HELP! What's causing this?

[marvelous54]

The last 3 days about an hour after my workout I have gotten really light headed, elevated heart rate, and I've been extremely irritable (more bitchy than raging, dont think it's the test). It has been lasting for about 8-10 hrs. I just wanted to lay everything out for you guys and see if you could maybe pinpoint something that could be causing these symptoms. I just started the sust 2 weeks ago.

Below are my stats, goals, gear, diet and supplements for this cycle.

31yrs old
5'10
240
16%

Goals are to be around 215 8-10%bf.

I am using a hybrid ketogenic diet (TKD/CKD). I am taking Glucorell-R (2 per/meal) with my weekend carb loading phase.

LBM = Protein intake on all days accept for the day before the Carb-up. I drop them to 100 on that day to make certain my body is in ketosis. This way when I start to carb-up my body uses the carbs + Glucorell-R to refill glycogen and continue to use fat for energy. The first two days of the week the carbs are kept below 20 because the carb reloading phase will be plenty to allow for two good workouts. For days 3-5 carbs are kept at 25-50 consumed 30-60 minutes pre-workout (none PWO and only Pre-WO when needed). This should be enough to boost workout performance and not hinder the effects of the ketogenic diet.

Diet

Day Cal/day Fat Protein Carbs
1 2400 170 200 >20
2 2400 170 200 >20
3 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout (I only use carbs pre- workout if I feel like I need the energy)
4 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout
5 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout
6 2400 215 100 >20
7 3700 >35 200 650 (Carb-up)

Cycle

Sust - 550mg/wk wks1-12
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15
Clen - wks 1-12 (2wks on & 2wks off)
Trib - 1500mg/ed wks12-15

PCT starting 3 weeks after last Sust inj.

Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks16-19
Clomid - 100mg/ed wks16-17 (300mg day 1 only), 50mg/ed for wks 18-19
Trib - 2500mg/ed for wks16-19

I am also supplementing with Creatine (10g/PWO), Nac (1200mg/ed), Taurine (3g/ed), Potassium (1g/ed), B-6 (300mg/ed), Multivitamin (MegaMen), Fish Oils (3g), Flax (3g), Saw-P (500mg/ed) and Tylers Liver Detox, Milk Thistle. Water = 1gal/ed

 

[dilznik]

How are you taking your sust @ 550mg? How the hell do you find time to take all those supplements?

 

[marvelous54]

How are you taking your sust @ 550mg? How the hell do you find time to take all those supplements?

Andropen 275

I use vita holders and prepare everything on Sunday for the rest of the week.

 

[schneiderc2004]

The symptoms you are describing can be a combo of the gear + clen. You can feel lightheaded cause of high BP. Another factor could be that the gear is not very "clean", or the supplements you are taking can cause some of the symptoms. I always think that is better to try one thing at the time to see what kind of symptoms you get.

 

[Sanel27]

Bro, got to take care of yourself....................if you dont nobody will

Have you done blood tests before the cycle. How was your cholesterol, blood pressure and what was your heartbeat before?

I would think that its a combo of clen + creatine that is elevating your blood pressure, and also all of that tribulus combined with sust isnt helping lower the BP.

I would up the cardio at a bit lower pace to keep the heartbeat rate at 80% and keep that up for a few weeks, take some cranberry extract as well as garlic extract (they help with BP) and ease up on Clenbuterol, that seems to me to be the main culprit, but thats just me........another opinion...

Wish you all the best bro, and as i said, try and take care of yourself......

 

[chestmaster1]

Did you just start doing that diet? It's probably the change in diet, i know i get more irritible when I'm not eating as much as usual

 

[Mr.X]

The last 3 days about an hour after my workout I have gotten really light headed, elevated heart rate, and I've been extremely irritable (more bitchy than raging, dont think it's the test). It has been lasting for about 8-10 hrs. I just wanted to lay everything out for you guys and see if you could maybe pinpoint something that could be causing these symptoms. I just started the sust 2 weeks ago.

It's Low blood sugar. You might be hypoglycemic, and with a CKD/TKD mix and workout, you BS levels are dropping too much. You might want to consider adding carbs before, and after your workout, followed by a full meal in an hour (carbs included). How are your timing your meals Post workout?

