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How dependent are you on stimulants?

calveless wonder

calveless wonder

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i think i'm gonna try to stay off the stims....caffeine included.

im prescribed adderall which i dont take all the time because i crash so bad from it and after taking it for awhile i just feel worse and worse (more irritable, less effective, and crash harder if i stop taking it)

Before that or when im not taking it, i take caffeine religiously either through Monster or ECA....

i figure i give it a shot cold turkey (except for the small amount of caffeine in the occasional diet soda)

who here is religious about their stim use?

Whether caffeine, amphetamine, yohimbine/other thermogenic/amp02

The idea of constantly having to increase the dose and burning our your receptors is not fun. I feel great when i first start taking them...more focused, euphoric, energetic but then I continiously feel crappier as time goes on. the crash is unbearable, i can't get anything done
 
You either get a grip on it when you're younger or you'll be potentially dealing with some weird health issues as you get older. You can't burn the candle at both ends indefinitely. Damaging your endocrine system is a miserable thing to live with. Screwed up adrenals affect everything, from sleeping to sex drive to appetite and food metabolism.
 
i used to drink a diet rockstar everyday, and it got to the point where i pretty much couldn't do anything productive until i drank one. I gave it up because enough people convinced me it was bad for my heart. Also i realized how much money i was wasting. It was total suck stopping, but now i feel fine and have maybe a diet coke once every 2-3 days.

Never taken adderall for any consistent duration. good luck with quittin that lol
 
Adderall is some nasty shit i never could understand how people like that shit fuckin legal crank is all it is
 
shrimp poboy said:
Adderall is some nasty shit i never could understand how people like that shit fuckin legal crank is all it is
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My son has ADHD. I tried everything, diet, exercise, behavior mod, to avoid putting him on meds, but ended up having to do it, he was a wreck at school (my fucked up marriage didn't help things), anyway, he was on Ritalin then eventually Dexies. Doc switched him to Adderall in high school to try to eliminate the side effects and in one or two doses the kid's personality flipped and he started getting rages. I flushed that shit.
 
Not hooked on any stimulants, don't even drink coffee and stay clear of soda... but I am pretty boring :p Did take Dren fior like a month to go to the gym, now find it hard to work out without it :worried: but am working my way back up...

nimbus said:
did you know they put cola leaves in red bull cola? sneaky sons of bitches
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Do you mean Coca leaves?
 
calveless wonder said:
i think i'm gonna try to stay off the stims....caffeine included.

im prescribed adderall which i dont take all the time because i crash so bad from it and after taking it for awhile i just feel worse and worse (more irritable, less effective, and crash harder if i stop taking it)

Before that or when im not taking it, i take caffeine religiously either through Monster or ECA....

i figure i give it a shot cold turkey (except for the small amount of caffeine in the occasional diet soda)

who here is religious about their stim use?

Whether caffeine, amphetamine, yohimbine/other thermogenic/amp02

The idea of constantly having to increase the dose and burning our your receptors is not fun. I feel great when i first start taking them...more focused, euphoric, energetic but then I continiously feel crappier as time goes on. the crash is unbearable, i can't get anything done
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burning out receptors?

iv been taking ECA pre lift for the past month
 
the only time i took stims were in college, took adderall many times (unprescribed) for studying and it worked quite well but eventually i ahd to up the dose by a half pill then a whole pill, etc. There were sexual side effects that were bad like being really horny but not being able to keep a hard on LOL talk about the ultimate torture. I havent touched it in over 2 years, not worth the sides and dependency issues. Does anyone know if there are long term effects that never go away?
 
calveless wonder said:
i think i'm gonna try to stay off the stims....caffeine included.

im prescribed adderall which i dont take all the time because i crash so bad from it and after taking it for awhile i just feel worse and worse (more irritable, less effective, and crash harder if i stop taking it)

Before that or when im not taking it, i take caffeine religiously either through Monster or ECA....

i figure i give it a shot cold turkey (except for the small amount of caffeine in the occasional diet soda)

who here is religious about their stim use?

