HELP w/Test Cyp brew

[richardj]

Can anyone provide step by step on cyp conversion.
I have tried several times to make cyp 250g/ml using:

BA, BB. Grapeseed oil

BA & BB are supposed to dissolve powder. It stays milky and grainy. Even with a touch of heat. Afraid to go OVER 212 degrees to ruin effect of mixture.

Please help as I am WASTING much powder.

Thank you!!!

Rich

 

[zedhed]

Use 2/20% for your Ba/Bb.
Combine Ba, Bb and oil.
Put on heat till completely clear.
Then add powder, stir constantly. Add just a teaspoon or 2 at a time.
After you have all the powder added contine to let cook and stir for another several minutes
Let it cool enough to handle and then filter
Dispense into vials and you should be all set.
Good luck and let us know.

 

[richardj]

Zed,

Thanks for the reply. I have been adding the powder to the BA/BB THEN heating. It is great under the heat-all is melted and quite liquid. It is after I remove that it begins to turn into a gel, then finally a white Sludge.

I just don't see what dif it will make as the core material is not remaining liquid before adding the oil.

Rich

 

[zedhed]

IDK the answer bro but I know it works for me. Sorry cant be more scinetific about it for you.
Maybe it has to do with the solvents being mixed better??
Like that thumbnail too.

Cyp is not easy to brew any way you do it. I much prefer Enth. As far as how you feel on either, its identical or dam near.

 

[stiphy]

there is a conversion calculator that you can use just to make sure you have your %s of oil, test, ba, and bb correct. have you checked that?

 

[richardj]

I do not know of this. Please give directions as to where one might find one of these calculators.

Thanks

 

[stiphy]

I tried to post the web address but it wouldnt let me because i dont have 25 posts yet.

PM sent.

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Of course it is not going to remain a liquid until after you add the oil. The oil also dissolves the test cyp, you can't expect that amount of BA and BB to dissolve all that test cyp on its own. Add the oil! I actually can't really understand why you haven't done that.
like zedhead said "Combine Ba, Bb and oil." heat that, and dissolve the powder.

 

[richardj]

So sorry for misunderstanding. I have indeed combined all liquids. I have added more oil to my mix and reheated. Still coagulates back to solid. GRRR!!

BTW, Oxandrolone, How many mg do you take on daily basis. I am about 220lbs, and have this stuff in powder form.

Rich

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Ahh sorry, I didn't realize you had tried that...it sounded like you hadn't yet added the oil. In that case, I am not sure why it won't stay in solution, it should if the ratios are correct...are you sure of your calculations? what about the powder itself..how confident are you in the powder?
To be fair, I've never bothered trying to brew up cypionate, since I get enanthate cheaper, and it is easier to work with.
Maybe try making it up at 200mg/mL? it should definitely hold at that strength. Another reason I prefer enanthate...I can easily make it 400mg/mL.
My current cycle is Test Enanthate, EQ, and Deca...all of which I have made from the raw materials. (lots of mgs, but not on a daily basis hehe)
I hope you can get this working for you, would be awfully frustrating to be wasting materials.

 

[stiphy]

Have you used your powder source before? Powder might be the problem.

 

[zedhed]

Bro you might try reducing your oil 50% and make that up with EO. That might do it for you. Cyp is just plain a bitch and thats all there is to it. Am sorry that its costing you like this bro.

 

[EonWheels]

Zed is on the $$!

Home brewing isn't rocket science but shouldn't be minimized either...

The overall process is: Add solvents and several ML's oil heat until cloudy than add more oil slowly until almost all of you're oil is used KEEP the mixture warm while filtering... It is essential that your solution be clear prior to filtering; if it isn't odds are: 1) your powder wasn't dry! 2) your mixture requires MORE solvent! EO is an absolute must if trying to suspend any home brew over 75mg/ml!!!

Just my 2CC's

~E

 

[goin on 4T]

Zed is on the $$!

