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Can anyone tell me how much each of these guns can be brought for???
1) Beretta 9mm
2) Browning HI-PWR 9MM PST B FS
3) Glock 19 9MM PST 10RD AS
and also which of these would you have yourself?????
1) Beretta 9mm
2) Browning HI-PWR 9MM PST B FS
3) Glock 19 9MM PST 10RD AS
and also which of these would you have yourself?????
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click the link and find your guns lazy UB bastid!
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CASS said:
They are all equally good. Id go with a high cap glock or beretta...beretta looks bette Glocks more rugged, the browning high power is in between.
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Listen little man!
i have clicked the link, thank you for that i had been looking for a while. BUT i was looking for an answer to my second question. which gun do people prefer themselfs, or a little feedback on them.
that is all.
i have clicked the link, thank you for that i had been looking for a while. BUT i was looking for an answer to my second question. which gun do people prefer themselfs, or a little feedback on them.
that is all.
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p0ink said:
LOL i know p0ink but i still woundn't mind getting hold of one!
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anabolicmd said:
Thank you, thats all i was after.
CASS said:
- A Beretta 92FS inox goes for about 700$ usually
- Browning HP is around 500$
- Glock 19 can be bought for 650$ with night sights
Which one ?
For conceal carry ? The Glock 19, it's smallest one and very accurate. Also, 5.5lbs trigger.
For IPSC/IPDA competition shooting, the Browning HP.
But if I had to suggest you one handgun, it would be the Walther P99QA 9mm. Definitely the best overral I've ever tried.
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sucks a bit for CCW but yeah, a BHP will place your bullet exactly where you want it and without failure.
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I would go with teh Browning HP.....best handgun ever made IMO.
You can use it for everything and you won't break the bank buying one.
I own 2
sucks a bit for CCW but yeah, a BHP will place your bullet exactly where you want it and without failure.
oubeta said:I don't like them for self defence. I love the 92FS though. I'm a .45 fan til the end.
Here is a pic of my newest .45. It's a Kimber Elite Ultra CDP.
I got it for her to carry concealed. The kick is a little much, so I think we are going to get a .40.
.45ACP for a female ? humm not something I'd do. Get her a Sig P239 or Kahr MK40 in .40 caliber. Both small and single stack.
BTW is that your wife ?
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She handles the Kahr pretty well. I guess I'm going to have to break down and buy a die set for the .40. She shoots the .45 pretty good. I tamed down her reloads though. I'm partial the SW Airlite series for her. SHe really can't fuck that up, but she shoots this Kimber much better, just anticipates the recoil after 100rnds or so, which can be expected.
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Lol,,
She can operate it just fine thanks. I'll even go so far as to say that she can outshoot 95% of you guys on here. She has her CCW permit and has fired I'm guessing over 5k rounds with me.
I baught her a gun to protect her skinny ass. I hope she will never hav eto use it.
She can operate it just fine thanks. I'll even go so far as to say that she can outshoot 95% of you guys on here. She has her CCW permit and has fired I'm guessing over 5k rounds with me.
I baught her a gun to protect her skinny ass. I hope she will never hav eto use it.
I'm a .40cal Glock man myself. That is one gun that will still fire after being put through the worst conditions. We even tested mine out underwater and it still fired. Another good site is www.auctionarms.com. You should be able to find everything you could ever want in the way of fire power there.
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For various raeasons I wont go into it, but one ultimate gun is the Glock 20 with apre-ban 15 shot clip. The most powerful Glock, with 16 bullets. What's better? Nothing really.
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i want a glock! its so unfair i just want a gun, but i no matter how much money i have i can't get one! im so pissed off i just want one stinking gun thats all, not a nuclear missile just gun!
why cant i have one?
why cant i have one?
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I agree with P226/P229...
If you can get the 228 like I did then grab that one. Sig is the best there is. If you don't want a sig and want stupid simple I would get the glock.
If you can get the 228 like I did then grab that one. Sig is the best there is. If you don't want a sig and want stupid simple I would get the glock.
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why did the stop making the 228 anyway????
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HANSEL said:
I was about to bitchslap you but Manny got there first...
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HANSEL said:
Yet you still popped off. Typical.
