How in the hell did old school bb'ers......

[drveejay11]

look so great off of such relatively LOW doses of gear (compared to today)???? Genetics? Hmmmm. Maybe they never came off???

I always read how the old-schoolers would run cycles like 200 mg deca.........20 mg d-bol.............OR.....like 400 mgs of Test.

There probably aren't many NOVICE bb'ers on these boards that take these low of doses!!!

What's the deal?!!?!?!? Am I missing something here?

 

[Mandinka2]

look so great off of such relatively LOW doses of gear (compared to today)???? Genetics? Hmmmm. Maybe they never came off???

I always read how the old-schoolers would run cycles like 200 mg deca.........20 mg d-bol.............OR.....like 400 mgs of Test.

There probably aren't many NOVICE bb'ers on these boards that take these low of doses!!!

What's the deal?!!?!?!? Am I missing something here?

Yes - the truth.

 

[drveejay11]

Re: Re: How in the hell did old school bb'ers......

Yes - the truth.

I certainly wonder..........

 

[jcp2]

Re: Re: How in the hell did old school bb'ers......

Yes - the truth.

Granted arnold looked huge and probably took more than they say, he was only 6'2 238 in his best shape, and he was void of water and at a the same level of low bodyfat guys are today, so take a few more off to get in that conditiion, and he is light as shit, compared to guys doing local shows. I don't think the superior guys need that much gear to get big. Now to look like a pro today, that is a different story.

 

[Mandinka2]

Re: Re: Re: How in the hell did old school bb'ers......

I certainly wonder..........

Take the fact that the old guys hardly ever went off , read a bit from Arnold's old unauthorised biography , then add that to some of the articles on what powerlifters used to use and you see that while they didnt inject so much as today (or at least as frequently with possible exception of Winny) , they sure as fuck chucked down the 17-aas in alarming quantities.

 

[gopanthers]

Plus, gear was a lot more potent back then as well.

 

[PCxPete]

plus i would have thought that the fact that now the focus is largly on sheer mass, there was still a large element of style back then, hence why arnolds legs where rather small, because it fitted his body look.

 

[SofaGeorge]

There is a LOT of misinformation here. I was lifting in the '70s... I was at Gold's Venice in the '80s and '90s... and very truthfully people were using MUCH less then.

200mg deca was the standard dose in the '70s. A few people that I heard of bumped it up to 400mg and they were considered crazy. 15mg d-bol was THE dose back then.

Why did people get such great results... probably because low dose cycles give you 95-98% of the permanent gains obtained with high dose cycles. (I personally believe that the more test you take the more you increase your SHBG and decrease the effectiveness of the test. What's the point of taking 2 grams if you only get the benefit of 300mg?)

 

[Nelson Montana]

A few reasons:

First of all, the accusation that they never went off is dead wrong. In the off season Arnold wasn't all that amazing. Zane blew him away.It was Arnold's incredable ability to transform himself that was a part of his greatness.

But the main reasons are this:

There was a genetic elite, just as there is today, but there were a lot less people doing it. If Ronnie Coleman was 30 years old in 1969 and did 200 mgs of deca and 25 mgs of d-bol. he's look comparable to the champs of the day.

Also, it doesn't tke a ton of gear to look good. But we've become so acuatomed to the dosages that pros use in oder to hover around 300 pounds that the higher dosages aren't as shocking. But nobody here is a pro and using anywhere close to that much gear is as pointless as using a $100,000.00 set of clubs to play miniature golf.

And finally, the old timers simply knew more about bodybuilding. Yeah, I know, we'd like to think we know so much more but the truth is today, we have a lot more WRONG information. Back then, those guys got into it for health purposes. The built solid foundations. They experimented with different concepts and techniques. Their approach was artistic and analytical. Bodybuilding was a cult activity and the guys involved felt thay had something to prove in terms of the benefits. Today, more people are into it because it's a fasionable trend.

These days, somebody joins a gym, hooks up a source, trains like shit, does more gear, then goes on a message board and gripes that he isn't growing.

Even the pros are guys who just have great genetics and respond well to the sauce. But look at them. It's like they came off an assembly line. That much juice distorts your natural lines. Arnold, Scott, Zane, Oliva, Reeves, Draper...their bodies had personalities. Today, I honestly can't tell one from the other. With a few exeptions, they all have huge asses and disended guts.

Even if somebody looked as good as Arnold or Zane today , it simply wouldnt be as impressive as it was 30 years ago because we've seen too many people so much bigger.

And that, is the diffrence between then and now. And there's no going back.

 

[lateralthinker]

I think one of the reasons why dosages were lower back then is that bb'ers didn't solely rely on gear like so many do now. Nowaday's everyone wants to get huge but they don't have the balls to work hard before they start gear. They haven't built a solid base and then they expect to keep all the gains they've made on a cycle.