HGC 1000IU, how does do this 3x a week?

[macrophage69alpha]

500iu is typically more than sufficient.
if running an AI, like say AIFM , this typically primes LH response 250ius is typically more than sufficient.


most people use too much HCG- which can cause gyno- not just because of the LH stimuls but also because of its thyrotrophic effects.

 

[mm107]

SO MACRO...
I will be running
Test E 250mg/Weeks 1-15
EQ 400mg/Weeks 1-15

Ill have HCG on hand. But dont know when to run it or when to start PCT since EQ is a long esther. Any suggestions?

 

[Maxgain]

From what i have read, the MD DR seems to nkow what he is talking about and the link and post is below.. its a must save for everyone.. I am going with protocal #2

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

3.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

4.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

Option one can be considered as a standard PCT protocol. This should apply to all basic cycles. Option 2 is generally the same as option one except for the addition of Clomid which is added as a supporting recovery aid. Option three and four incorporate a higher HCG dosage and have a relationship similar to options one and two in the sense that Clomid is incorporated in the latter as a supporting recovery aid.

*The majority of my experience is with intermediate to advanced athletes whom have completed multiple cycles with higher dosages. Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with. The Nolvadex dosage remains unchanged however Clomid is utilized throughout the entire PCT at 100 mgs ED during the first 3 weeks and 50 mgs ED for the last 3 weeks.

Ok first you have to realise all these are for long acting esters where it will take about 3 weeks to get back to phsiological levels after that you dont use it it SUPRESSES hpta

Second this is old and poor advice as it should be run in the cycle not after at 250iu 3x /wk. If anyone is going to argue please explain why causing atrophy of testes for about 10 weeks then trying to restore them is better than maintaining testes function throughout cycle.

Third 1000iu can cause permanent hypogonadism enjoy hrt for life. Do it properly if you have not started cycle do it throughout 250iu per day 3x /wk then you will regain function easily with clomid/nova post cycle

 

[mm107]

Ok first you have to realise all these are for long acting esters where it will take about 3 weeks to get back to phsiological levels after that you dont use it it SUPRESSES hpta

Second this is old and poor advice as it should be run in the cycle not after at 250iu 3x /wk. If anyone is going to argue please explain why causing atrophy of testes for about 10 weeks then trying to restore them is better than maintaining testes function throughout cycle.

Third 1000iu can cause permanent hypogonadism enjoy hrt for life. Do it properly if you have not started cycle do it throughout 250iu per day 3x /wk then you will regain function easily with clomid/nova post cycle

so ur saying run it through whole cycle at 250iu/day?

i just cant seem to find the "correct" way

im gonna ru n a 15 week cycle, i dont think runing hcg for 15 weeks is a good idea tho

 

[looking to lean]

through the whole cycle but once per week at 250iu. preferrably the day before your aas injection.

as per AR's recommendations. this will be what Im going to do... eventually. along with AIFM.

 

[mm107]

AR's = Anthoy Roberts?

I figured it would better to actually never achieve testicular atrophy, rather then to recover from it.

so i would just need enough to cover 15 weeks tho =[ lol

 

[looking to lean]

AR's = Anthoy Roberts?

I figured it would better to actually never achieve testicular atrophy, rather then to recover from it.

so i would just need enough to cover 15 weeks tho =[ lol

yep... on all accounts.

why lose them in the first place if it can be helped? I can understand the atrophy before HCG was used in conjuction with aas, but these days, there is no reason for it.

 

[mm107]

yep... on all accounts.

why lose them in the first place if it can be helped? I can understand the atrophy before HCG was used in conjuction with aas, but these days, there is no reason for it.

so whats a good protocol?

Test E 250mg/Weeks 1-15
EQ 400mg/Weeks 1-15
HCG @ 250i.u./Week 1-15

Any specific nolva dosages in conjunction w/ HCG?

So after week 15, i would be able to drop HCG, and use AIFM & Nolva for PCT?

 

[looking to lean]

AIFM through out. PCT included

HCG through out. not sure on the exact day to stop, but perhaps a week or 2 after your last EQ injection.

Nolva will begin at the same time you stop HCG. perhaps the same time as your last HCG shot.

Im really no expert on this. I feel a little out of place GIVING advice at this point. I have personally never used HCG. altho I will be when I cycle.

*Test E should be shot e3.5d or e4d

 

[mm107]

AIFM through out. PCT included

HCG through out. not sure on the exact day to stop, but perhaps a week or 2 after your last EQ injection.

Nolva will begin at the same time you stop HCG. perhaps the same time as your last HCG shot.

Im really no expert on this. I feel a little out of place GIVING advice at this point. I have personally never used HCG. altho I will be when I cycle.

*Test E should be shot e3.5d or e4d

heh, i know what ya mean about advice, im lookin for any info man, imma take this info here, read up some more, and post a GOOD question about it to see what others have to think.

i like this idea alot better then waiting to get shut down and then bring them back to normal.

Yea, i was gonna start pct about 3 weeks after last EQ shot since that should be when its half lifed out of me. Thanks bro for ALL this help!