How long does it take for Proviron to kick in?

[SOLID]

I started 2 days ago. First day 25mg- felt nothing. Second day 50mg- felt nothing. Today I will take 50mg again. I want to bring my libido up, how long does it take to kick in?

 

[Enock]

Did you use Fina or just off a cycle?

I'm wondering if the high levels of progratine(SP?) makes it take higher levels of proviron to take effect

 

[icelandic]

I don't think proviron has any effect on prolactin levels. For me 50mg taken in the morning makes me horny as a dog. I wouldn't use it as part of post-cycle regimen. It shuts some people down hard and people who are prone to dht sides probably would be better off skipping it.

 

[Mad Max]

Why should people who are prone to dht stay away from proviron??Just wondering cause I was thinking of using some for my libido but my hair is thinning as it is.
---PEACE---Mad Max

 

[MrRTTB]

took me 5 days with 25mg.. just wait and you/the dude down there, will be very happy(maybe your girlfriend too..)

 

[drveejay11]

Solid----great to see you back

Icelandic: Proviron does not shut you down!

Alfons: proviron is an androgen so......if test typically thins your hair ior causes it to fall out, then Proviron "may" as well! At 25 mg---probably not!

Solid: 50mg/day (split doses)----you should notice relatively quick (3-5 days)

 

[MrRTTB]

Alfons: If test typically thins your hair ior causes it to fall out, then Proviron "may" as well! At 25 mg---probably not!

What?

 

[drveejay11]

What?

Oops-----that response was supposed to be directed at Mad Max

 

[Mad Max]

I think drvejay was resonding to my question on proviron and hairloss.
---PEACE---Mad Max

 

[sauerbrauten]

try 100-125 mg for a day and then go back down. Should get into your system faster.

 

[drveejay11]

try 100-125 mg for a day and then go back down. Should get into your system faster.

Proviron increases libido BUT it can also have a paradoxial effect! Meaning that at high doses, it can/will cause painful erections.

 

[SOLID]

Solid----great to see you back

Icelandic: Proviron does not shut you down!

Alfons: proviron is an androgen so......if test typically thins your hair ior causes it to fall out, then Proviron "may" as well! At 25 mg---probably not!

Solid: 50mg/day (split doses)----you should notice relatively quick (3-5 days)

thanks bro. Hope it kicks in today, think I should stay with 50mg or just pop 25mg ED?

 

[sauerbrauten]

True that about watching th edosages but some need more than others i personaly once went to 8 pills= 200 mg but do not recomend this. Just saying

 

[SOLID]

Well the shit didn't kick in today either. 50mg. I'm starting to worry that I have a larger problem that's causing loss of libido. Should I up dosage till I start sporting uncontrolable chubby's?

 

[sauerbrauten]

Try 100 mg for a few days.. dont wory you wont have any uncontrolable chubys....lol... See how u feel at 100 mg then go down if you need. personaly i dont feel shit at 25 or even 50 i need at least 75 to 100

 

[Triple J]

You may want to consider something that hits your dopamine receptors as well like B6, macca, bromo, or deprenyl

Is you problem lack of desire or just no wood

 

[SOLID]

lack of desire. This has been going on for some time now, before I started to use gear...so I don't believe juice to be the problem. Even on gear 500mg of Test my drive really isn't there. I haven't felt horny like back in high school in years...I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me, but it's really starting to scare me. What kind of life is this?

 

[Triple J]

I say give the proviron a little time but also consider supplementing along the lines of the neurotransmitter suggestions I mentioned ...

 

[hitmeoff]

Dont all AAS shut you down to a degree?

Since provirion serves alot of the same functions as Test does at normal levels, it would make sense that Provirion can shut you down (much like HCG would shut down nat LH production)

 

[thate]

Have you tried high doses of yohimbine hcl?

 

[daveyboy]

Solid....

I totally agree with Polfa. I didn't feel shit on 50mg either but once I upped it to 100mg I was wanting to bang the wife on a daily basis. I was horny all day long. The stuff worked great once I bumped up the dosage & it only seemed to take a few days to feel it. I loved it but it was just too damn expensive to stay on it for more than a month or so.

