Help with dosages on a Anavar+TBOL stack

[kannekt]

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 70mg
WEEK8 TBOL 70mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

My question is, when should i take the tbol and anavar during the day? Should I do something like 30mg VAR/30mg TBOL 8AM then 30mg VAR/20mg TBOL?

I know that my lipids are going to take a hit with this cycle, would some tribex DURING the cycle help at all?

The reason that I chose to go with this stack is because of it's low sides. I am also predisposed to hair loss and intend to try and keep what i have left so doing a test based cycle was out of the question. My goals are to obtain 8-10lbs

 

[skullcrushin22]

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 70mg
WEEK8 TBOL 70mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

My question is, when should i take the tbol and anavar during the day? Should I do something like 30mg VAR/30mg TBOL 8AM then 30mg VAR/20mg TBOL?

I know that my lipids are going to take a hit with this cycle, would some tribex DURING the cycle help at all?

The reason that I chose to go with this stack is because of it's low sides. I am also predisposed to hair loss and intend to try and keep what i have left so doing a test based cycle was out of the question. My goals are to obtain 8-10lbs

2 orals at one time is a no no which your going to hear from everyone here. Your liver isnt going to be happy and your lipid panel is going to be garbage, also one of the sides of tbol is hairloss.

 

[kannekt]

2 orals at one time is a no no which your going to hear from everyone here. Your liver isnt going to be happy and your lipid panel is going to be garbage, also one of the sides of tbol is hairloss.

Yes i know taking 2 orals is a bit harsh on my liver BUT one of the orals is anavar which is low in toxicity and tbol is possibly the second mildest oral out there. As far as my lipid panel goes, yeah I am a bit worried but i know if i run a strict diet i'll be fine. All steroids affect your hair, how much depends on how androgenic the particular steroid is. Anavar and TBOL have the lowest androgenic to anabolic ratio of any steroid so that's why i chose to incorporate it in my cycle. So i would double check that if i were you. Also here is a thread from this forum on TBOL and hairloss. For the most part everyone thought it didn't affect hair loss at all.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...rum/oral-turinabol-hair-loss-poll-584303.html

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

how old are you bro? I've done a few cycles in my lifetime and I'll tell you that with proper eating habits, dedicated training, and a little var will take you a long way.

 

[kannekt]

Whats up PE, 23...What was your diet like?

 

[cop]

what where you previous cycles??? do you really need to go so high??? why not 30/30 and see what it does...
keep us updated bro

 

[Trendsetter21]

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 70mg
WEEK8 TBOL 70mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

My question is, when should i take the tbol and anavar during the day? Should I do something like 30mg VAR/30mg TBOL 8AM then 30mg VAR/20mg TBOL?

I know that my lipids are going to take a hit with this cycle, would some tribex DURING the cycle help at all?

The reason that I chose to go with this stack is because of it's low sides. I am also predisposed to hair loss and intend to try and keep what i have left so doing a test based cycle was out of the question. My goals are to obtain 8-10lbs

Without knowing your age or history my first advice would be do more research. With just looking at this if you do take 2 orals at once lower the dosage so it doesn't destroy your liver.

 

[kannekt]

what where you previous cycles??? do you really need to go so high??? why not 30/30 and see what it does...

I did an Anavar only cycle last year. 50mg ED for 6 Weeks. I wouldn't consider my dosages "too" high. People on the forums have done higher and for longer periods of time without seeing any signs of side effects.

Without knowing your age or history my first advice would be do more research. With just looking at this if you do take 2 orals at once lower the dosage so it doesn't destroy your liver.

Whats up trend I'm 23 with one cycle under my belt (anavar only 50mg ED for 6 weeks). Like I said above these 2 orals are rather mild on the liver especially anavar. I've done research on the topic and if your going to pick any 2 orals to do at the same time it's going to be these 2. I'm also taking some alpha lipoic acid to help my liver during this cycle, so I'm sure that's going to help a bit.

 

[layinback]

once again

will you please post your age, length of training and relevant stats?

after you do this, plenty of help will come your way

 

[kannekt]

once again

will you please post your age, length of training and relevant stats?

after you do this, plenty of help will come your way

Age: 23
Height 6'1
Weight: 190
Lifting: 5 years

 

[layinback]

Age: 23
Height 6'1
Weight: 190
Lifting: 5 years

young man that is a combined 110 mg

too much in my opinion.


yes, oxandrolone is relatively safe in low doses but these are not low doses

it seems you are trying to get around injects and the irony is the injects

would be much safer.

if you have made up your mind to run this cycle nothin i can say to

convince you otherwise. i can't condone it.

 

[skullcrushin22]

At 6'1 190 gaining 8-10lbs with a solid diet would be a breeze. Im 6'2 and at one point I weighed 185lbs now I am around 218 just measured my bf couple days ago at 13%. I did it all natty. Just sayin.


Your going to do what your going to do. Just be safe!

 

[centy]

What did your liver ever do to you?

