help with my tren e cycle

[csc1528]

so im new here never really posted on forums before but ive bought a 20ml trenbolone enanthate and i basically want to take it to get as strong as i can with the least amount of weight gain.

right now im 21 5'8 and weightin around 165 170. i have only takein like a epistane cycle and a extreme tren/hdrol cycle(had bad sides with this one)

So far everywhere i read is i ahould take some kind of test with it but i dont really want to because i dont want the added weight gain. and my friend recently took this and hes felt fine throughtout his cycle.

in like 4 months i plan on runnin the tren for ten weeks at 150mg twice a week.

and as for pct i can get everything needed (nolva,clomid,hcg) but the hcg is pretty expensive from where i can get it and i was wondering if i can do without hcg and just take nolva and clomid.
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
Correct dosing for this?????


any input would be greatly appreiciated

 

[C.K.]

You wont put on ANY fat whatsoever only quality muscle gain on a tren cycle so id do the opposite and eat as much as you can and get the most outta your cycle... and come on man a couple solid pounds along with the added strength wont hurt hehe

 

[sweed]

why not test for a first cycle.

 

[C.K.]

why not test for a first cycle.

he just said he didnt want the weight gain... im getting kinda sick of the non stop repetitious "test must be in every cycle" answers...

 

[csc1528]

i feel the test would blow me up to much from what ive seen with freinds. i know im gonna gain weight i just want to limit it to be all lean. my goal is to be very strong lb for lb.

 

[csc1528]

ck you know whether i can do without hcg? and does my dosing look ok for my weight?

 

[ConanX]

Tren should put size on you though. And if you had bad sides from a prohormone Tren, I would think the real deal would be much worse.

Drugs like Winny and Anavar won't really put much weight on yoou but will make you stronger and improve your build.

 

[csc1528]

i dont think it was the tren extreme as i took the the tren extreme with the epistane, im pretty sure it was the hdrol i was takin 75mgs a day and i just think that was a dose for a larger person. plus im pretty dead set on the tren as ive seen the strength gains from it and its from a good source. do u think there would be any prolactin issues with just takin tren and that pct?

 

[sweed]

so you're going to be in strongman, lifting competitions?
tren for a first cycle is bad, and as conanx said, if his sides were bad on the ph, then real tren could be bad as well. maybe just a test prop would be good. I don;t know because I've only done one cycle and it was test, but I ate a lot so I gained a lot.

 

[csc1528]

im 5'8 ya im gonna be a strongman......anyone got some helpful info about the hcg or somthin useful. it would help greatly as if i do have to get hcg i need to save lol

 

[csc1528]

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[jonny jacked]

to answer your question - should you use hcg post cycle? yes. can you get by without it? yes.

there are other supplements out there you can take. I have had luck with Nelsons products "post cycle" and (I forget the other one that goes with it...i'm sure someone can fill me in here).
also, things like tribulus can be used.

As someone who has beeen using AAS for the better part of a decade and who has multiple cycles under his belt, I can say that I highly prefer to use HCG throughout the cycle, rather than at the end. If you can prevent something from happening in the first place, you then negate the fact of having to deal with it later.

As far as what to use for your first cycle, it sounds like you are dead set on using tren. (hey, I love tren, and have used it several times with tremendous success), thus, I will not attempt to tell you to use otherwise.
whatever compound you use, as it is your first cycle, it is going to work the best (future cycles, will not quite match up - though still highly effective).
Just be sure to eat right (lots of protein), maybe some adex on hand 'just in case'. can prolactin be an issue? it can. will it for you? I cannot answer that. Time will tell.

 

[csc1528]

thx jonny so it looks like i would be better off just forkin over the money and gettin hcg.

And as with adex ive never heard of that what would i need that for just in case?

also my dosing of the tren e will it be fine to use 150mg twice a week because i think my tren e is 300mg/ml and its a 20 ml bottle. but i just need 10 ml of it if i take it like that for 10 weeks. should there be any reason to go higher or lower....

thx

 

[C.K.]

ck you know whether i can do without hcg? and does my dosing look ok for my weight?

