chuck walks around at 230+, same with Forrest...he's pushing 250 I understand. Basically these are HW's that realize that if they brutally cut weight, they can dominate the more natural 205'ers. But look at Randy, he's gotten "Better" now that he's gone up to 225-230. Dude still has his ridiculous cardio but now he's retaining his natural strength. I thought Gonzaga was going to bull him.......didn't happen, Randy was equal to him in strength.