hgh fat loss, is it permanent

[william rand]

I did some searches and cant really get the response I am looking for.
The question is the following: the fat loss on HGH is it permanent or like AAS where once you stop you start to gain your fat back? I am debating either liposuction or HGH. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

 

[10001110101]

no fat loss is permanent.

nothing is permanent.

life isn't permanent.

 

[Tatyana]

Interesting that you posted this.

Just to let you know as well, something like 85% of people who have lipo gain back all the weight they had sucked out within one year.

I have been reading about GH recently, and the one huge study that set off the growth explosion was a study on older men, and it was like tapping into the fountain of youth, better skin, more muscle, less bodyfat, for the first six months.

What the study didn't mention was that the majority of the subject withdrew after this time, there were too many sides, like carpal tunnel syndrome, gyno (I can't remember the rest but there were a few).

When they ceased taking GH, all of the benefits they had acquired while on reverted.

I would recommend looking into long-term permanent solutions, like your diet.

The other interesting thing about GH is that while it's levels decrease as people age, it is not because we stop making it, it is that it is not released.

There are a number of writers and scientists who claim that it is possible to stimulate somatotrophs to continue to release GH.

I would recommend that you do a bit of further reading:

Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle by Tom Venuto

Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin.

There are no 'quick' nor 'easy' solutions to permanent fat loss and a fantastic physique, it is all about lifestyle modifications.

 

[goin on 4T]

Nope not permanant, nothing ever is or ever will except those tatoos...

 

[justinjones1963]

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I would recommend looking into long-term permanent solutions, like your diet.

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Let the truth be told!

The problem is that people are not looking for the correct answer, they want the easy way out.

Another excellent reply Tat

 

[jumpmaster82]

dude no fat loss is permanent. If you lose 4 or 5% BF then stop taking gh and go back to eating 3 big macs and 15 brownies a day of course youll gain it back. The only way to change your body permanently is to train hard eat clean and have discipline permanently.

 

[Trendsetter21]

I did some searches and cant really get the response I am looking for.
The question is the following: the fat loss on human growth hormone - somatropin - is it permanent or like anabolic androgenic steroids where once you stop you start to gain your fat back? I am debating either liposuction or HGH. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

Yes its permanent as long as you don't eat another meal ever.

 

[airsmith2k]

i wish it was permanent when i did 2 kits it leaned me out but when i stopped it came rite back....the thing with hgh is that you can eat whatever you want and youll stay lean

 

[william rand]

Interesting that you posted this.

Just to let you know as well, something like 85% of people who have lipo gain back all the weight they had sucked out within one year.

I have been reading about gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - recently, and the one huge study that set off the growth explosion was a study on older men, and it was like tapping into the fountain of youth, better skin, more muscle, less bodyfat, for the first six months.

What the study didn't mention was that the majority of the subject withdrew after this time, there were too many sides, like carpal tunnel syndrome, gynecomastia (I can't remember the rest but there were a few).

When they ceased taking GH, all of the benefits they had acquired while on reverted.

I would recommend looking into long-term permanent solutions, like your diet.

The other interesting thing about GH is that while it's levels decrease as people age, it is not because we stop making it, it is that it is not released.

There are a number of writers and scientists who claim that it is possible to stimulate somatotrophs to continue to release GH.

I would recommend that you do a bit of further reading:

Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle by Tom Venuto

Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin.

There are no 'quick' nor 'easy' solutions to permanent fat loss and a fantastic physique, it is all about lifestyle modifications.

First of all thanks for the reply, I have actually read Tom Venuto's book and I loved it. I work-out regularly and my diet is pretty good year round. I am lean on my whole body except abdomen/flanks like the majority of people. I wanted to target these areas specifically with the gh or lipo. I am able to maintain a steady weight but I just cant lose the fat around the trouble areas. I dont see how if I can maintain a steady weight with my diet/training and I remove the fat via lipo that the fat will come back? Maybe the 80% of people who regained the fat after lipo/gh stopped eating clean also?

