Help, crashing hard during pct

[neilium21]

Ive been having problems with anxiety since i came off a 6 week finaplix cycle in march of 2009, my buddy gave me the pellets and said they were ok to eat, and at the time had had no knowledge about steroids use and proper pct...i ate 3 pellets every other day, and a couple weeks after i came off i started getting extreme anxiety and ill feelings that havent seemed to go away since. i just push myself through it now which is very tough at times but u get used to it.....

i just recently came off a 15 week cycle that i started with sustanon , cyp and a ph, and switched to prop tren and var at the end...ive been off for a week now and my anxiety is much worse, and i feel really depressed, i did 2 hcg shots, one my last week, and one with the last shot of tren/prop, and ive been on 40 mgs of nolvadex a day for 4 days...im also running bridge, creatine etc....

my workouts have gone pretty good, tho i hate being in the gym and im miserable, my strength is good, pumps are good, havent lost much except for water weight, erections are normal...but i feel terrrible, i dont kno what to do wtih myself, im out of work at the moment and am too afraid to apply for a job, having trouble sleeping, terrible nightmares i cant seem to shake when i wake up etc... help

 

[DJ_UFO]

How old are you?
Your mistakes in life are suitable for a 10 year old children. Are you confessing that after consuming poison and getting sick, you went ahead and tried it again? and now you ask for "help"? I cannot help a human like that. Using logic and reason, you deserve your current situation. If there is ANY positive opinion that I could give, is to stay away from ANY type of medication or chemical for a long long time. Long time meaning years.

 

[neilium21]

i didnt go back on til after a year after that.....and ofcourse i didnt take the same thing, so no i didnt try ''poison'' again... i dont plan on taking steroids ever again, when u say u reccommend to never take medication for a long time do you also mean like medicine? or steroids and phs? id just like to know why i feel this way....i understand that youre not suppose to take those pellets orally, but i had friends that did it at twice the amount and they didnt have any problems, i told my doctors and eveyrone that i saw that i did it too and they didnt seem to think it had anything to do with that, altho it obviously did, i understand i made a mistake.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Finaplix is the same shit as tren...and you did tren the secind time, so yes you did the same shit again. When I say stay away from medicines, yes I include steroids, prohormones, everything that is not natural. Not even aspirin. Nothing is needed if your carbon unit is in a normal state. I have no idea why you still have those symptoms, however, I have heard of other users having anxiety and other weird stuff after using tren. That shit is poison. We are lucky that if you give your carbon unit enough time and nutrition, it has the ability to repair itself.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna bother trying tren. Not interested in the sides. I already have an intense aura about me when I'm in the gym. Don't need to be overly aggressive and look like a juiced tard.

Granted, I'm sure that everyone responds differently, but I get the feeling I would get abit to nasty while on the stuff.

Test is best.

I feel like a champ on test.

 

[theemperor]

i didnt go back on til after a year after that.....and ofcourse i didnt take the same thing, so no i didnt try ''poison'' again... i dont plan on taking steroids ever again, when u say u reccommend to never take medication for a long time do you also mean like medicine? or steroids and phs? id just like to know why i feel this way....i understand that youre not suppose to take those pellets orally, but i had friends that did it at twice the amount and they didnt have any problems, i told my doctors and eveyrone that i saw that i did it too and they didnt seem to think it had anything to do with that, altho it obviously did, i understand i made a mistake.[/quote

How old are you and how much was the tren doses?? If you want help, you better come out and be truthful about your age and dosage. No games!!

 

[-SD-]

Im speechless on this one.

 

[REFORMATA]

you need to have a blood panel done and see what the hell is going on in there bro..nolva after a nandrolone...no no no no..never never..never to basically EVERYTHING you did..lol..

You need to spend the rest of your life reading, then in your next life consider using steroids.

 

[Varga]

get some cabergoline and some anti-e. It is possible your hormones are out of range. Actually im pretty sure they are.
Caber take .5mg 2x a week and Anti-e depends which one you have.
Aromasin is my favorite 20mg every 7-10 days.
This should help but if it doesnt seek help bro

 

[-SD-]

go to a urologist and an endocrinologist and spill the beans.

 

[neilium21]

im 22, i started the tren at 50 mgs eod then switched to 25 mgs everyday

 

[neilium21]

yeah tren is poison, ur right, i was actually calling it poison towards the end of my cycle cause it felt so shitty....never again

 

[neilium21]

alright so cabergoline 2x a week and aromasin ever 7 to 10 days, should i stop the nolva and switch to clomid?

