High dose first cycles.

[ultragainz]

ERCOLE---not everone will gain off 200mgs of deca...i would make it 400-300mgs of deca.

 

[Andy13]

. If I hadn't been so conservative, I've probably have to be doing a gram a day by now to see any effects ...

Maybe.... If you were the size of a pro bber.... It's absolutely preposterous to believe (for instance) that you can grow off of 700mg of test at 200lbs because you "worked your way up to it." And, in another life, get to 200lbs on high doses, that, in some way, you have "ruined" it for yourself and now (in this new life) cannot make the same gains off of xmgs of AAS at ylbs.

 

[me2dammit]

What about injuries?

I mean, yeah the extra juice will make you grow faster on your first cycles, but you would already be growing fast enough with moderate doses. With those higher doses and muscle coming faster, wouldn't the chance of tearing a tendon or ligament, or at the very least weakening it so that further injury is highly likely, increaze more than the benefits?

You may not show it now, but that one day you are only doing warm ups, snap!

This is a risk we take with moderate dosing, but I believe greater leaps with higher doses are just asking for trouble!

 

[gnostic]

Barring sides, I think a newbie doing high doses will only get him to his goal faster.

I also think that a lot of guys think they 'grow fast in the beginning' and 'the juice stops working after so many months' b/c they are used to the full glycogen stores feeling they got in the beginning... And it doesn't seem to be getting 'better.'

IT's individual, though. Some guys don't want to suddenly blow up by 20 lbs b/c of what others may think. And, incase you could not tell, I don't believe that one should "gain all he can naturally" before juicing. I know, I know, it's not fair for guys (me included) to train for YEARS naturally to gain what some newbie does after one cycle.. And he should learn how to eat right, etc..... But, physiologically, I don't think there is any real benefit to holding out.

Andy

Couldn't agree with you more andy, i don't think there is any major benefit to holding out. It seems the people who get the greatest gains off steroids are newbies and people who have not trained for long periods of time, i start my fina cycle tommorrow and expect to add at least 50 lbs to my bench in six weeks, i will keep you all posted.

 

[Realgains]

It depend on how close you are to your natural maximum weight. If you really are at your max natural weight ie:5'9 or 10 inches and a fairly lean 190 then a larger dose would be in order but I don't think more than 500- 750 of test alone per week would be needed. Save the larger doses for when you are above your natural max weight.....this is the only time you need larger doses of gear.

 

[Realgains]

Big dose first cycles are a waste of money and make no sense. A first-timer can make fine gains on 200 mg of Deca a week, so why should he double or triple that?

Don't cheat yourself out of the gains you can make from low dosages. Dosages should only be increased when the lower ones have become ineffective.

We all know the "more is better" crowd at the gym ... the guys who look like like the Michelin man's uglier brother ... fat, bloated, pus-filled zits all over their back and shoulders, nasty-looking acne scarring.

These are the guys who consider themselves "hardcore iron monsters", but they look more like overgrown marshmallows.

Your body can only add muscle at its own speed, and mega-doses won't change that. They'll just empty your bank account, give you nasty side effects, and guarantee that ONLY mega-doses will work for you in the future.

Be smart, dose AS conservatively, and you'll look better and have more longevity in the sport.

I had been juicing off and on for *15 years* before I ever even thought of using a gram a week. If I hadn't been so conservative, I've probably have to be doing a gram a day by now to see any effects ...

Guys that are well below there natural maximum weight will gain on 200 of nandrolone per week but then again they will gain well without gear too.
200 won't do much for a guy that has been training hard and has put on a good deal of mass naturally.
I would bump the dose of nandrolone to 2mg per pound of body weight and also take some proviron 100mg per day.......or a little test...200mg per week for sex drive.

 

[Ercole]

Guys, I didn't mean newbies should be confined to using 200 mg./week of Deca. All I meant was try low doses first and see if they work. Then the higher doses will work even better when you move up to them.

Everybody is different, but there's no question that gains on a particular dosage will decrease after some weeks, so why blow your wad on your first cycle?

This is just my experience and what I've seen around the gym -- including my mega-doser friends who are constantly complaining to me that "nothing works for me anymore". They're convinced I'm on MASSIVE doses, since I keep growing, but I'm not, although my dosages are getting up there ...

Your mileage may vary. If you can get the same great gains on the same dosage cycle after cycle, my hat's off to you!

 

[jmg141]

i am up from 168 to 185 on week six of my first cycle now and have had absolutly no sides.
500suswk
400eq wk
and i wish i had kickstarted it with d-bol or prop. I will probably throw in some tren or winny at the end.

 

[Realgains]

i am up from 168 to 185 on week six of my first cycle now and have had absolutly no sides.
500suswk
400eq wk
and i wish i had kickstarted it with d-bol or prop. I will probably throw in some tren or winny at the end.

You have had good results from a pretty large dose of gear bro....the addition of the d-bol would probably have resulted in sides and little increase in overall gain...so count yourself lucky.

 

[maxes21]

i didnt vote, but i think that high dosages for a first cycle r good and bad, sure u might be able to find things to counter act the sides, and get terrific results. well lets say the avarage first time user is 160-180 lbs cause thats what i see alot of people starting off these days, im sure we can all agrree that if one of these avarage guys take's 1000mg of test a week for 10 weeks and eats right will gain quite a bit of weight, water, fat and muscle, and i think im ok to say that one could gain 30 or even up to 40lbs in those 10 weeks. sure ur useing things to counter act the sides, and the gains r great and you look huge, well the people that see you all the time r going to be like holly shit how did he get soo big, oh he must be on roids, once people start saying that it goes arround and people start talking shit and your whole reputations changes, oh and not to mention ur bound to get some nice sized strech marks from gain so much weight soo fast.

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