 

[goin on 4T]

i wish it was permanent when i did 2 kits it leaned me out but when i stopped it came rite back....the thing with human growth hormone - somatropin - is that you can eat whatever you want and youll stay lean

True airshith! That is the point I think he is missing. We know we don't have to have such a strict diet because the GH takes care of that. When you stop the GH and your diet is not strict to start with, guess what. You put on the fat the GH was keeping off!

 

[Tatyana]

First of all thanks for the reply, I have actually read Tom Venuto's book and I loved it. I work-out regularly and my diet is pretty good year round. I am lean on my whole body except abdomen/flanks like the majority of people. I wanted to target these areas specifically with the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - or lipo. I am able to maintain a steady weight but I just cant lose the fat around the trouble areas. I dont see how if I can maintain a steady weight with my diet/training and I remove the fat via lipo that the fat will come back? Maybe the 80% of people who regained the fat after lipo/gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - stopped eating clean also?

You will remember then that Tom has said, the abs are the fat reservoir...........

How long have you maitained your weight?

There is also some belief that fat deposits in certain areas are related to hormones, or rather hormone imbalances.

Fat on the belly, and by 'flanks' do you mean love handles/back fat or butt fat?

Fat on the belly is related to the whole cortisol-insulin response, so it is stress related.

Not enough sleep, no relaxation or relaxation techniques, simple sugars in the diet, too much caffeine...........to name a few, could all be related to fat in this area.

I just finished a fanatastic book by a clinical nutritionist who has worked in the NHS in England, Marilyn Glenville, called fat around the middle, which was dedicated to this issue. It was written moreso for women who have not trained, but did have some fantastic information in it.

 

[william rand]

You will remember then that Tom has said, the abs are the fat reservoir...........

How long have you maitained your weight?

There is also some belief that fat deposits in certain areas are related to hormones, or rather hormone imbalances.

Fat on the belly, and by 'flanks' do you mean love handles/back fat or butt fat?

Fat on the belly is related to the whole cortisol-insulin response, so it is stress related.

Not enough sleep, no relaxation or relaxation techniques, simple sugars in the diet, too much caffeine...........to name a few, could all be related to fat in this area.

I just finished a fanatastic book by a clinical nutritionist who has worked in the NHS in England, Marilyn Glenville, called fat around the middle, which was dedicated to this issue. It was written moreso for women who have not trained, but did have some fantastic information in it.

by 'flanks' i meant love handles. I have tried a Winstrol - stanozolol cycle and a test/Winstrol - stanozolol cycle and the anabolic androgenic steroids lets me do incredible amounts of cardio so I lose the fat, but once I am off AAS, I gradually gain some fat back (not all of it though), and its mostly in the stomach and love-Handles).
Let me clarify my original question: is the loss in fat gained via gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - any different from the fat loss gained via AAS since GH actually increases the red blood cells...etc). I am not interested in the qauntity of fat loss between the two but the effort required to permanently keep off the fat ASSUMING DIET IS KEPT CLEAN DURING AND AFTER THE CYCLE.

 

[Tatyana]

by 'flanks' i meant love handles. I have tried a Winstrol - stanozolol cycle and a test/Winstrol - stanozolol cycle and the anabolic androgenic steroids lets me do incredible amounts of cardio so I lose the fat, but once I am off anabolic androgenic steroids, I gradually gain some fat back (not all of it though), and its mostly in the stomach and love-Handles).
Let me clarify my original question: is the loss in fat gained via gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - any different from the fat loss gained via AAS since GH actually increases the red blood cells...etc). I am not interested in the qauntity of fat loss between the two but the effort required to permanently keep off the fat ASSUMING DIET IS KEPT CLEAN DURING AND AFTER THE CYCLE.

From what I have read, NO.

Keeping fat off is always an effort, and taking MOST drugs or supps have a rebound effect, even caffeine.

 

[bbkingpin]

Let me clarify my original question: is the loss in fat gained via gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - any different from the fat loss gained via anabolic androgenic steroids since GH actually increases the red blood cells...etc). I am not interested in the qauntity of fat loss between the two but the effort required to permanently keep off the fat ASSUMING DIET IS KEPT CLEAN DURING AND AFTER THE CYCLE.

huh???

 

[Nelson Montana]

Interesting that you posted this.