 

[stevesmi]

sorry bro. its not gonna be easy to recover that hard of a cycle and 15 weeks is a long time. usually i like to stay 12 weeks or less, makes for easier recovery.

i recommend unleashed since you feel like shit in the gym. it will give you an extra kick in the ass. also post cycle and hcgenerate should be run. read the directions for PCT on the products.

yeah i would take clomid.. just 25mg/day... drop the nolva, doesn't mix with deca. in fact deca isn't for everybody, i have no problem with it but i am in the minority

i think you should stick with natural stacks until you are 27, as should everyone. no reason to mess with your hormones until then.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I think recovery coming off cycles is largely a genetic thing mixed with whether you took a progestin affecting drug like deca.

I did 2 almost back to back decent cycles and then cruised for 5 months and came off with basic 4 week pct np.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Go see an Endocrinologist ASAP, tell him EXACTLY what you have taken...you will be sent for full bloods and advised from there.

 

[neilium21]

i didnt use deca, i used tren acetate, and while the cycle was 15 weeks, i was only on the tren the last 6

 

[Only1eagle]

Neilium21,

Everyone here is giving you the best advice. Go see a doc and be truethfull. Your tests will show them what and how to best treat you to get you back to "normality"

You played around with your body by effecting and changing your bodys natural hormone productions and interaction.

PS How did the finaplix pellets taste? LOL you understand those are meant to be shot into a cows ear and sit there and dissolve over weeks of time right?

 

[neilium21]

yes i do know that lol, i appreciate everyoes advice, i will see my doctor, im just hesitant as i saw him last year when i took the fina pellets and he wouldnt check my hormone levels

 

[stevesmi]

yes i do know that lol, i appreciate everyoes advice, i will see my doctor, im just hesitant as i saw him last year when i took the fina pellets and he wouldnt check my hormone levels

fire him. doctors are a dime a dozen. 95% of them are morons.

 

[theemperor]

I hope at your age of 22, this will be a lesson learned for you and I wish you a full recovery. No sense in beating this in anymore to you, other than lots of good folks in here telling you for your own good. Visit you a doctor and start working on your blood levels and hormones back to recovery.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I STRONGLY DISAGREE with experimenting with different drugs now as a PCT. The kid doesn't know what he is doing, and having some weird side effects. I recommend a complete blood test that can tell where is each level at this time and take it from there.

 

[stevesmi]

the last 2 posters are right. definately check your levels after a cycle, after EVERY cycle. i just finished my cycle and plan on going in in a few weeks

 

[eClenbuterol]

I agree on a full panel blood test

 

[Varga]

alright so cabergoline 2x a week and aromasin ever 7 to 10 days, should i stop the nolva and switch to clomid?

Yes, do a low dose of clomid 50mg ED for 2-3 weeks and drop the nolva. Clomid helps with sending an LH signal to your nuts and geting the process of recovery going.
Caber will help dopamine and keeping you progesterone low and aromasin will keep estro in check.

Dont add more stuff to this After 2-3 weeks stop clomid and keep aromasin another 2 weeks then stop that but keep taking caber for another 2 months but cut it down to .5mg once a week
You want a gradual way of taking compounds away
I've used this protocol after tren cycles with a lot of success even though im on HRT.

 

[-SD-]

ask for what is known as a "full metabolic panel" but make sure to include testosterone as that is typically not included in a FMP screen

 

[Only1eagle]

Yes, do a low dose of clomid 50mg ED for 2-3 weeks and drop the nolva. Clomid helps with sending an LH signal to your nuts and geting the process of recovery going.
Caber will help dopamine and keeping you progesterone low and aromasin will keep estro in check.

Dont add more stuff to this After 2-3 weeks stop clomid and keep aromasin another 2 weeks then stop that but keep taking caber for another 2 months but cut it down to .5mg once a week
You want a gradual way of taking compounds away
I've used this protocol after tren cycles with a lot of success even though im on HRT.

Please be careful using Clomid. If your already feeling depressed etc Clomid is known to make people feel worn out. This may only increase your issues.

 

[neilium21]

yeah i thought of that from the begining thats why didnt include it i was told nolva would work just fine

 

[joe d]

start this as soon as you can

1000iu hcg eod for 10 days
then the day ater your last hcg shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/20/20

start taking st johns whart, imediately.

 

[C.K.]

Test is best.

I feel like a champ on test.

THIS! leave the tren for cattle eq for horses and winny for your dog...

 

[neilium21]

poor damn cattle lol

 

[neilium21]

becoming steak doesnt seem so bad after a few weeks of tren for cattle, and no wonder why horses are so jumpy and uptight, and that explains why my buddies dog is shredded lol

 

[Varga]

Please be careful using Clomid. If your already feeling depressed etc Clomid is known to make people feel worn out. This may only increase your issues.

The caber will help with that but in the end you just have to suck it up a bit to get over the hill.
St John's worth as mentioned in the other post def helps too!