 

[RADAR]

It's Low blood sugar. You might be hypoglycemic, and with a CKD/TKD mix and workout, you BS levels are dropping too much. You might want to consider adding carbs before, and after your workout, followed by a full meal in an hour (carbs included). How are your timing your meals Post workout?

Yep ! I agree

RADAR

 

[jaybois]

agressive momentum...

 

[maldorf]

It's Low blood sugar. You might be hypoglycemic, and with a CKD/TKD mix and workout, you BS levels are dropping too much. You might want to consider adding carbs before, and after your workout, followed by a full meal in an hour (carbs included). How are your timing your meals Post workout?

yeah, I would say hypoglycemia. I would really be sure to take in some carbs post workout. The workout is using up what bloodsugar you do have.

 

[scout69]

It's Low blood sugar. You might be hypoglycemic, and with a CKD/TKD mix and workout, you BS levels are dropping too much. You might want to consider adding carbs before, and after your workout, followed by a full meal in an hour (carbs included). How are your timing your meals Post workout?

I would also have to agree here, I get light headed sometimes but it's usually due to dehydration, NOw if you rule that out I would deffinately go get your blood sugar levels checked

 

[racoon_city]

what the fuck is a hybrid ckd/tkd??

 

[BrothaBill]

When was the last time you got a checkup at a physician?
It doesnt sound like anything serious but if its been a long time since you went to a physician (being guys that dont go for years at times). Then its never a bad idea to go and have some work done.
Although one can never say on the internet, it is highly unlikely statistically that it is a heart issue but I have seen anomalies but really not likely. Heart rate hits a hundred a hundred times a day is what I was taught.
Not familiar with the hybrid ketogenic diet but bloodsugar should not be an issue if you are in ketosis b/c to get there you have to deplete glycogen stores til you reach ketosis where you burn ketone bodies (the byproduct of fat breakdown) instead of glucose for energy. If you are cheating then bouncing back between burning glucose then ketones. Well thats the shitty part of going into ketosis being repeated over and over again, not sure if feeling like shit is part of the hybrid diet while you stay in perpetual transition state between using sugar for energy vs. fat(ketone bodies)
That is my take on that but again I am not familiar with the hybrid stuff or what people are saying about it.
Just work hard and take your vitamins brotherrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Mr.X]

what the fuck is a hybrid ckd/tkd??

CKD, full ketosis with pre-workout carbs, and 2 days of a refeed instead of 1 with straight ckd.

 

[BrothaBill]

CKD, full ketosis with pre-workout carbs, and 2 days of a refeed instead of 1 with straight ckd.

does it work?

 

[Mr.X]

does it work?

Hybrid diets are varible from person to person. The CKD is a lot more standard.

When you start making hybrid diets you run the risk of the diet not working for the particular person, so it has to be changed or reworked. Hybrid diets do work, just think of the isocaloric diet combined with the anabolic diet, great combo.

 

[marvelous54]

nm

 

[marvelous54]

Hey X, I got my bp cuff today and it is ridiculous. My bp normally runs around 90/65. It's 160/98 right now. I am cutting out the sodium and gonna keep close watch onit pre and pwo. Do you think I need to drop the test or just keep an eye on the bp. Im suppose to inj in the morning.

 

[SwolK]

just as X and Radar said, hypoglycemic.
I am hypogylyemic and when i do low carbs i get every side you mentioned

 

[cboogsrun]

Hey X, I got my bp cuff today and it is ridiculous. My bp normally runs around 90/65. It's 160/98 right now. I am cutting out the sodium and gonna keep close watch onit pre and pwo. Do you think I need to drop the test or just keep an eye on the bp. Im suppose to inj in the morning.

GOTDAM! That is high. There are natty supps that help regulate bp. My bp was a bit high a week ago or so. I dropped my dose down a smidge and that took it down to 120/72 from 143/85. Take care

BOOGS

 

[AAP]

some people feel the same way on clen.

 

[Mr.X]

Hey X, I got my bp cuff today and it is ridiculous. My bp normally runs around 90/65. It's 160/98 right now. I am cutting out the sodium and gonna keep close watch onit pre and pwo. Do you think I need to drop the test or just keep an eye on the bp. Im suppose to inj in the morning.

Like I told you in my PM, it's VERY important for you to change up your diet. You have to cut out the 1000s of mgs of sodium you're taking in.