Just to let you know as well, something like 85% of people who have lipo gain back all the weight they had sucked out within one year.

I have been reading about gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - recently, and the one huge study that set off the growth explosion was a study on older men, and it was like tapping into the fountain of youth, better skin, more muscle, less bodyfat, for the first six months.

What the study didn't mention was that the majority of the subject withdrew after this time, there were too many sides, like carpal tunnel syndrome, gynecomastia (I can't remember the rest but there were a few).

When they ceased taking GH, all of the benefits they had acquired while on reverted.

I would recommend looking into long-term permanent solutions, like your diet.

The other interesting thing about GH is that while it's levels decrease as people age, it is not because we stop making it, it is that it is not released.

There are a number of writers and scientists who claim that it is possible to stimulate somatotrophs to continue to release GH.

I would recommend that you do a bit of further reading:

Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle by Tom Venuto

Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin.

There are no 'quick' nor 'easy' solutions to permanent fat loss and a fantastic physique, it is all about lifestyle modifications.

Sorry Tatyana but I have to disagree with you on several few points here.

Fat removed from lypo is gone for good. As you know, after full skeletal growth is acheived the amount of fat cells you have is set. You can not add or subtract. (Unless they are removed). Now, the remaining fat cells can EXPAND, but that has nothing to do with the effectiveness of lypo.

I think GH is overrated, but that's a discussion in itself. Hardly the fountain of youth. I'd say testosterone, certain supplments and exercise are far more benificial. Natural GH can be released through short bursts of physical stress (i.e. squatting, not aerobics) and deep sleep.

Stims have a rebound effect because the body gets used to the stims. I worte about this years ago and all the fool gurus (McDonald, Roberts et al) of the time blasted me for it yet today it's accepted that I was correct. ZIP does NOT have a rebound effect and that was he intention behind its design.

Tom Venutos's book is a worthy read. (He interviewed me a few years back) However my take on diet is much simpler and just as effective.

Rob Fagans book is good and one of the most detailed I've ever read , yet suprisingly lacking in so many other methods to manipulate hormones naturally. His main thing is intense exercise and a low carb diet -- which is questionable.

That's it, I'm done.

 

[Nelson Montana]

No response? Hope I didn't offend anybody.

 

[holy ghost]

venutos book is golden

 

[jeb0177]

no fat loss is permanent.

nothing is permanent.

life isn't permanent.

that's right! WELL IT IS PERMANENT IF YOU KEEP EATING RIGHT AND EXERCISING AS WELL. NO JUNK FOOD MY BROTHA!

 

[Tatyana]

Sorry Tatyana but I have to disagree with you on several few points here.

Fat removed from lypo is gone for good. As you know, after full skeletal growth is acheived the amount of fat cells you have is set. You can not add or subtract. (Unless they are removed). Now, the remaining fat cells can EXPAND, but that has nothing to do with the effectiveness of lypo.

I think gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - is overrated, but that's a discussion in itself. Hardly the fountain of youth. I'd say testosterone, certain supplments and exercise are far more benificial. Natural GH can be released through short bursts of physical stress (i.e. squatting, not aerobics) and deep sleep.

Stims have a rebound effect because the body gets used to the stims. I worte about this years ago and all the fool gurus (McDonald, Roberts et al) of the time blasted me for it yet today it's accepted that I was correct. ZIP does NOT have a rebound effect and that was he intention behind its design.

Tom Venutos's book is a worthy read. (He interviewed me a few years back) However my take on diet is much simpler and just as effective.

Rob Fagans book is good and one of the most detailed I've ever read , yet suprisingly lacking in so many other methods to manipulate hormones naturally. His main thing is intense exercise and a low carb diet -- which is questionable.

That's it, I'm done.

no not offended hun, there is a time difference though

I know what you mean about lipo, however stats do show people do gain back weight.

Thanks for clarifying the fat cells thing. I have a few bits to add:

New fat cells can be grown under different physiological conditions, such as pregnancy.

I also wonder if it will be found that we can grow new fat cells. It was thought that the brain doesn't grow, but brain stem cells have been found. Not many survive to get from where they originate to where they need to be in the brain though.