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HANSEL said:
Dont worry I intend to!
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just joined Auction Arms and it states that you need an FFL for transfers? I didn't think that you needed an FFL for long gun transfers.
In PA you just hand it over and get paid. Was considering putting up the AR and AK.
In PA you just hand it over and get paid. Was considering putting up the AR and AK.
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Ar-15 pre-ban colt, 37mm under it. Colt scope and I think there is still a laser on it somewhere. Here is the wife with the pic that I posted somewhere before. There is no scope or laser in the pic. This is an old pic.
Want to hear about the local dick FFL. If he isn’t selling it and making money he wants no part of it. He did me a “favor” once and transferred a 44 to someone I knew for whatever the fee was.
One time (truth) he wanted to sell me a colt 25cal for $350 in shit condition. My neighbor has one and took it in to sell it to him (test). He told my neighbor that they are junk and he has one already that has been there for a month. He would give him $75 for it. I walked in later and he was telling me how someone was in that morning and wanted to buy it. That it’s a collectors item.. etc etc etc
He’s the only guy in town. The other areas have their FFLs in shops and they all act like they are Harvard Grads with their noses in the air. As soon as you walk in you get the attitude. These guys have about a handful of teeth in their mouths and the ones they have are green.
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Want to hear about the local dick FFL. If he isn’t selling it and making money he wants no part of it. He did me a “favor” once and transferred a 44 to someone I knew for whatever the fee was.
One time (truth) he wanted to sell me a colt 25cal for $350 in shit condition. My neighbor has one and took it in to sell it to him (test). He told my neighbor that they are junk and he has one already that has been there for a month. He would give him $75 for it. I walked in later and he was telling me how someone was in that morning and wanted to buy it. That it’s a collectors item.. etc etc etc
He’s the only guy in town. The other areas have their FFLs in shops and they all act like they are Harvard Grads with their noses in the air. As soon as you walk in you get the attitude. These guys have about a handful of teeth in their mouths and the ones they have are green.
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I remember the pic. There is a website with a list of FFl in you area somewhere. It might be on teh NRA's website. You just enter your zip and their name and number pops up. I fould several in my area that were willing to transfer for $5-15 dollars. I just claaed them up at their house and they said come on by.
I have a few colt pre-bans. I'm looking for a cheaper used bushy for my buddy for his birthday.
If you want to sell it go to ar-15.com
I have a few colt pre-bans. I'm looking for a cheaper used bushy for my buddy for his birthday.
If you want to sell it go to ar-15.com
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Do you think this is America? I though so too. The libs have too much control and the media would crucify the person who lifted it.
Writing your congressman will only give you strong fingers.
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[email][email protected][/email] said:
have some faith.
the senate may vote to extend it, but there is no way the 'militant right' in the house will let it go through.
tom delay already said he isnt even going to give the extension a hearing, let alone allow it come for a vote.
this doesnt mean we can get lazy, though. there are still a lot of letters to write to our representatives and to tom delay to tell them to let this unconstitutional legislation sunset.
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check this link out. some of this stuff will really get you pissed, but it will also help remind you who to vote for.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911200/posts
if it does expire, you can bet your ass im going to be stocking up before the democrats try more of this unconstitutional bullshit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911200/posts
if it does expire, you can bet your ass im going to be stocking up before the democrats try more of this unconstitutional bullshit.
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this is just one example of the new changes the democrats are going for if the AWB ban doesn't sunset:
"(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.
that means they can add ANY firearm to their arsenal, thus making it illegal for citizens to own them.
"(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.
that means they can add ANY firearm to their arsenal, thus making it illegal for citizens to own them.
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I smell something... It's 1930's... It's Germany! Smells like Nazi's!
1st Ban assault weapons
2nd ban whatever else comes to mind
3rd ban everything
4th Dictator!
5th what are you going to fight them with? Butter knives?
Remeber that the government never lied to us about their intent. Like the Social Security number would never be used to identify a person.
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To oubeta
Ever look into an FFL for yourself. I was thinking about it. If I do, I have to stay clean and legit all over.
Ever look into an FFL for yourself. I was thinking about it. If I do, I have to stay clean and legit all over.
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this is why you need guns...