 

[kannekt]

Maybe ill knock it down to 60var/40tbol equaling 100mg ED for 6 weeks. I came up with this cycle by doing research on several boards. Most of them recommended this dose. I can see where you guys are coming from if i was taking 2 hard orals at the same time like a dbol and winny or even halotestin. But these 2 orals are pretty safe and I'm only going to be on them for 6 weeks.

 

[centy]

Those orals are not 'safe.' What is that supposed to mean? They will obliterate your lipids just like anabol or dianabol. And they are no less hepatoxic.

 

[dabuffguy]

WEEK1: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK2: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK3: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK4: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK5: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK6: TBOL 50mg ED/VAR 60mg ED
WEEK7: TBOL 70mg
WEEK8 TBOL 70mg

PCT - NOLVADEX + CLOMID

WEEK9: NOLVADEX 40mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK10: NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED
WEEK11:NOLVADEX 20mg ED/CLOMID 50mg ED

My question is, when should i take the tbol and anavar during the day? Should I do something like 30mg VAR/30mg TBOL 8AM then 30mg VAR/20mg TBOL?

I know that my lipids are going to take a hit with this cycle, would some tribex DURING the cycle help at all?

The reason that I chose to go with this stack is because of it's low sides. I am also predisposed to hair loss and intend to try and keep what i have left so doing a test based cycle was out of the question. My goals are to obtain 8-10lbs

tbol 60mg, var 40mg. I ran this cycle for 6 weeks and gained 12 lbs that I have kept, and I continue to build upon

People run 150mg plus with anadrol. 100mg total with var and tbol isn't as bad as people say. Get your bloodwork done just to make sure everything is in check and you'll be fine.

After my cycle, my hdl was stil 26. Some people get it into the single digits. I eat really healthy though.

 

[kannekt]

Those orals are not 'safe.' What is that supposed to mean? They will obliterate your lipids just like anabol or dianabol. And they are no less hepatoxic.

I know my lipids are going to take a hit but I'm also taking red yeast rice and slow release niacin. Anavar is the least hepatoxic oral there and tbol is slightly higher than var but not by much so they are roughly the same.

tbol 60mg, var 40mg. I ran this cycle for 6 weeks and gained 12 lbs that I have kept, and I continue to build upon

People run 150mg plus with anadrol. 100mg total with var and tbol isn't as bad as people say. Get your bloodwork done just to make sure everything is in check and you'll be fine.

After my cycle, my hdl was stil 26. Some people get it into the single digits. I eat really healthy though.

Yeah i plan to get blood work done as soon as my cycle is over with. My goal is 10lbs so will see if i match it ;o. How did you find your strength gains to be?

 

[funkyfresh]

Like the others have already said, I wouldn't advice running two orals together.

Just pick one or the other.

Do you take Finastride? I know many guys who are prone to MPB and have done test based cycles very effectively with no hairloss using a good prevention stack including finastride.

This doesn't mean you have to run a high dose of test. I'm talking like 250mg EW.

 

[kannekt]

Like the others have already said, I wouldn't advice running two orals together.

Just pick one or the other.

Do you take Finastride? I know many guys who are prone to MPB and have done test based cycles very effectively with no hairloss using a good prevention stack including finastride.

This doesn't mean you have to run a high dose of test. I'm talking like 250mg EW.

After awhile i guess you just have to listen to fellow BB's. I guess I'll split up the orals and do tbol first and anavar in 4-5 months. Well i have 350 tabs of tbol, would a 70mg ED cycle for 8 weeks be good?

 

[dabuffguy]

I know my lipids are going to take a hit but I'm also taking red yeast rice and slow release niacin. Anavar is the least hepatoxic oral there and tbol is slightly higher than var but not by much so they are roughly the same.



Yeah i plan to get blood work done as soon as my cycle is over with. My goal is 10lbs so will see if i match it ;o. How did you find your strength gains to be?

bench rep weight went up 50 lbs, DB press weight was up 30 lbs per hand. Lat pull down weight increased 75 lbs. Strength gains were good. not phenomenal compared to tren, halo or even dbol but were still pretty damn good. Haven't taken tren or halo, but I have done dbol and the strength gained of dbol is much greater than the tbol/var stack I took.

 

[kannekt]

Yeah i would imagine so but it's harder to retain your gains on dbol. What was your dosage like?

 

[dabuffguy]

Yeah i would imagine so but it's harder to retain your gains on dbol. What was your dosage like?

I'm tired of hearing that you'll lose all your gains on dbol.

Let's define "gains".

Gains = Solid muscle mass + increase in strength.

Fat and water weight are not gains.



What muscle you gain from dbol you will keep IF your caloric intake remains high to keep that body weight Post cycle. You will however drop 10+ pounds of water quickly and strength will decrease some over time just like with any steroid really, but the muscle mass you gain from dbol will stay. Over 6 weeks, you could gain lots of solid muscle, plus 15 more pounds of water and fat, only if your diet sucks and you don't do cardio. If you have a good diet and cardio, you can cut on dbol instead of bulk. I advise this because it will help eliminate stretch marks as well. The extra fat and water are useless and unhealthy to your body anyway.

 

[manboy]

you should check out how niacin is on the liver; consideration with what your taking