Whether caffeine, amphetamine, yohimbine/other thermogenic/amp02

The idea of constantly having to increase the dose and burning our your receptors is not fun. I feel great when i first start taking them...more focused, euphoric, energetic but then I continiously feel crappier as time goes on. the crash is unbearable, i can't get anything done
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Get the advill ready for when you give up caffeine. Worst headache you will ever have.
 
calveless wonder said:
i think i'm gonna try to stay off the stims....caffeine included.

im prescribed adderall which i dont take all the time because i crash so bad from it and after taking it for awhile i just feel worse and worse (more irritable, less effective, and crash harder if i stop taking it)

Before that or when im not taking it, i take caffeine religiously either through Monster or ECA....

i figure i give it a shot cold turkey (except for the small amount of caffeine in the occasional diet soda)

who here is religious about their stim use?

Whether caffeine, amphetamine, yohimbine/other thermogenic/amp02

The idea of constantly having to increase the dose and burning our your receptors is not fun. I feel great when i first start taking them...more focused, euphoric, energetic but then I continiously feel crappier as time goes on. the crash is unbearable, i can't get anything done
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I cut out coffee about two weeks ago. The first few days were rough but fine, now. Good luck!
 
Not. I drink one 12oz cup of pretty strong coffee in the morning. Never anything else. No tea, no soda, and none of those energy drinks.


After having been a meth addict I have a different perspective on all that shit. None of it really helps in the long term, and increasing dosages or frequency of any of it only provides diminishing returns and more side effects.
 
RottenWillow said:
Not. I drink one 12oz cup of pretty strong coffee in the morning. Never anything else. No tea, no soda, and none of those energy drinks.


After having been a meth addict I have a different perspective on all that shit. None of it really helps in the long term, and increasing dosages or frequency of any of it only provides diminishing returns and more side effects.
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how do you get off meth, i always thought it was one of those drugs that is inescapable, like heroin or something.
 
superdave said:
how do you get off meth, i always thought it was one of those drugs that is inescapable, like heroin or something.
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it is...thats why rotten willow has some balls to be able to have quit.

learn a thing or two and replace your booz habbit with steroids
 
nangiggles said:
Not hooked on any stimulants, don't even drink coffee and stay clear of soda... but I am pretty boring :p Did take Dren fior like a month to go to the gym, now find it hard to work out without it :worried: but am working my way back up...



Do you mean Coca leaves?
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YES AS A MATTER OF FACT I DID

thank you :D
 
cindylou said:
this scares me, my sis has been takin it for years
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If you actually need such a med, it usually doesn't make you feel the same as the bozos that don't need it. I actually seem MORE like I'm on speed if I DON'T take adderall. Without it, I am SUPER-HELLA impatient, irritable, cranky, STABBY, lose everything, cant finish anything, can't sit still, start 10 projects and finish 0, ....... and so on. Plus, I have MAJOR road rage and grocery-store-line rage without adderall.
 
superdave said:
how do you get off meth, i always thought it was one of those drugs that is inescapable, like heroin or something.
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It is very hard. Meth has the highest relapse rate of any illicit drug, even heroin. I first got clean by doing federal prison time. Security was tight so most drugs were very hard to get, and they had really great NA groups. Then when you get back out into the real world you never talk to your old drug buddies or go back to those old places. Ever.
 
RottenWillow said:
It is very hard. Meth has the highest relapse rate of any illicit drug, even heroin. I first got clean by doing federal prison time. Security was tight so most drugs were very hard to get, and they had really great NA groups. Then when you get back out into the real world you never talk to your old drug buddies or go back to those old places. Ever.
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yea i would imagine no one gets clean without being forced through prison. how long you been clean? is it one of those things where you are always an addict, like alcoholism? Or if you stay clean long enough does the addiction and desire go away and you dont have to consciously work at it anymore?
 
Sadly, I don't really function very well if I haven't had my coffee
 
superdave said:
yea i would imagine no one gets clean without being forced through prison. how long you been clean? is it one of those things where you are always an addict, like alcoholism? Or if you stay clean long enough does the addiction and desire go away and you dont have to consciously work at it anymore?
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this Fall will be 8 years. No you're definitely an addict permanently. The physical addiction actually continues for over a year after the last usage, hence the very high relapse rate. It's very tough. The psychological addiction improves after that, but no it never goes away.
 