They have also found stem cells in muscle............................again it seems they mostly form some of the satellite cells that help to 'repair' muscle, not muscle tissue itself, but there are still stem cells.

I haven't seen many cases of lipo, but my concern is that the action of traditional lipo (there are less brutal techniques now starting to be used), disrupts the tissue structure.

The one woman I saw who had it done on her butt and back of thighs had one inch deep pock marks ALL OVER. Could have been a dodgy surgeon, but her breast job was pretty good, and I think he was one of the best in Holland (if my memory serves me correctly).

I also think that GH is over-rated, and just like insulin, I think the key to this hormone is to trigger it's release (we do keep making it until our old age, it just isn't released).


I haven't read your book yet, it is one that I have down to read, I must admit I am still partial to traditional books rather than e-books, I read on the train and x-trainer quite a bit.

As always, you are one of the voices of reason hun.

 

[Jon79]

no not offended hun, there is a time difference though

I know what you mean about lipo, however stats do show people do gain back weight.

Thanks for clarifying the fat cells thing. I have a few bits to add:

New fat cells can be grown under different physiological conditions, such as pregnancy.

I also wonder if it will be found that we can grow new fat cells. It was thought that the brain doesn't grow, but brain stem cells have been found. Not many survive to get from where they originate to where they need to be in the brain though.

They have also found stem cells in muscle............................again it seems they mostly form some of the satellite cells that help to 'repair' muscle, not muscle tissue itself, but there are still stem cells.

I haven't seen many cases of lipo, but my concern is that the action of traditional lipo (there are less brutal techniques now starting to be used), disrupts the tissue structure.

The one woman I saw who had it done on her butt and back of thighs had one inch deep pock marks ALL OVER. Could have been a dodgy surgeon, but her breast job was pretty good, and I think he was one of the best in Holland (if my memory serves me correctly).

I also think that gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is over-rated, and just like insulin, I think the key to this hormone is to trigger it's release (we do keep making it until our old age, it just isn't released).


I haven't read your book yet, it is one that I have down to read, I must admit I am still partial to traditional books rather than e-books, I read on the train and x-trainer quite a bit.

As always, you are one of the voices of reason hun.

dang thanks 4 the info

 

[Tatyana]

Rob Fagans book is good and one of the most detailed I've ever read , yet suprisingly lacking in so many other methods to manipulate hormones naturally. His main thing is intense exercise and a low carb diet -- which is questionable.

I have found one error in his book, page 69

'Along the same lines, protein and essential fatty acids, in contrast to carbohydrates, serve vital functions in the body aside from their role as an energy source'

This is not correct.

There are glycoproteins and glycolipids on and in every single cell. For example, the ABO blood groups are determined by the carbohydrate moities on the surface, referred to as HLA (human leucocyte antigen) or MHC (major histocompatibility complex).

Another example is the CD, most people have heard of CD-4 and CD-8, which are the carbohydrate markers that distinguish T-cells (hope I remembered that correctly), and there are up to, erm, something like at least 20 + CD markers that are essential to our immune system functioning.

My concern is that we are moving into this 'carbs are bad' type of dieting, and it will be as disastrous as the 'fat is bad' type of dieting.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have found one error in his book, page 69

'Along the same lines, protein and essential fatty acids, in contrast to carbohydrates, serve vital functions in the body aside from their role as an energy source'

This is not correct.

There are glycoproteins and glycolipids on and in every single cell. For example, the ABO blood groups are determined by the carbohydrate moities on the surface, referred to as HLA (human leucocyte antigen) or MHC (major histocompatibility complex).

Another example is the CD, most people have heard of CD-4 and CD-8, which are the carbohydrate markers that distinguish T-cells (hope I remembered that correctly), and there are up to, erm, something like at least 20 + CD markers that are essential to our immune system functioning.

My concern is that we are moving into this 'carbs are bad' type of dieting, and it will be as disastrous as the 'fat is bad' type of dieting.

Agreed. And a diet too low in crabs will supress the thyroid -- ironic since the thyroid is what determines how much fat we burn.

