holy shit!!! this dude figured out how to run your car on water....

[billfred]

Dudes, using electrolysis to free H from H2O and combust H as fuel is not new science. In fact I believe it was first done in the mid 19th century.

And the problem with this is???

I understood it took more energy to create the hydrogen than it saves in fuel. Can you confirm?

 

[jnef]

And the problem with this is???

I understood it took more energy to create the hydrogen than it saves in fuel. Can you confirm?

my fav has to be the car that runs on air

they're working on an air compressor right now that only takes x amount of air to run and produce xx amount of compressed air - so you would never have to fill up again...cant wait

 

[Scotsman]

And the problem with this is???

I understood it took more energy to create the hydrogen than it saves in fuel. Can you confirm?

Here in lies the problem. In order to use electrolosis for H separation you have to have an initial energy source. In a mobile context this means a battery. Since you have to charge the battery you are probably using electricity from the standard power grid. Now instead of burning gasoline you are burning coal to produce electricity (Since the majority of our power generation is through coal firing). So in the end you haven't really helped the environment that much and at first you may help your pocketbook but what's the long term expense going to be.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[RottenWillow]

And the problem with this is???

I understood it took more energy to create the hydrogen than it saves in fuel. Can you confirm?

I've read it really doesn't take much power to generate sufficient electrolysis to free H. We actually already have enough commerical wind turnbines and PV arrays to make way more "green" hydrogen than our entire nation would need for personal transporation.

The one real problem right now is finding the lightest and smallest "tank" to hold the hydrogen or hydrogen precusor in automobiles. I think BMW has found a pretty good method IIRC, and Honda has a good one too. I think it's BMW that proposes carrying ammonia in the car tank (it's mostly hydrogen) and converting it on the fly like this water idea.

Domestic automakers and the petrol industry in general say the problem is lack of H distribution network, but that's pure bullshit. Massive amounts of H is already transported all around this country already.

 

[RottenWillow]

Now instead of burning gasoline you are burning coal to produce electricity (Since the majority of our power generation is through coal firing). So in the end you haven't really helped the environment that much and at first you may help your pocketbook but what's the long term expense going to be.

Cheers,
Scotsman

That's a negatory, good buddy.

 

[txbondsman]

a buddy of mine saw a car that ran on water, they sepparated the hydrogen off with electricity, I'm not sure if this is the same deal or not. He welded concentric rings of metal, larger to smaller, and made them negative, then positive, alternating. Then he hooked up his car battery charger/ starter that is on wheels, one lead on the the positive side, etc.
He had it submerged in a five gallon bucket of water, when he hit the charge, it started bubbling and was sepperating the hydrogen. He lit a newspaper and waved it over the bucket. BAMN!! it ignited. Supposedly he has the manuel to somehow carberate the hydrogen. We'll see...

 

[Scotsman]

That's a negatory, good buddy.

How so?

Most of the water system stuff I have seen doesn't have the capacity to run the same power output as a conventional engine. Therefore you lose certain things like Alternators so you have no way to recharge the battery via the internal system. Also the electrolosis process doesn't require a lot of voltage but the amperage is high so you need extra battery power via multiple batteries.

I didn't read this exact article so I may be mistaken on this version of the technology.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[redsamurai]

Dudes, using electrolysis to free H from H2O and combust H as fuel is not new science. In fact I believe it was first done in the mid 19th century.

but it's the way he frees the hydrogen.......it remains more stable. I have to further figure out what exactly he's doing........but it's not as simple as just seperating the hydrogen from water. He's doing something else to get a more stable hydrogen compound out of the electrolysis. Samoth???

 

[redsamurai]

And he's converting the hydrogen and directly feeding it to the engine. No tank for the hydrogen storage necessary. So in effect, you'd probably still want some gas in your car to run on while the battery charges, than switch over to the water so you start with a "full charge" on the battery. Scotsman, hydrogen has way more energy than gasoline.......it was always a matter of "stability". If this guy has solved the stability problem..........you'd be able to run alot more things in the car off the hydrogen energy supply cause the engine would have plenty of power on tap. We may see slightly new block and piston designs if this technology catches on to fully utilize the increased power to be gotten from hydrogen. I would imagine compression might be an issue........????

 

[redsamurai]

from the website


"HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns smoothly and provides significant energy - while the end product is just H2O! HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the stability of water."


the enlarged text is the key.........."if" what they claim is true that's the holy grail.