Help Me get under 6% bf

[getshredded]

I've tried everything from keto to dc... Nothing is working to drop me from 10% to 6%

I just got done doing keto with little good result.

Here is my proposed diet and supplimentation

breakfast: 2 packs of oatmeal and 3 whole eggs, 3 whites--flax oik

Snack: prot shake in soy milk w/flax

Snack: Fruit or low carb prot bar

Lunch: Lean meat plus source of good carb under 25g

Snack: nuts, peanutbutter, or another shake

Dinner: Lean meat plus a green veggie

Before bed: prot shake in water

Cut all carbs after 5:00pm

Supplimentation: Clen and T3 or ECA
r-ala before carbs
PLus a winny and eq

Oh and 30-45 minutes of cardio ed

What elese can i do? I am getting extremely frusterated, ive been trying to creep down to 6% for months now and i cant do it yet... Help me please

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

eesh if u wanna go below 6% get rid of the fruit and protein bars... remember sometimes it's down to genetics and what you are asking is no easy task!

You'll have to cut your calories too, were you cutting your calories in accordance with the weight / fat u lost? if not that's probably why you are stalled

 

[tiger88]

well genetics and well hate to say it but good ole' drugs.........i am NOT SAYING : GO OUT AND AND RUN CYCLE" just my imput on the final fat loss

 

[getshredded]

Well getting under six is another task of its own... But mainly i want to get down below 8% for right now, then go extreme to get under 6

 

[MuscleKSU]

no fruit, no bars, only unsweetened soymilk

watch your nut consumption too. I know from past diets I cannot get below 6% when I am still eating nuts.....try a little bit of flax....you will never overindulge in that.

Let me also add, the effort and dedication to get below 6% (while retaining muscle) and training hard is no fun. YOu probably won't enjoy too long once you are there, remember to take pics to remember it. Just my opinion.

Ryan

 

[juiceheadnyc]

Yeah unfortunately i think without drugs the body is designed to only go so high or so low and then the drugs have to take over to bring u to that next level without losing too much or gaining too much......

Try cutting out more carbs or maybe stop eating them earlier..

The trick for me is constantly trying different shyt until i get it rite.

Since everybody is different i think its a matter of just learning the basics, then trying different shyt to see what works best for u...

Good luck bro....

 

[geoffgarst]

It may just be genetics and less than 6% may be very difficult.

 

[Throwfarther25]

So wait you said first you have to get to 8%, then go extreme to get to six. IMO I think you should try and go as far naturally, then use the gear as a supplement. How long did you do the keto diet for?? I mean 4 % especially being from 10 to 6 that is going to take some real dedication. Good Luck

 

[Deleted member 33117]

6%? All I can say is diet (and a better one than you have), drugs and alot of cardio. I got to 4% for my first show. I used a ckd, a primo/winny/clen/t3 stack, weight trained 6 days a week and did a MINIMUL of one hour of cardio a day. Sometimes I did two hours. Honestly, it isn't easy to get ripped.

 

[getshredded]

It just pisses me off because my two best friends are both sitting at 6%bf and they eat smoothies and whataburger and drink every day.. No cardio ever and rarely workout anymore... I am bigger than them, but they blow me away with cuts.

I guess i will just bomb away with the diet, ala, yhimburn, nyc+, cardio and winny... As soon as i get there i will take some pictures and post up.

I will down alot of flax oil
soymilk is unsweetened
drop the fruit
cut the carbs earlier than 5:00

anything else?

 

[Him1]

Well, you can't combine the carbs and fats. Particularly, at breakfast, you have a ton of fat and a lot of carbs in the same meal, but, that was the only meal I looked at, if thats the only one, then thats only one meal you'll have to change for that reason anyway.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Well, you can't combine the carbs and fats. Particularly, at breakfast, you have a ton of fat and a lot of carbs in the same meal, but, that was the only meal I looked at, if thats the only one, then thats only one meal you'll have to change for that reason anyway.

Wow, I'm not going to retype my explination of his again... but ignore this silly idea of combining fat and carbs as somehow being a magic fat producing combination.

Here this will make it easier.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=255517

 

[Him1]

Well, I didn't read the thread you posted and I don't care. Here are the facts. Carbs produce insulin(you already know that as a carbophobic), and insulin shuttles nutrients into the body faster... ie, fat. It is not a good thing to combine the two in large amounts... especially when dieting, period.

 

[ohashi]

Cabrs don't produce insulin. They only elicit it's production as a response.

...and insulin shuttles nutrients into the body faster... ie, fat.

WTF? How is it "fat"?

 

[Him1]

Cabrs don't produce insulin. They only elicit it's production as a response.



WTF? How is it "fat"? [/QUOTE

Did you read the last 3-4 posts? Do you understand the context of what I said. When you eat many carbs and illicit insulin, the body shuttles nutrients, and when you combine fat into the meal(you starting to understand yet?) the fat is more quickly stored by the body, and since(just in case you need more clarification) fat has double the calories per gram as protein..... This is an undesireable consequence of the meal. Get it Ohashi?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Well, I didn't read the thread you posted and I don't care. Here are the facts. Carbs produce insulin(you already know that as a carbophobic), and insulin shuttles nutrients into the body faster... ie, fat. It is not a good thing to combine the two in large amounts... especially when dieting, period.

