Help with my friend's cycle

[Tatyana]

Being a nattie, I am not all that great with cycles (except for the sides bit ).

This is one of my training buddies cycles he wants to start in December.

He did have a problem with his test levels bottoming out, they are back in the normal range again.

I can't convince him NOT TO, so I just want him to be as sensible as possible.

He is 24, about 12% bodyfat, about 80 kg.

I have been helping him a lot with his diet, he does fall off of it everynow and then...........

Welsh boy, huge legs and calves, good back, working on bringing up his upper body.

W1-7 300mg NPP per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 300mg Masteron per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 40mg Anavar E/D
W1&2/5&6/9&10 Clenbuterol low-medium doses

W8 100mg Clomid E/D
W9 50mg Clomid E/D

He only wants to do a short cycle, and no test due to some of the other problems he had before.....

SOOOOOOOOOOO what do you guy's think?

 

[Tatyana]

He posted this up on a uk board, just there aren't that many lads on that board that know what they are doing IMHO

I'm using GL Masteron and Anavar, and Sci-Tech NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - . Clomid and Clenbuterol are pharma.

Alternating weights and cardio EOD, i.e. Monday chest routine, Tuesday running, Wednesday legs, Thursday x-trainer etc. etc.

Similarly, I will alternate my macros according to what I'm training:
weights day = 40% Carbs, 45% Protein, 15% Fat
cardio day = 30% Carbs, 45% Protein, 25% Fat

A key priority is to keep my hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - in check, hence modest length and no testosterone. I will start this first week of December, and am considering doing a hard two week Keto diet as a prelude.

Opinions appreciated....thanks..

 

[Breaking Genetics]

well I've never used NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - but if it shuts you down like decca then he is going to have libido and very very low test levels if he doesn't supplement with test. Why not a low level testosterone propionate dosage.

 

[gslben]

Might not need much P.C.T but if he is going to....

Clomid at 100 is unnecessary. I was prescribed it at 50mg M/W/F and my Test bounced right up but I was beyond emotional. I'd flick through the channels and if I happened upon one of those Animal Planet shows where animals had been abused I'd start crying like a 2yo.

50 ed for 7 days down to 50 eod for 7 then 50 e3d for 10 will get it done.

 

[iceman7230]

If he is already having test issues these compounds are going to supress his natural test even more.

I would take a low dose of 250mgs test e with this cycle in order to compensate. Or since he is already shooting mon, wed, fri use test prop at 100mgs with every shot.

What is his problem with using test?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

definitely should use some test, like iceman said test prop will do, put it in the same syringe as the npp to save some holes lol , and it should help with libido problems from npp as well.

peace

 

[holy ghost]

whaqt the hells up with his natty test if hes so young????

If he wants to be safe and SMART
1-10 primo 600mg schering or 1g ugl
1-8 Var 50mg ed
1-10 mast 300mg ew

FLAWLESS AND WAY SOFT ON YA !

 

[needtogetaas]

whaqt the hells up with his natty test if hes so young????

If he wants to be safe and SMART
1-10 Primobolan - methenolone - 600mg schering or 1g ugl
1-8 Anavar - oxandrolone - 50mg ed
1-10 mast 300mg ew

FLAWLESS AND WAY SOFT ON YA !

I think he should add some Proviron - mesterolone - to that or some reg dermacrin. I see sex drive problems. Also imo 10 weeks of primo is not long enough. O hell let me do one.

 

[holy ghost]

agreed!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

Being a nattie, I am not all that great with cycles (except for the sides bit ).

This is one of my training buddies cycles he wants to start in December.

He did have a problem with his test levels bottoming out, they are back in the normal range again.

I can't convince him NOT TO, so I just want him to be as sensible as possible.

He is 24, about 12% bodyfat, about 80 kg.

I have been helping him a lot with his diet, he does fall off of it everynow and then...........

Welsh boy, huge legs and calves, good back, working on bringing up his upper body.

W1-7 300mg NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 300mg Masteron per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 40mg Anavar E/D
W1&2/5&6/9&10 Clenbuterol low-medium doses

W8 100mg Clomid E/D
W9 50mg Clomid E/D

He only wants to do a short cycle, and no test due to some of the other problems he had before.....

SOOOOOOOOOOO what do you guy's think?

The cycle is fine. I would have him run hcg 500uis ew for the hole cycle, and 3 weeks out past the cycle. I think he should also add prov or dermacrin reg to the cycle. He should have letro and dostinex on hand as well. I dont like the pct though. Just way to much clomid and the pct is not long enough. After he has gone his 3 weeks out past the cycle with hcg he should start dermacrine sustain 5 pumps ed for 4 weeks along with 25mg clomid ed.

 

[eddymerckx]

Being a nattie, I am not all that great with cycles (except for the sides bit ).

This is one W1-7 300mg NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 300mg Masteron per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 40mg Anavar E/D
W1&2/5&6/9&10 Clenbuterol low-medium doses

W8 100mg Clomid E/D
W9 50mg Clomid E/D?

may need more than two weeks of clomid for p-c-t- --add nolavadex and stretch to 4 weeks.

also drop the clen while in p-c-t as it can eat some of his gains

 

[chazk]

Being a nattie, I am not all that great with cycles (except for the sides bit ).