Ottoman Turkey
*Dates: 1915-1917
*Targets: Armenians: (mostly Christians)
*Civilians Killed: 1-1.5 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866 & 1911 Proclamation, 1915
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: • Permits required •Government list of owners •Ban on possession
Soviet Union
*Dates: 1929-1945
*Targets: Political opponents; farming communities
*Civilians Killed: 20 million
*Gun Control Laws: 1918 Decree, July 12, 1920 Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession •Severe penalties
Nazi Germany and occupied Europe
*Dates: 1933-1945
*Targets: Political opponents; Jews; Gypsies; critics; "examples"
*Civilians Killed: 20 million
*Gun Control Laws: Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928 Weapon Law, March 18, 1938Regulations against Jews, 1938
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Registration & Licensing •Stricter handgun laws •Ban on possession
China, Nationalist
*Dates: 1927-1949
*Targets: Political opponents; army conscripts; others
*Civilians Killed: 10 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914 Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Government permit system •Ban on private ownership
China, Red
*Dates: 1949-1952, 1957-1960, 1966-1976
*Targets: Political opponents; Rural populations, Enemies of the state
*Civilians Killed: 20-35 million
*Gun Control Laws: Act of Feb. 20, 1951, Act of Oct. 22, 1957
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program •Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
Guatemala
*Dates: 1960-1981
*Targets: Mayans & other Indians; political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 100,000-200,000
*Gun Control Laws: Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932 Decree 386, 1947 Decree 283, 1964
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees •Prohibit carrying guns •Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers
Uganda
*Dates: 1971-1979
*Targets: Christians, Political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 300,000
*Gun Control Laws: Firearms Ordinance, 1955 Firearms Act, 1970
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions •Warrentless searches •Confiscation powers
Cambodia (Khmer Rouge)
*Dates: 1975-1979
*Targets: Educated Persons; Political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 2 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 322-328, Penal Code Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions •Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly
Rwanda
*Dates: 1994
*Targets: Tutsi people
*Civilians Killed: 800,000
*Gun Control Laws: Decree-Law No. 12, 1979
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
Ottoman Turkey
*Dates: 1915-1917
*Targets: Armenians: (mostly Christians)
*Civilians Killed: 1-1.5 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866 & 1911 Proclamation, 1915
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: • Permits required •Government list of owners •Ban on possession
Soviet Union
*Dates: 1929-1945
*Targets: Political opponents; farming communities
*Civilians Killed: 20 million
*Gun Control Laws: 1918 Decree, July 12, 1920 Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession •Severe penalties
Nazi Germany and occupied Europe
*Dates: 1933-1945
*Targets: Political opponents; Jews; Gypsies; critics; "examples"
*Civilians Killed: 20 million
*Gun Control Laws: Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928 Weapon Law, March 18, 1938Regulations against Jews, 1938
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Registration & Licensing •Stricter handgun laws •Ban on possession
China, Nationalist
*Dates: 1927-1949
*Targets: Political opponents; army conscripts; others
*Civilians Killed: 10 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914 Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Government permit system •Ban on private ownership
China, Red
*Dates: 1949-1952, 1957-1960, 1966-1976
*Targets: Political opponents; Rural populations, Enemies of the state
*Civilians Killed: 20-35 million
*Gun Control Laws: Act of Feb. 20, 1951, Act of Oct. 22, 1957
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program •Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
Guatemala
*Dates: 1960-1981
*Targets: Mayans & other Indians; political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 100,000-200,000
*Gun Control Laws: Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932 Decree 386, 1947 Decree 283, 1964
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees •Prohibit carrying guns •Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers
Uganda
*Dates: 1971-1979
*Targets: Christians, Political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 300,000
*Gun Control Laws: Firearms Ordinance, 1955 Firearms Act, 1970
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions •Warrentless searches •Confiscation powers
Cambodia (Khmer Rouge)
*Dates: 1975-1979
*Targets: Educated Persons; Political enemies
*Civilians Killed: 2 million
*Gun Control Laws: Art. 322-328, Penal Code Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions •Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly
Rwanda
*Dates: 1994
*Targets: Tutsi people
*Civilians Killed: 800,000
*Gun Control Laws: Decree-Law No. 12, 1979
*Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme: •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
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That is such crap! Gun laws in Canada are pretty tight, and we haven't started butchering our population.