 

[RADAR]

Hey X, I got my bp cuff today and it is ridiculous. My bp normally runs around 90/65. It's 160/98 right now. I am cutting out the sodium and gonna keep close watch onit pre and pwo. Do you think I need to drop the test or just keep an eye on the bp. Im suppose to inj in the morning.

Don't make a call on one reading take a reading in the morning ,noon and afternoon and see what the concenuous is.
Do this for a few days ,then you will know if you have a problem.

RADAR

 

[marvelous54]

Ive noticed my face gets hot and red about 10 minutes after I take my liquidex. Could this be the cause?

 

[Mr.X]

Ive noticed my face gets hot and red about 10 minutes after I take my liquidex. Could this be the cause?

The sodium is most likely the cause. You're taking in so much canned food and processed food (from our conversation) that I'm surprised you didn't experience this problem earlier. Keep in mind, you didn't have the BP problem before your high sodium intake went wild.

 

[marvelous54]

Thanks bro. How long on the low sodium diet before I should see my bp dropping?

 

[BrothaBill]

Hey X, I got my bp cuff today and it is ridiculous. My bp normally runs around 90/65. It's 160/98 right now. I am cutting out the sodium and gonna keep close watch onit pre and pwo. Do you think I need to drop the test or just keep an eye on the bp. Im suppose to inj in the morning.

Hey ya, I have some knowledge of cardiovascular disease b/c I do it for a living. Thing is that is pretty high. That is right about the cutoff to run a stress test, judgement call but 170-180 for a systolic (top number) and concerns of brain attack (bleeding stroke) from a dormant aneurysm. Not common just a less get it under control before an exam is done.

The reason why is with exercise, the systolic number goes up. SO on a treadmill a 160 may go up past 200. Not good for the brain vessels. The diastolic generally goes down (bottom number) and systolic drop with exercise may be a sign of significant coronary disease.

The thing is, is that, well bp fluctuates quite a bit. Ive seen it go all over. I mean I take bps all the time. Then retake them after chatting with the person and what was elevated is then normal.

So a single high bp reading is a red flag but not necessarily a problem. What is general recommendation is to have a blood pressure profile performed. This is the patient's responsibility. Mainly because of "whitecoat syndrome" where their bp goes up in a doctor's office b/c of anxiety.

Thing is, get it done every day for a few weeks. Most clinics will do a bp for free if you ask. Just record it on a note for your physician or go to your local firestation. We recommend that all the time for elder patients on a fixed income.
Dont use the pharmacy store bp machines and there is a problem with weightlifters b/c they have large arms requiring using the thigh cuff (larger). Too small a cuff will give an artificially inflated reading on a bodybuilder.

So, steps are these. See a physician.

 

[Only1eagle]

It's Low blood sugar. You might be hypoglycemic, and with a CKD/TKD mix and workout, you BS levels are dropping too much. You might want to consider adding carbs before, and after your workout, followed by a full meal in an hour (carbs included). How are your timing your meals Post workout?

I am currently cutting and trying to use up more BF then carbs so lowering my carbs.

I get the same thing as the OP. Would just adding dextrose to my zero carb protein shake post workout keep this from happening?

Went to doc and BP was 133/68

 

[immortalis]

The last 3 days about an hour after my workout I have gotten really light headed, elevated heart rate, and I've been extremely irritable (more bitchy than raging, dont think it's the test). It has been lasting for about 8-10 hrs. I just wanted to lay everything out for you guys and see if you could maybe pinpoint something that could be causing these symptoms. I just started the sust 2 weeks ago.

Below are my stats, goals, gear, diet and supplements for this cycle.

31yrs old
5'10
240
16%

Goals are to be around 215 8-10%bf.

I am using a hybrid ketogenic diet (TKD/CKD). I am taking Glucorell-R (2 per/meal) with my weekend carb loading phase.

LBM = Protein intake on all days accept for the day before the Carb-up. I drop them to 100 on that day to make certain my body is in ketosis. This way when I start to carb-up my body uses the carbs + Glucorell-R to refill glycogen and continue to use fat for energy. The first two days of the week the carbs are kept below 20 because the carb reloading phase will be plenty to allow for two good workouts. For days 3-5 carbs are kept at 25-50 consumed 30-60 minutes pre-workout (none PWO and only Pre-WO when needed). This should be enough to boost workout performance and not hinder the effects of the ketogenic diet.