This is one of my training buddies cycles he wants to start in December.

He did have a problem with his test levels bottoming out, they are back in the normal range again.

I can't convince him NOT TO, so I just want him to be as sensible as possible.

He is 24, about 12% bodyfat, about 80 kg.

I have been helping him a lot with his diet, he does fall off of it everynow and then...........

Welsh boy, huge legs and calves, good back, working on bringing up his upper body.

W1-7 300mg NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 300mg Masteron per week, as 1ml Mon, Wed and Fri.
W1-7 40mg Anavar E/D
W1&2/5&6/9&10 Clenbuterol low-medium doses

W8 100mg Clomid E/D
W9 50mg Clomid E/D

He only wants to do a short cycle, and no test due to some of the other problems he had before.....

SOOOOOOOOOOO what do you guy's think?

I personally would not run the clen I think its a waste.
I think primo would be a better choice then the deca.
W 1-10 primo 400mg a week
W 4-10 masteron 300mg per week mon ,wen,friday
W 6-10 anavar 40mg ed
W 10-11 100mg of clomid ed
W 12 50mg of clomid ed
Maybe adding a small amount of t3 to increase protien metabolism and
shed some extra fat.Not a whole lot maybe 40 mcg a day for the last 6 weeks
if he is trying to get down into the 6-8% bf range.

I just dont think 7 weeks will give him what he needs and 10 weeks will be great.
I suspect he might have a little gyno or something to make him stay away from test.I personally hate deca even NNP still cuases bloat and gyno in alot of guys and that seems just the opposite of what he wants to do .Looks like he is trying to gain lean muscle and achieve a "dense" look.

I think the cycle I posted above would be a excellent first cycle with minimal side effects.

But rember he is using Ug lab gear.So no telling if what is on the label is actually in the bottle .So make sure he has a anti estrogen handy just incase some one bottled regular old test becuase it was cheap into more expensive selling steroid vials.

 

[Tatyana]

Yes there has been a problem with his natural testosterone levels.

A couple of cycles, bad PCT, he ended up with the test levels of a woman.

He has also had some issues with gyno

 

[nzrodney]

I personally would not run the Clenbuterol I think its a waste.
I think Primobolan - methenolone - would be a better choice then the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - .
W 1-10 Primobolan - methenolone - 400mg a week
W 4-10 masteron 300mg per week mon ,wen,friday
W 6-10 anavar 40mg ed
W 10-11 100mg of clomid ed
W 12 50mg of clomid ed
Maybe adding a small amount of t3 to increase protien metabolism and
shed some extra fat.Not a whole lot maybe 40 mcg a day for the last 6 weeks
if he is trying to get down into the 6-8% bf range.

I just dont think 7 weeks will give him what he needs and 10 weeks will be great.
I suspect he might have a little gynecomastia or something to make him stay away from test.I personally hate Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - even NNP still cuases bloat and gynecomastia in alot of guys and that seems just the opposite of what he wants to do .Looks like he is trying to gain lean muscle and achieve a "dense" look.

I think the cycle I posted above would be a excellent first cycle with minimal side effects.

But rember he is using Ug lab gear.So no telling if what is on the label is actually in the bottle .So make sure he has a anti estrogen handy just incase some one bottled regular old test becuase it was cheap into more expensive selling steroid vials.

I like this option because the non aromatizable characteristics asociated with it although I have not had any experience with primobolin I understand that it & masteron are good together. Personally given you mans history I would be still inclined to use a longer ester of test at say 250mg PW to enhance growth potential & strength together with a mild AI to combat gyno problems.
Clen is not a drug that I would be playing around with on this cycle as it has numerous side effects even at low doses of 40-60mcg ED & it takes a while to get the body to adjust to it. However if used & if it is not tolerated too well you can train the body to its presence by doing a few days on then a few days off. ie small cycles.

 

[xrsist]

too many compounds imo for a first cycle, primo and var would be more than enough for a first cycle. esp if hes looking for lean gains. too much clomid, no need for any more than 50mg ED for 20-30 days. drop the clen also, nothing diet and cardio cant do. i agree with needto in saying that adding proviron or regular derma would be of benifit to him. get his diet spot on tatyana and he should do very well with this cycle.

cheers

 

[xrsist]

add masteron if its not his first cycle.. i was reading chazk post when i wrote my last post.. masteron primo and var would do him very well with everything else i have posted above

 

[Tatyana]

add masteron if its not his first cycle.. i was reading chazk post when i wrote my last post.. masteron Primobolan - methenolone - and Anavar - oxandrolone - would do him very well with everything else i have posted above

This will be his third or fourth cycle, I didn't put that in the initial one. Last cycle ended last December, then test levels bottomed out, when, not sure cause he didn't have blood work done till about May - June.

I'll get him to look at this site or pass this info along to him.