 

[SOLID]

good advice guys. I'm going to try upping the mg for a couple days. I have also been taking Maca. I poped some Bromo today too. Yohimbine HCL huh? What kind of dosages are we taking about?

 

[SOLID]

^

 

[SOLID]

end of day 4 at 100mg...still nada.

 

[drveejay11]

No shit?????? WTF??? Maybe you're like Polfa and you "need" a little more than others do. Hell, up the doses bro. Maybe give the 150 mg/day a try. I know it contradicts what I said earlier but maybe you just "need" a litle extra. A good thing to know: Proviron is relatively safe( very mildly toxic) the liver in case you were worried.

 

[drveejay11]

 

[SOLID]

Drveejay11.... It's really startin to set in I may have some serious problems. Have you ever givin that Yohimbine HCL a try?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Solid; it sounds like you need more than a temporary fix. 500mgs of test along with nothing else doesn't give you a normal libido? (Forget how you felt in HS, those days are gone forever).

Get a blood test bro. Problem could be with you SHBG -- in which case the proviron would help, but only temporarily.

Worse comes to worse, you might need lifelong replacement therapy. You may think you're too young but thus is the price of high dosage cycles over time.

And lastly, don't worry! It's like trying to force Mr. Johnson to stand at attention. The more you concentrate on it, the worse it gets. Relax, and let time take its course.

 

[drveejay11]

Have you ever givin that Yohimbine HCL a try?

No.....I think you should hang on for about a week. If you experience NOTHING after 1-1.5 weerks of Proviron (150- mg/day).....maybe you should get some tests run bro. All these "quick fixes" are perhaps impeding you from truly addressing the REAL underlying prob.

Sorry for the bad news bro........

 

[SOLID]

Solid; it sounds like you need more than a temporary fix. 500mgs of test along with nothing else doesn't give you a normal libido? (Forget how you felt in HS, those days are gone forever).

Get a blood test bro. Problem could be with you SHBG -- in which case the proviron would help, but only temporarily.

Worse comes to worse, you might need lifelong replacement therapy. You may think you're too young but thus is the price of high dosage cycles over time.

And lastly, don't worry! It's like trying to force Mr. Johnson to stand at attention. The more you concentrate on it, the worse it gets. Relax, and let time take its course.

Nelson, actually about 6 months ago I went in to get test taken and my test levels came back real low. I told him about the problem I was having with libido, so he put me on HRT to see if it helped, and I can't really say that it did. I'm only 24 years old WTF?!?! Those days of how I felt in HS are over? - that is the sadest thing I have ever heard. I don't want to be on HRT...

 

[FreakMonster]

Bro,
Give is at least a week. If you don't get anything after a week and a half you may want to shoot up some HCG to get your nuts running again.

 

[drveejay11]

Solid..maybe this will help?

 

[Triple J]

Solid you may want to recap your history for those of us trying to help. If you were on HRT, did you quit? OR did you not do it?

At any rate maybe the usual course of post cycle HCG / clomid / nolva/ ldex etc. makes sense to get you up and running right.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Solid: For a doc to recommend HRT to a 24 year old, you must be REALLY low. I don't thnk anyone here is qualified to offer a quixk fix. It sounds like you need extensive tests. In the meantime I'll throw these thoughts out to you.

At your age you should bounce back. But it may take months. That means no gear. Nothing. No HCG. No "a little var." NOTHING! You must normalize.

DO NOT TAKE CLOMID. It may lower estrogen too far and make the libdo problems worse.

Maca, epimedium, avena sative, muara puama nettle,and trib may help. But don't expect miricle.

Do not take pro-hormones. Trust me on this.

Get viagra and have sex. The longer you go without it, the more libido can be repressed.

Realize what so many people do not. STEROIDS ARE NOT BENGINE SUBSTANCES! Everyone reacts differently to them. Sucks being a casuality, doesn't it? All the advice from "gurus" doesn't mean shit now.