Most european countries have a complete ban on firearms and they don't buther their populations either.
What about countries like Rwanda or Somalia where they massacre whole ethnic groups with machete's? Does that mean that they would have killed more people if machete's had been outlawed?
I'm an avid hunter and gun owner and I agree with most laws that are coming out pertaining to firearms. The assholes out there killing people aren't going to care if there is a law or not....their still going to kill. Guns just make that task a lot easier, unfortunately.
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That is such crap! Gun laws in Canada are pretty tight, and we haven't started butchering our population.
Most european countries have a complete ban on firearms and they don't buther their populations either.
What about countries like Rwanda or Somalia where they massacre whole ethnic groups with machete's? Does that mean that they would have killed more people if machete's had been outlawed?
I'm an avid hunter and gun owner and I agree with most laws that are coming out pertaining to firearms. The assholes out there killing people aren't going to care if there is a law or not....their still going to kill. Guns just make that task a lot easier, unfortunately.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: this is why you need guns...
1. i know this is far fetched, but what if it were to happen? im sure all of these other countries didnt forsee it happening to them, but it did.
2. thank you for bringing this up. look at the crime rate in the UK! it has skyrocketed since they introduced their ridiculous gun laws. check out just some of the info here: http://www.ssaa.org.au/euro.html
3. maybe if more of the citizens were armed this wouldnt be happening. could you picture ethnic slaughters happening here? hell no. look at how well tough guns laws in Washington DC worked:
"WASHINGTON DC 100% gun-banned for years:
301 Handgun Murders - 340,000 population
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17 LEGAL CONCEALED CARRY STATES (combined)
300 Handgun Murders - 23,000,000 pop. (totals combined)
- CLINTON/RENO/FREEH 1999 FBI-DOJ UNIFORM CRIME REPORT"
4. if you agree criminals will kill with guns no matter the law, why do you want to ban them for all LAW ABIDING citizens. since the AWB here, gun violence has just shot up. there is no coincidence.
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1. i know this is far fetched, but what if it were to happen? im sure all of these other countries didnt forsee it happening to them, but it did.
2. thank you for bringing this up. look at the crime rate in the UK! it has skyrocketed since they introduced their ridiculous gun laws. check out just some of the info here: http://www.ssaa.org.au/euro.html
3. maybe if more of the citizens were armed this wouldnt be happening. could you picture ethnic slaughters happening here? hell no. look at how well tough guns laws in Washington DC worked:
"WASHINGTON DC 100% gun-banned for years:
301 Handgun Murders - 340,000 population
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17 LEGAL CONCEALED CARRY STATES (combined)
300 Handgun Murders - 23,000,000 pop. (totals combined)
- CLINTON/RENO/FREEH 1999 FBI-DOJ UNIFORM CRIME REPORT"
4. if you agree criminals will kill with guns no matter the law, why do you want to ban them for all LAW ABIDING citizens. since the AWB here, gun violence has just shot up. there is no coincidence.
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Dude, the fact remains that the US has one of, if not the, most liberal gun laws in the WORLD! The US ALSO has the HIGHEST rate of deaths caused by firearms IN THE WORLD.
The US is one of the few places where you can buy an m16, fully auto through either a kit or stock, get a case of rounds and be out shooting people all in the same day.
They were about to sell me a fully auto AK in Montana a few summers ago and I'm not even american!
I have a difficult time grasping the concept that gun laws PROMOTE violence....it just doesn't make sense. All of the examples that you have given a many, many external and internal variables that contributed to the terrible deeds commited. IT is just too easy to blame it on gun laws.
You've been readin WAY to many NRA propaganda pamphlets and seminars
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Dude, the fact remains that the US has one of, if not the, most liberal gun laws in the WORLD! The US ALSO has the HIGHEST rate of deaths caused by firearms IN THE WORLD.
The US is one of the few places where you can buy an m16, fully auto through either a kit or stock, get a case of rounds and be out shooting people all in the same day.
They were about to sell me a fully auto AK in Montana a few summers ago and I'm not even american!