RottenWillow said:
this Fall will be 8 years. No you're definitely an addict permanently. The physical addiction actually continues for over a year after the last usage, hence the very high relapse rate. It's very tough. The psychological addiction improves after that, but no it never goes away.
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thats a huge accomplishment to be able to beat something like meth for this long. Has there been any long term damage to you like brain function, etc?
 
superdave said:
thats a huge accomplishment to be able to beat something like meth for this long. Has there been any long term damage to you like brain function, etc?
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Yes. Concentration and ability to multitask never returned to what it was before. I've got a total one track mind now. Also, I get some mild depressive spells I never used to get. For years afterwards I'd get panic attacks, but those finally went away. It majorly alters your brain chemistry. Only so much your body can undo, you know?
 
RottenWillow said:
Yes. Concentration and ability to multitask never returned to what it was before. I've got a total one track mind now. Also, I get some mild depressive spells I never used to get. For years afterwards I'd get panic attacks, but those finally went away. It majorly alters your brain chemistry. Only so much your body can undo, you know?
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yes. I messed around with adderall in college a couple years ago and have the same issues you mentioned, except no panic attacks. I cant help but wonder if it caused that myself.
 
I NEED my coffee after I wake up. I don't take in any caffeine for the rest of the day on most days. But boy-oh-boy, that post-wakeup caffeine is an absolute must, because I am NOT a morning person at all!
 
When I was competing I used to abuse the crap out of ECA's and all the coffee in the world didn't keep me from falling asleep on the couch at about 4PM with my kids jumping all over me. Funny, I've noticed that as I've gotten older I don't NEED that caffiene. Matter of fact if I drink more than a cup/two it makes my heart pound. It just isn't pleasurable. I don't drink tea or soda so and I haven't taken an ECA since my competitive days which were waaaay over.

Reading everyone's posts about how other drugs have affected them has been very helpfull to me. May I ask for those who have had a permanent affect on their brain chemistry have ya'll ever done any research/looked into adding Omega 3's to your supplement regime? I've personally had a GREAT BENEFIT from adding this supplement to my diet.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
When I was competing I used to abuse the crap out of ECA's and all the coffee in the world didn't keep me from falling asleep on the couch at about 4PM with my kids jumping all over me. Funny, I've noticed that as I've gotten older I don't NEED that caffiene. Matter of fact if I drink more than a cup/two it makes my heart pound. It just isn't pleasurable. I don't drink tea or soda so and I haven't taken an ECA since my competitive days which were waaaay over.

Reading everyone's posts about how other drugs have affected them has been very helpfull to me. May I ask for those who have had a permanent affect on their brain chemistry have ya'll ever done any research/looked into adding Omega 3's to your supplement regime? I've personally had a GREAT BENEFIT from adding this supplement to my diet.
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omega 3 fatty acids, like in fish? What sort of benefits are you getting from that?
 
superdave said:
how do i buy
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Since I am not an official sponsor of ef it is bad jujubes for me to sell anything here. (I don't go in the backdoor anywhere - dishonorable practises and me, we don't get along.)

I have been waiting on private funding to get the first batch of product made/labeled/packaged. First steps were investigate, target market, logo, find manufacturer and all that goes along with taking a good idea then putting it on a store shelf. We ran into a bump when we ran outta dough (got too many hungry lawyers on the payroll) so been looking for private investors to help get the last leg of the journey completed.

That should be completed in the next week.

When I get my products ready for the shelves I will most likely become an EF sponsor. We have other marketing campaigns ready to go as well.

The best I can say is check back on my site in the next month or so. But the products are no bullshit. :supercool
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Since I am not an official sponsor of ef it is bad jujubes for me to sell anything here. (I don't go in the backdoor anywhere - dishonorable practises and me, we don't get along.)

I have been waiting on private funding to get the first batch of product made/labeled/packaged. First steps were investigate, target market, logo, find manufacturer and all that goes along with taking a good idea then putting it on a store shelf. We ran into a bump when we ran outta dough (got too many hungry lawyers on the payroll) so been looking for private investors to help get the last leg of the journey completed.

That should be completed in the next week.

When I get my products ready for the shelves I will most likely become an EF sponsor. We have other marketing campaigns ready to go as well.

The best I can say is check back on my site in the next month or so. But the products are no bullshit. :supercool
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I already go a super secret password to use I call it emo oil and everyone that knows the secret goes to a special place and we chat.
 
emo oil is extracted directly from the tears of suburban white teenagers in the Seattle area from 1991-1999 and then aged until being made available for the first time now.
 
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