I never claimed lipo is the answer. It can look awful too. I will say, it's great for obliques, which are the last hold out of fat in men. But it should never be a solution for obesity. You're best off getting as lean as possible and then using the lipo for the last bit. (Much like my stance on steroids).

 

[ironcheif1984]

I once heard that a fat cell never goes away period no matter what you do. They do however shrink with correct diet and training, its much easier to gain the fat back then to lose it. Correct me if i am wrong i am still learning all the details of dieting

 

[txbondsman]

I think gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is overrated, but that's a discussion in itself. Hardly the fountain of youth. I'd say testosterone, certain supplments and exercise are far more benificial.

I'm glad to see that someone else has this oppinion. I didn't find that it was a miracle drug at all. Granted, I gave it a 8 month trial, not a year or more, as some would say, but it never did do what the "hype" was. It did help in weight loss prehaps, but the "you can eat what you want and it doesn't matter" is bull. At 47, you better be doing some cardio and somewhat of a clean diet or your results will be marginal to poor. I did't get the urge to climb Mt. Everest or and my skin didn't get reguvinated to make me look younger, etc. LOL

I did get severly swolen and sore knuckels and my hands went numb for long periods. The soreness was very uncomfortable, went from 4iu's ed to 2 just to keep the pain down. Anyway, I didn't find it the fountain of youth as you hear some people claim. I'm open to oppionions, that is what happened to me. If somepone sees something that I did or didn't do that can give me better results, I'd like to hear them....
Tx

 

[Nelson Montana]

I once heard that a fat cell never goes away period no matter what you do. They do however shrink with correct diet and training, its much easier to gain the fat back then to lose it. Correct me if i am wrong i am still learning all the details of dieting

If they're surgically removed, they're removed.

 

[goin on 4T]

I'm glad to see that someone else has this oppinion. I didn't find that it was a miracle drug at all. Granted, I gave it a 8 month trial, not a year or more, as some would say, but it never did do what the "hype" was. It did help in weight loss prehaps, but the "you can eat what you want and it doesn't matter" is bull. At 47, you better be doing some cardio and somewhat of a clean diet or your results will be marginal to poor. I did't get the urge to climb Mt. Everest or and my skin didn't get reguvinated to make me look younger, etc. LOL

I did get severly swolen and sore knuckels and my hands went numb for long periods. The soreness was very uncomfortable, went from 4iu's ed to 2 just to keep the pain down. Anyway, I didn't find it the fountain of youth as you hear some people claim. I'm open to oppionions, that is what happened to me. If somepone sees something that I did or didn't do that can give me better results, I'd like to hear them....
Tx

I have and continue to have great results from GH. When I started I was 192lbs over 15% body fat.
I am now at 205lbs and about 7.5% body fat as per the doc on Friday. He ran this machine that scans your bodies bone, muscle and fat density. Pretty cool technology. Oh and I can't say this is due to the GH but I am about 3/4 of an inch taller. I started at 2IU's per day. Never took a day off. Did many different ways, but always started my day with an injection. At one point I was up to 7IU's per day. Once everything fell apart, source wise I dropped down to 2.5IU's per day.
So I have had great results from GH, I also ran some IGF in there and now for the last 5 weeks test prop. We all have different chemical make up and as such react differently to what we add to our body.

 

[rel0ad]

I have and continue to have great results from GH. When I started I was 192lbs over 15% body fat.
I am now at 205lbs and about 7.5% body fat as per the doc on Friday. He ran this machine that scans your bodies bone, muscle and fat density. Pretty cool technology. Oh and I can't say this is due to the GH but I am about 3/4 of an inch taller. I started at 2IU's per day. Never took a day off. Did many different ways, but always started my day with an injection. At one point I was up to 7IU's per day. Once everything fell apart, source wise I dropped down to 2.5IU's per day.
So I have had great results from GH, I also ran some IGF in there and now for the last 5 weeks test prop. We all have different chemical make up and as such react differently to what we add to our body.

if i run IGF-1 LR3 GH, will i get taller or is it only gonna help me get a lover bodyfat.

im on testo cyp now and thinking of adding a GH but im scared that my apperance will change drasticly.