I have a difficult time grasping the concept that gun laws PROMOTE violence....it just doesn't make sense. All of the examples that you have given a many, many external and internal variables that contributed to the terrible deeds commited. IT is just too easy to blame it on gun laws.
You've been readin WAY to many NRA propaganda pamphlets and seminars
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Not without a class III you weren't. That requires a full ATF check and your $500 yearly fee. Plus a heafty tax on the gun itself. If you were able to get one then that would be a major felony. Even him handing it to you in the store would count as posession.
Also, Glock 17 is about $500 new.
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The USA has the highest death rate with firearms, I agree. We also have the highest death rate with car accidents. See the point? Why not ban guns and cars since they both kill. Because one sounds ridiculous? Well, my weapons like my car are cared for and protected. I handle them both with the respect they deserve. I actually take better care of my guns!
Do gun law promote violence? Not directly, but they can set the stage for problems later that are so far down that road that the relationship can no longer be seen.
If someone can flip a magic switch and POOF no one had guns. Not the military, criminals, or anyone on the planet then I would say, “Take them”. But to pass gun laws that law-abiding citizens will obey and criminals will not puts the public at a greater risk of being sheep to be slaughtered. It would really suck if the day comes that the nation will have to defend itself by throwing stones at tanks.
For the Democrats that are ANTI GUN. How many of them are guarded by people with guns. How many of them own their own guns for personal protection. They are hypocritical assholes.
How will an AR-15 assault weapon kill you faster then a 30-30? I really don’t think the pulling of the bolt is really that difficult if you are determined to cause damage.
If you are that determined you can also load a truck full of ammonium nitrate and blow a building off the map. Democrats should also ban fertilizer!
Do gun law promote violence? Not directly, but they can set the stage for problems later that are so far down that road that the relationship can no longer be seen.
If someone can flip a magic switch and POOF no one had guns. Not the military, criminals, or anyone on the planet then I would say, “Take them”. But to pass gun laws that law-abiding citizens will obey and criminals will not puts the public at a greater risk of being sheep to be slaughtered. It would really suck if the day comes that the nation will have to defend itself by throwing stones at tanks.
For the Democrats that are ANTI GUN. How many of them are guarded by people with guns. How many of them own their own guns for personal protection. They are hypocritical assholes.
How will an AR-15 assault weapon kill you faster then a 30-30? I really don’t think the pulling of the bolt is really that difficult if you are determined to cause damage.
If you are that determined you can also load a truck full of ammonium nitrate and blow a building off the map. Democrats should also ban fertilizer!
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No word of a lie...I was just outside of Bozeman at this gun shop and the guy was pushing an AK on me. Sketchiest place i had ever been....the guy looked like a nut.
If you can find me a new Glock 17 for 500 dollars CANADIAN, I will eat my own nipple. Sorry dude, a new glock 17 is $950 bucks for a basic model...
http://www.shooterschoice.com/glock/Glock.htm
They are much cheaper in the States....not sure why, but that's how the cookie crumbles
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Sorry, didn't note the Canada flag!
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Don't get me wrong, my friend, I am very pro gun. I just don't see a problem with restricting certain types of firearms and forcing people to be licensed and trained to use them. In Canada, you now have to pass a universal safety course on how to handle, use, and store firearms before you can purchase ammunition or firearms. I agree with this. Why would someone need to own something that they don't know how to use or store?
What do you really need an automatic weapon for? Hunting deer? Do the deer shoot back in the US or something? You're right when you say a 30-06 will kill you just as easily as a minimi machine gun or an m60, but the 30-06 hunting rifle isn't designed for the SPECIFIC purpose of killing people, it's a tool designed to kill game. Not a tool designed to mow the game down with lethal efficiency.
Where do you draw the line? Should we allow people to own ALL automatic weapons? Sure, let's allow Billy the Farmer to own an electric, belt-fed, 20 mm chain gun so he can mount if on his pick-up truck and jacklight deer and airplanes with. Sound like fun?
Automatic weapons have a limited purpose and I don't believe anyone could argue otherwise.
BTW, being on a range with automatic weapons is VERY VERY boring. Once you've shot one belt of .50 cal, it's all downhill after that. Just become monotonous....not much skill involved there.
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