Everyone reacts to HRT at some level. My guess is you have a lot of SHBG (for which the herbs will help). Worry, stress,low fat diets, lack of sleep, lack of sunlight, and alcohol use can also play havoc of T levels and libido.

Hope this helps.

 

[CYPRIOSQUATS]

Is privoron a controlled substance. my local source doesn't carry it.

 

[hitmeoff]

Yes, Provirion is Controlled, just like any other AAS.

 

[SOLID]

thanks for the responses guys. Well I was on HRT for about 6 months to answer someone's question...then I decided to run a cycle and quit it. My cycle included T-prop for only 2 weeks however- quit do to side effects. Then I just ran some Anavar and Winny. My nuts were atrophied so I did HCG for 2 weeks, then waited a few days and ran a full Clomid therapy cycle. Thanks to a good guy I got some Proviron that I'm using to see if it helps. Today I'm upping it to 150mg to see if that may do the trick, but yes Nelson I see what you mean, I really need to find the underlying problem and not try to fix it temporarely with Proviron. However, my thinking is that if the Proviron doesn't work, then it may be a psychological problem. I get get an erection, I wake up sometimes with woods, but I don't have that drive for sex at all. I don't even look at girls the same anymore (like highschool) it's a sad thing, I feel for anyone else going through the same delema. I'm not going to do another cycle till I get this figured out. I'm going to make an appointment with an endocrinologist once I finish what Proviron I have left. Thanks again everyone.

 

[FreakMonster]

. I don't even look at girls the same anymore (like highschool) it's a sad thing

Oh shit!!! Your turning gay on us now!!!





LOL J/k

 

[thate]

good advice guys. I'm going to try upping the mg for a couple days. I have also been taking Maca. I poped some Bromo today too. Yohimbine HCL huh? What kind of dosages are we taking about?

The yohimbe in NYC stack works just fine for me, about 4 of them . Johnboy knows how to get pure pharmaceutical grade yohimbe hcl, might want to email him.

 

[drveejay11]

Johnboy knows how to get pure pharmaceutical grade yohimbe hcl, might want to email him.

Good point/idea! He told me that this yohimbine was the shit and the stuff you can buy "anywhere" sucks in comparison! Maybe give it a whirl?!

 

[icelandic]

Icelandic: Proviron does not shut you down!

That is a very general statement, I myself did notice atrophy after only about 3 weeks @ 50mg/morning. Just as with any drug, everyone else's milage may vary. There are some studies which compared its antidepressive effects to an that of an ssri. When taken throughout the day in intervals it did indeed decrease natural test. All I was trying to say was it certainly won't help your hpta recover post-cycle, regardless of its libido supercharging effects.

If a blood test proves that SHBG is a problem, you might want to look into DIM, which is reputed by several HRT experts to improve the hormonal profile of both men and women.

 

[SOLID]

still nothing been taking 150mg ED. I'm doomed...or maybe it's a sign from God I should join the Priesthood or become a Monk

 

[Spartacus]

does Proviron partially shut you down or not?

 

[Riker29]

lack of desire. This has been going on for some time now, before I started to use gear...so I don't believe juice to be the problem. Even on gear 500mg of Test my drive really isn't there. I haven't felt horny like back in high school in years...I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me, but it's really starting to scare me. What kind of life is this?

It may be overtraining.

I am sorry, but most of the "routnes" that are tossed around for people are WRONG, and I have learned this from personal experience in the past year. Working out like 4 days a week (or more), going to failure and doing maybe 12 sets (or more) per bodypart will overtraing MANY MANY people unless they are ON something, or unless they are genetic freaks.

And we wonder why so many guy complain of problems like low sex drive, sleep difficulties, depression, etc.

You may want to read up on some different training philosophies in stuff like Braun and some of Metzger's stuff as well.

It may not be this issue, but overtraining WILL have these types of effects.

 

[catharsis]

This may not be related to your T levels or at all.........