Not a carbaphobic LoL, I believe in cycleing carb loading and depleting. Anyway, you are wrong. The idea of not combining carbs and fat is unscientific, and is rediculous.

 

[Him1]

BBF, just so you'll know, I think you're cool. I know I come off as sarcastic half the time, and most of those times thats not how I intended it. I brought this up b/c we have disagreed a few times now, and I don't want any flaming going on.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Cabrs don't produce insulin. They only elicit it's production as a response.


WTF? How is it "fat"? [/QUOTE

Did you read the last 3-4 posts? Do you understand the context of what I said. When you eat many carbs and illicit insulin, the body shuttles nutrients, and when you combine fat into the meal(you starting to understand yet?) the fat is more quickly stored by the body, and since(just in case you need more clarification) fat has double the calories per gram as protein..... This is an undesireable consequence of the meal. Get it Ohashi?

Interesting theory. So are you saying if someone sat down and at a 1500 calorie meal they would gain more fat from eating it if it were 50% carbs and 50% fat, than if it were 100% carb calories?

 

[Him1]

Also, I want to clarify one more thing. I don't believe in keeping the two seperate completely, ie.. 40 P 30 C 0 F, or 40 P 0 C 25 F. If you have read any of my previous posts, you'd see that I follow 40/30/30 type diet ratios most of the time. He just had a LOT of fat and 60-75'ish grams of carbs in his breakfast. I know you don't agree w/ that. 2 packets of oatmeal 30g carbs each, 60 carbs+15 Fat from Flax and 15(at least ) fat from eggs.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

BBF, just so you'll know, I think you're cool. I know I come off as sarcastic half the time, and most of those times thats not how I intended it. I brought this up b/c we have disagreed a few times now, and I don't want any flaming going on.

Not a problem, it doesn't bother me. One of my best friends who I've known for 10 years is the same way. Very intelligent, he just sounds sarcastic and overly critical even when giving honest thoughtful advice. So I'm used to it, and I know what you are actually trying to say.

 

[Him1]

I couldn't have said it better. A hormone changed the way the body reacted. Hard to believe? You use hormones don't you? Does your body do things differently when using them?

Interesting theory. So are you saying if someone sat down and at a 1500 calorie meal they would gain more fat from eating it if it were 50% carbs and 50% fat, than if it were 100% carb calories?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Also, I want to clarify one more thing. I don't believe in keeping the two seperate completely, ie.. 40 P 30 C 0 F, or 40 P 0 C 25 F. If you have read any of my previous posts, you'd see that I follow 40/30/30 type diet ratios most of the time. He just had a LOT of fat and 60-75'ish grams of carbs in his breakfast. I know you don't agree w/ that. 2 packets of oatmeal 30g carbs each, 60 carbs+15 Fat from Flax and 15(at least ) fat from eggs.

I don't think a 40/30/30 diet is that bad btw. Not my prefered diet, but still, for alot of people that is a very good diet (btw this is what I study in college). I would disagree with his morning meal based soly on the calories. WAY too much in one sitting when cutting. We agree. He won't get to 5% body fat doing things like that.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Him, in the example I gave you actually would gain more bodyfat from the all carb meal. Much faster rate of absorbsion. MORE insulin (fat storage hormone being produced)... and insulin high insulin levels do not descriminate between glucose or fat in the bloodstream once it starts storing fat. Its all about hormones and hormone release. That is actually why your 40/30/30 diet works for you. It keeps insulin levels stable, and fairly low.

 

[Him1]

Ok, I still say no. In your example, if I took in 250g carbs(app 1000 cal's) and 55g fat, I would gain more fat. Many reasons that I've already stated.
This is your scenario as I see it. 1500 cal's from carbs. The carbs can be used for things such as replacing glycogen(x grams to be stored in muscle, to be burned as energy(x grams burned). Whereas fat is FAR less likely to be used in these ways. More insulin ILLICITED, yes, but, less overall calories left for storage.

Him, in the example I gave you actually would gain more bodyfat from the all carb meal. Much faster rate of absorbsion. MORE insulin (fat storage hormone being produced)... and insulin high insulin levels do not descriminate between glucose or fat in the bloodstream once it starts storing fat. Its all about hormones and hormone release. That is actually why your 40/30/30 diet works for you. It keeps insulin levels stable, and fairly low.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

With the rapid influx of carbs (due to no fat present to slow down the absorbsion), very little of it would be used for fuel, and only a small amount of it would replanish muscle gycogen unless one had just depleted their glycogen stores. In a higher insulin environment, carbs will tend to be stored in bodyfat and muscle tissue (until the glycogen stores are full). The insulin spike would already have cleared the system by the time the fat is actually digested and absorbed in the combined fat/carb meal, and the insulin release istelf would be much smaller, and more slowly released. Plus the all carb meal would lower blood serum levels of hgh and testosterone, which tend to create a poor environment for a favorable body composition.

 

[overhead]

BBF, are you saying that you would be better off eating fat with carbs than say eating a high fat meal, than say 30 minutes later eating high carbs causing the insulin spike? I probably would not do either, just curious.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

overhead, you wouldn't get a noticably different effect from the two actually. unless we are talking about very hi GI carbs. In which case, eating them together would be slightly less fattening.

 

[khavanin]

getshredded,
I think your body has adapted/adjusted to your hi protein/low carb diet. Switch to moderate carbs(complex) moderate protein/low fat diet for couple of weeks and you will see the difference.