EO is an absolute must if trying to suspend any home brew over 75mg/ml!!!

Not to sure on that one, unless its a short ester even then 100 isn't that hard and it shouldn't require EO and for long esters not unless its over 200 for cyp and 300 for enan.

 

[Mr. dB]

Can anyone provide step by step on cyp conversion.
I have tried several times to make cyp 250g/ml using:

BA, BB. Grapeseed oil

BA & BB are supposed to dissolve powder. It stays milky and grainy. Even with a touch of heat. Afraid to go OVER 212 degrees to ruin effect of mixture.

Please help as I am WASTING much powder.

Thank you!!!

Rich

Cyp takes a lot more heat to get it to suspend, if you're used to brewing enan, eq, deca, and other easy stuff. You don't have to go much hotter, but you'll have to go longer on the stove. Cyp has a higher melting temperature.

 

[richardj]

Will try again. After dissolving all of the above, as it cools the cyp rehardens into rocks.

 

[goin on 4T]

What temp do you bring it too before adding oil? (when its powder, BA and BB)?
How long do you keep it at that temp?
What are your ratios?

 

[Mr. dB]

You heat it before adding oil? I never did. I started with "powder" in a beaker, squirted in the BA and BB with a syringe to measure it accurately, added the oil, then took it all to the stove and heated the beaker in a pan of water. Seemed to work fine for me. The remnants of my last batch of cyp are still in perfect condition, four years later.

 

[goin on 4T]

BA and BB are not oils, so before the GS oil is added, the powder, BA and BB should be brought up to x? temp for a period of x? time.
That is what I am asking. What were his x?
I know what they should be.

 

[Mr. dB]

BA and BB are solvents, but who says the powder has to be melted before you can add the oil? There's not enough solvent to hold all the powder in suspension without the oil.

This ain't rocket science, I think you're trying to make it too complicated.

 

[goin on 4T]

First off this isn't about whose dick is longer, this is about helping the guy. I am sure you have done your share of chemestry and I am not a chemist.
Secondly, have you done it the way I mentioned above? I doubt it so now you are speculating.

 

[EonWheels]

Bro, be respectful! Even 4t and I disagree on various approaches / recipes but yet we remain respectful to one another. You came asking for help... Don't ask if you don't want to listen.

And without a doubt you must heat up your solution In order to get it to suspend before adding oil. My opinion your powder isnt dry or your temp isn't high enough..

E

 

[muscleaddiction]

Use 2/20% for your Ba/Bb.
Combine Ba, Bb and oil.
Put on heat till completely clear.
Then add powder, stir constantly. Add just a teaspoon or 2 at a time.
After you have all the powder added contine to let cook and stir for another several minutes
Let it cool enough to handle and then filter
Dispense into vials and you should be all set.
Good luck and let us know.

You make it sound so easy, like making pudding . Just reading up on home brewing and am hooked into giving it a go soon. Just doing research.

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[smartlooker_]

did test cyp 250 mg/ml around 5x already all without problems. could it be your powder source?

anyway, here's how i do it: i preheat oven to 200 to 250 F. ba, bb, gso is put on the beaker. then i add test cyp powder last. i place the beaker on the heated oven, wait till it dissolves completely around 15-20 minutes. then pass it through a filter,going into vials. i usually bake the vials for 2 hours and 15 minutes, just to make sure that the test cyp is completely dissolved. make sure the oven temp is not too high or the rubber stopper and needle (as vent) will melt, you want to avoid that.

the stovetop method is also good, tried it with no problems but i just find it too much work since water needs to be checked often as to keep it from drying

 

[sony190]

EO is NOT needed for cyp 250. Raw in beaker them add ba bb let sit 5 min put on stove top for 15 min then slowly add gso let heat med-low for 10 more min cool filter then done.

I would bet that your powder is the problem.

Also on top of that I agree that your ratios could be quite wrong : /