I finished a relatively mild Summer stack: (Test/Deca/Winny/Liquidex/Bromo) around the last week of July. Did a very meticulous post cycle regimine: modified "gainskeeper formula", which lasted in entirety about 2 months (all of August and Sept) HCG,Liquidex,Clomid,Proviron,Bromo, and still had the EXACT symptoms you described. I got my nuts back up to par, only lost about 5 pounds post cycle, and never went though a post cycle depression. This was by far the best post-cycle regimine I'd ever done...... But..... I NEVER could get my libido back to normal.


Well I finally went to the Doc and described my symptoms. He suggested I have my T-levels tested which to my surprise came back within normal range (around 497). He then suggested it may not be my hormone levels that are causing my symptoms but instead be a neurotransmitter "thing". I was prescribed Wellbutrin (a Dopamine and norepi. reuptake inhibitor) and here we are about a month and a half later and I am feeling 100% better and about 90% where I think I should be. I estimate I'll be 100% in the libido department in about another 2-4 weeks.

Well bro, hope this helps out.....

 

[40butpumpin]

Good to see you back, SOLID.

 

[SOLID]

all good replies guys thanks. I think I'm going to get my T-levels checked again- get a blood panel done...and see where I'm at. My doctor had mentiones Wellbutrin before, it is not supposed to supress libido like other SRI's like Zoloft. I may give that a try. Have you noticed any side effects from taking Wellbutrin catharsis?

40 but pumpin...thanks bro I have not been on the computer much at all these days.

 

[catharsis]

Not only does Wellbutrin NOT suppress libido, it is actually known to increase it considerably.


Wellbutrin works on different neurotransmitters than does Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Celexa, etc. Those antidepressants work off of Seretonin where as Wellbutrin works off Dopamine and Norepinehrine. If your a little familiar with the differences between Seretonin and Dopamine/Norepi, you'll know that Dopamine/norepi is the main neurotransmitters involved in libido/desire and are involved in many other "excititory" physiologic mechanisms. Seretonin on the other hand is the antithesis of Dopamine and norepi. it has often been called the "rest and digest" neurotransmitter and is most noted for it's calming and relaxing effect, and unfortunately, if your "TOO" relaxed you can often become an absolutely emotionless zombie and have no libido whatsoever.


Wellburin is often "stacked" with Seretonin re-uptake inhibitors to counteract the sides associated with seretonin. It can howerver be taken on its own with no problem.Go ahead and get that blood workup done but you might want to mention this alternative method of Libido enhancement to your physician if he hasn't already mentoined. it



As far as sides, like any medication side effects will be different for each individual. I've actually known many people who absolutely hate Wellbutrin but I also know many more who swear by it. The most common sides I am aware of are increases BP and heartrate, jitteriness, euphoria, and a "speed like" feeling. Seizures have been noted in some patients but uncommon and also head aches and nausea are mentioned as well. The minor sides have been known to fade over a couple of weeks and can be controlled by experimenting with the proper dosage.

 

[jogan]

Icelandic: Proviron does not shut you down!

Ok, there are studies which indicates that even long term treatmendt with proviron does not shut you down.


But I think it contraproductive to take it post cycle, because there is a high binding affinity from Proviron not to the AR, but to the SHGB.
So post cycle your body starts to produce own test, the proviron replace it from the SHGB, and the own test is metabolized by the liver. The hpta is shut down for a longer time.

So Solid, at the moment I would stay away from Proiron.

Wish you luck

 

[robbysixx]

all good replies guys thanks. I think I'm going to get my T-levels checked again- get a blood panel done...and see where I'm at. My doctor had mentiones Wellbutrin before, it is not supposed to supress libido like other SRI's like Zoloft. I may give that a try. Have you noticed any side effects from taking Wellbutrin catharsis?

40 but pumpin...thanks bro I have not been on the computer much at all these days.

hey bro howd you go , you figure out the problem?

 

[Killler]

hey bro howd you go , you figure out the problem?

Good thread. I was wondering if the guy solved his lack of desire maybe. I have the same problem and it is not hormonal. I am on 50 mg Proviron *Genesis labs Mesviron 25* fo 4 days now and I dont feel anything particular. I am taking only Proviron.