Sounds perfect for your goals... and i never use hcg my balls never shrink lmao thank god

 

[csc1528]

ok so ive decided to get the hcg and take the cycle accordingly...
week 1-10 150mgs twice a week tren enanthate
week 3-10 250iu hcg every 4 days

PCT
week 10-14 clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

i have been reading about products from primordial performance and i was interested if i could run the Sustain Alpha ; Toco-8 ; and EndoAmp Max instead of takin the clomid and nolva or are those just somethin to take with the serms??

also a question about accutane if people find sucess with that while on cycle?

Any critiquing of my cycle be very helpful
thx

 

[needtogetaas]

Tren only cycle=garbage add test because you will not like having low test. Its going to make you feel like crap and I bet your dick stops working.
For god sakes do not use nolva for pct after ten and there is no need in the world to go above 50mg ed clomid for pct.
Add some Sustain Alpha to your pct and some test to your cycle.

Or find out the hard way if ya like.

Thank you

 

[C.K.]

For god sakes do not use nolva for pct after tren

I think after should be safe... just not during?

 

[csc1528]

needtogetaas-

so u think nolva should be cut out and i should change my clomid dosing to 50/50/50/50

and as for adding the test. my friend just finished his 15 week of tren e/ winstrol cycle has had no ED problems and he isnt takin any test...
would the winstrol make a difference or would it be the same as running the tren alone.

and with the sustain alpha... that the only one u think i should take outa ptimordial performance products?

thx

 

[csc1528]

ok so ive decided to get the hcg and take the cycle accordingly...
week 1-10 150mgs twice a week tren enanthate
week 3-10 250iu hcg every 4 days

PCT
week 10-14 clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

i have been reading about products from primordial performance and i was interested if i could run the Sustain Alpha ; Toco-8 ; and EndoAmp Max instead of takin the clomid and nolva or are those just somethin to take with the serms??

also a question about accutane if people find sucess with that while on cycle?

Any critiquing of my cycle be very helpful
thx

and c ould someone answer some of these questions????

 

[Dominator Human]

and c ould someone answer some of these questions????

I ran a Tren Ace only cycle 2 years ago before I did some research.

I would listen and add some Test to your cycle. Tren E will shut you down hard and it will take some time for it to get out of your system if you have bad side effects.

 

[csc1528]

ok so ive decided to get the hcg and take the cycle accordingly...
week 1-10 150mgs twice a week tren enanthate
week 3-10 250iu hcg every 4 days

PCT
week 10-14 clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

i have been reading about products from primordial performance and i was interested if i could run the Sustain Alpha ; Toco-8 ; and EndoAmp Max instead of takin the clomid and nolva or are those just somethin to take with the serms??

also a question about accutane if people find sucess with that while on cycle?

Any critiquing of my cycle be very helpful
thx

how would you build my pct for this cycle????

 

[jonny jacked]

csl - I forgot to add - you do need to run (at least a bit - 250mg/wk) of test, with a tren cycle.

I usually run 500mg/wk test enth. (or cyp) with the tren (at 50mg/ED) tren ace

Good luck!

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Accutane is the last thing you should try for bacne , and i would get your doc involved so they can keep a eye on your liver values .

For prolactating sides from tren you will need some dostinex on hand .

The rest looks ok but IMO its a bad cycle and will most likly shut you down very hard and make you feel like crap .

Good luck mate
Brad.

 

[csc1528]

Accutane is the last thing you should try for bacne , and i would get your doc involved so they can keep a eye on your liver values .

For prolactating sides from tren you will need some dostinex on hand .

The rest looks ok but IMO its a bad cycle and will most likly shut you down very hard and make you feel like crap .

Good luck mate
Brad.

so pit u think that taking the nolva is fine?? and if so is there any way i could substitute the nolva for CEL's Formestane as a AI.

also what do u think the chances of gettin prolactating sides are if i took a tren prohormone (Xtreme Tren) and i had no problems realating to those sides

thx

 

[Nomadic Dreamer]

he just said he didnt want the weight gain... im getting kinda sick of the non stop repetitious "test must be in every cycle" answers...

I tried tren/winny/ECA stack to lean out....tried it without test because I didn't really know any better.

I started getting strong sides after about 4 weeks...had to drop the tren and keep going with the winny/ECA.....back to normal instantly, so I wouldn't recommend going with tren and no test.

I'm going to give it a go again at some point, once I get the whole package down pat and I have everything back in order again.