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Jag_Saiyan
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He's right, HCG should be taken from the start.
OP = You should read the PCT for 2009. Has alot of information. Or atleast read what needtoo has said about AAS's. You need to check half lifes on your juice also.
he is at the end of 12 weaks already. 100iu ed wouldnt do shit for me. i would still shut down.
using from the start to prevent shut down is a better choice.
Ok, but here is info I got from edition 9. "If used for too ; long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis.
Bodybuilders and athletes may also administer Human Chorionic Gonadotropin throughout a steroid cycle, in an effort to avoid testicular atrophy and the resulting reduced ability to respond to LH stimulus. In effect, this practice is used to avoid the problem of testicular atrophy, instead of trying to correct it later on when the cycle is over. It is important to remember that the dosage needs to be carefully monitored with this type of use, as high levels of hCG may cause increased testicular aromatase expression (raising estrogen levels),920 and also desensitize the testes to LH.921 As such, the drug may actually induce primary hypogonadism when misused, greatly prolonging, not improving, the recovery window. Current protocols for the use of hCG in this manner involve administering 250lU subcutaneously twice per week (every 3rd or 4th day) throughout the length of the steroid cycle. Higher doses may be necessary for some individuals, but at no point should exceed 500lU per injection.
1000iu eod for 10 days is not to much nor is it to long. i myself have done this more than once. so have countless others. it works
Well I'm not a Doctor but this Doctor said this.. "It is important to remember that the dosage needs to be carefully monitored with this type of use, as high levels of hCG may cause increased testicular aromatase expression (raising estrogen levels),920 and also desensitize the testes to LH.921 As such, the drug may actually induce primary hypogonadism when misused, greatly prolonging, not improving, the recovery window. Current protocols for the use of hCG in this manner involve administering 250lU subcutaneously twice per week (every 3rd or 4th day) throughout the length of the steroid cycle. Higher doses may be necessary for some individuals, but at no point should exceed 500lU per injection.
These on-cycle hCG protocols were developed by Dr.John Crisler, a well-known figure in the anti-aging and hormone-replacement."
You may have done your 1000ius eod and others too... But you could be doing more damage then you know. The OP should read what DOCTORS say about a certain drug, and not take any of our advice. I only give advice that I have read from doctors and then have tried myself and learned the results first hand. Good Day Bro!
you dont run steroid cycles by any chance do you?
niightz
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when using prop/npp I run my hcg for the last ten days of cycle, meaning last shot of hcg will be 2 days past my last inject of prop/npp. I run 500 I.U. a day for those 10 days. It works and works very well. I dont see anything wrong with using 1000 if YOUR body needs that much. GL to ya . 
just that you dont really seem to understand the subject. we can cut and paste quotes all day but when it comes down to it they really arent verry helpful. i serously doubt the person who wrote that stuff has any real knowlege of hcg being used in a steroid cycle or post cycle. and the claims are like the million other claims theres always another to contradict it. the truth comes from real experience. i dont think you have that here.
LOL!! Your right William Llewellyn has no idea what he's talking about.
LOL!! I'm running Hcg now and like before. I have used it correctly at 250 iu - 500iu e4d. During cycle. I have experience using it and have gave other advice on mixing it and injecting it first hand. Like I said before you or I are no doctors, but when a doctor gives advice and a doctor in the field of hormone recovery to boot gives advise that William quotes in his 9th edition I take his word. All I said was for the OP to take into consideration other peoples advice and to seek knowledge of his own. Just because you are doing 2 grams of Test a week doesn't mean you should advise 2 grams of Test a week. (I know you didn't advise that but its the same thing).
All in all you should use as LITTLE as possible of HCG to get results any more could and will do damage that is a known fact and has been stated by many others. You could be doing damage the way you do it and would never know. Unless you came fully clean and free of PCT then had your Test levels checked( I know you will say you have and they were g2g)
Now since I don't know anything I'll let you get back to your diet!
Mac173
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I would cut the deca about 2 wks before the prop and then start the HCG 2 or 3 days after the last prop injection. I prefer 500iu/day for 10 days. Whether you do that or 1000iu eod as previously suggested really doesn't matter. I'm sure your completely and utterly confused at this point due to the differing opinions, but there really isn't one and only clear cut way to run a pct; everyones different.
Good luck with your pct.
Good luck with your pct.
again you dont seem to understand. what is using correctly? you seem to think that the only correct method is yours. i will say it one last time 1000iu eod for 10 days (thats 5000iu total) works well and unlike you i have and have always had a doctor actually working with me. look through my posts if you dont belive me. im done with this back and forth crap now. i really could care less what you read on the net. good luck with all of that.
Mac173
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I don't know why you are getting so mad. I never said it WAS my way. It is the way it was taught to me by a pro power lifter. Then I have read what doctors have written on the subject. The subject is To much HCG or not right? I say it is, you say no. I have said we are not doctors.... So we will have to agree to disagree... I have read some of your posts, most I agree with.
And if your on TRT, whats the deal? did you hcg method not bring your levels back? Or did they damage them?
Mac173
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According to superdave you both must be on tren.
Mac173
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muuuuaaaaahhhhhh... you know I love you big guy!!
There ya go. Lol