Diet

Day Cal/day Fat Protein Carbs
1 2400 170 200 >20
2 2400 170 200 >20
3 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout (I only use carbs pre- workout if I feel like I need the energy)
4 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout
5 2400 155 200 50 pre-workout
6 2400 215 100 >20
7 3700 >35 200 650 (Carb-up)

Cycle

Sust - 550mg/wk wks1-12
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15
Clen - wks 1-12 (2wks on & 2wks off)
Trib - 1500mg/ed wks12-15

PCT starting 3 weeks after last Sust inj.

Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks16-19
Clomid - 100mg/ed wks16-17 (300mg day 1 only), 50mg/ed for wks 18-19
Trib - 2500mg/ed for wks16-19

I am also supplementing with Creatine (10g/PWO), Nac (1200mg/ed), Taurine (3g/ed), Potassium (1g/ed), B-6 (300mg/ed), Multivitamin (MegaMen), Fish Oils (3g), Flax (3g), Saw-P (500mg/ed) and Tylers Liver Detox, Milk Thistle. Water = 1gal/ed

hmmm... Are you Married?
My wife makes me irritable as hell!

 

[Jon79]

def its the clen

 

[marvelous54]

Hey ya, I have some knowledge of cardiovascular disease b/c I do it for a living. Thing is that is pretty high. That is right about the cutoff to run a stress test, judgement call but 170-180 for a systolic (top number) and concerns of brain attack (bleeding stroke) from a dormant aneurysm. Not common just a less get it under control before an exam is done.

The reason why is with exercise, the systolic number goes up. SO on a treadmill a 160 may go up past 200. Not good for the brain vessels. The diastolic generally goes down (bottom number) and systolic drop with exercise may be a sign of significant coronary disease.

The thing is, is that, well bp fluctuates quite a bit. Ive seen it go all over. I mean I take bps all the time. Then retake them after chatting with the person and what was elevated is then normal.

So a single high bp reading is a red flag but not necessarily a problem. What is general recommendation is to have a blood pressure profile performed. This is the patient's responsibility. Mainly because of "whitecoat syndrome" where their bp goes up in a doctor's office b/c of anxiety.

Thing is, get it done every day for a few weeks. Most clinics will do a bp for free if you ask. Just record it on a note for your physician or go to your local firestation. We recommend that all the time for elder patients on a fixed income.
Dont use the pharmacy store bp machines and there is a problem with weightlifters b/c they have large arms requiring using the thigh cuff (larger). Too small a cuff will give an artificially inflated reading on a bodybuilder.

So, steps are these. See a physician.

Ive been checking in the am and pm and it has ran around 160/100 for the last couple of days. My face is red as a beat but it doesn't stay that way all the time. BTW I never started the clen. I was going to start it this week but I knew that wouldn't be smart.

 

[marvelous54]

Should I take a water pill?

 

[bilter]

this is just me but at a minimum I would lower the dose of test (if not stop it all together until you figure out whats going on). As fas the water pill if you're taking lquidex you should not be holding a lot of water from the test. Your next step need to be to figure out what is causing the high BP and eliminate the cause.

 

[cat_fish]

It's Low blood sugar.

Thats exactly what I thought. My ex wife used to get the same way if she missed a meal, thats one of the main reason why she's my EX-wife!

 

[AAP]

def its the clen

and he hasn't even touched that subject yet... what is our advice for here?

 

[marvelous54]

and he hasn't even touched that subject yet... what is our advice for here?

You need to read my posts. I appreciate all the advice I get on here but I have discussed it with X and I have posted that I am not taking the clen. I had originally scheduled to do my first two weeks starting this week but I didnt for obvious reasons.

I have covered the blood sugar issue, the clen issue and now I've switched my diet to low sodium, low fat and it has actually dropped about 10 points this evening from where it had been running the last couple of days.

I don't just ask for advice to see how many people will reply.

 

[marvelous54]

You need to read my posts. I appreciate all the advice I get on here but I have discussed it with X and I have posted that I am not taking the clen. I had originally scheduled to do my first two weeks starting this week but I didnt for obvious reasons.

I have covered the blood sugar issue, the clen issue and now I've switched my diet to low sodium, low fat and it has actually dropped about 10 points this evening from where it had been running the last couple of days.

I don't just ask for advice to see how many people will reply.

2 days of low sodium/low fat diet and my bp is down to 140/93. By no means good but it's a bunch better than it was 2 days ago.