Help Bros!!

[boca3078]

First I want to say that this will be my first inject cycle. I have done numerous oral cycles with considerable results, but now I am older and am worried about the liver among other things. I want to do a 4 week cycle of Test/Tren (will take considerable time off, pending results). Any informative thoughts on the amounts and what I should take while I am on? Any PCT thoughts? I have done alot of research and have spoken with other bros on their cycles but have gotten mixed results. I am 31, 5'11 214 lbs, about 15% BF. This is an example of what I was going to do:
Week 1 Day 1: 300mg Test Enanthate (kick start) might not need it?
Week 1-4 150mg Test Enanthate EOD
Week 1-4 100mg Tren Enanthate EOD
Nolvadex (during and after) .05mg ED, Heard different answers

PCT: I realize I need to wait about 3 weeks to start the Clomid. (if different, let me know)
Clomid (how much) I have heard different answers
Nolvadex

I am a novice with injectables, so I am trying to take it slow...If this is not a good start cycle, then someone let me know. I am not in a hurry to get competition huge, I am just trying to break a plataeu and stay healthy by doing it right. Bros, help me out.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Well, judging by your post, I can tell that you don't have much experience/knowledge for a real planned cycle. First of all, if you're worried about your liver with the injectables, lol too late; orals are worse on the liver and you've done them before.
Second, test enanthate does not need to be injected EOD. Twice a week is enough. Third, IMO you should start with a lower dose of tren the first time to see how your body reacts. Fourth, that is not even a real PCT. After using tren, you'll never recover your hpta with clomid and nolvadex.

 

[rambleon]

For a 4 weeker and already planning to pin eod i don't understand why u would go with long esters instead of short. Look into tren acetate and test proprionate instead. I'd do it like this:

1-4 Test p 150 mg eod
1-4 tren a 75 mg eod

5 hcg 500 iu's ed
6 nolva 40 mg ed
7 nolva 20 mg ed

Good luck.

 

[sweed]

Test only if yuo hav never done an inject cycle. This alone will give you great gains.
you will need to run it longer about 10 week, some go 12. inject it twice a week. 400-500 mgs will do yuo well. HAve a pct plan ready and on hand before the cycle.

Def do some research it took me a good year and a half to finally get everything down to know exactly everything is and what it does frmo test, to the needles. It takes time, but research is very important!

 

[EZ_E]

+1 to DJ and Sweed and IMO you need a little more study time before you jump in the pool...

Worried about the liver Orals ARE indeed wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy harsher on the liver...

4 week cycle is a waste and tren shouldn’t be used as a 1st inject able...

The real area where you need education is PCT...I’ve been @ this for a long time and I still get help with PCT before every cycle...

NEVER run Novla with tren or after or at all for that matter, there are much better modern alternatives, Nelson and Needto are great with this subject...

150 mg’s of Test Eth EOD????? Are you Jay Cutler? Less is more...

Welcome to EF, stick around and soak up the knowledge

~EZ