Help!Advice please!Swollen ankles!

[babushka]

I'm currently on my 6 week cycle of test propionate 150 EOD and on week 3 of Tbol 50ED.
Results are great I've gained about 20lbs increased bench 35 pounds squad 60 pounds, deadlift 70 pounds.
My last 3 days I've noticed that my ankles is swollen in the evening after work( I have an office job and spend about 9 hours a day sitting ), it is allright in the morning after the night.
My liver AST was normal, ALT enzymes was slightly elevated before the cycle 59 (10-40 normal range).
Should I drop tbol?As far as I understood it could be liver or kidney problems from an oral steroid.I want to run tbol for 7 more days.
I don't have any other symptoms but puffy ankles.
I'm taking liv52 9 tabs a day as a liver support.
What should I do?

 

[sharkmaster]

i dont know what you should do but buffy hands and feet often mean trouble with the kidneys... id go get checked out!

 

[Varga]

You have some major water retension!
20lbs is a bit much for 6 weeks on prop and tbol. Check your diet and limit your salt intake to no more than 2g a day tops that adds to your water retension and high blood pressure. Start taking some kind of water pill to get rid of some water and do cardio to sweat it out as well.
That's my take on it maybe others have more to add

 

[goal245]

Its just water retention, i wouldnt worry about it. I get slightly swollen feet ankles all the time on heavy cycles.

 

[lartinos]

Check your blood pressure ASAP. I'm guessing it is out of control and putting some serious strain on your heart. Get on an AI ASAP possible and you may want to jump on some herbal diuretics right now such as uva ursi and dandelion root right now for immediate help.

 

[babushka]

Thanks guys,I am considering to drop Tbol.I'm 6' 245 right now.
The interesting thing is that my face is not bloated at all, just ankles. I remember deca/test e/dbol cycle and that was a water retention I had a moon face and I was bloated.
The problem is probably too much salt,I'll cut it down continue liv52, drink more water.
And I switch Tbol to NPP injections.
So far it is the best cycle I ran but maybe oral steroids is not for me.
I'll check my blood pressure also.

Again thank you for your help and I appreciate people who answered my pm's.

 

[babushka]

Check your blood pressure ASAP. I'm guessing it is out of control and putting some serious strain on your heart. Get on an AI ASAP possible and you may want to jump on some herbal diuretics right now such as uva ursi and dandelion root right now for immediate help.

just got some uva ursi and dandelion root

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Yeah it has happened to me and is a direct result of high BP .. I am able the control mine with meds (beta blocker) but don't advise this .


Brad.

 

[HAYEZ]

drop the tbol ...your body isnt working right...be happy it isnt worse

 

[rockdoc]

Agreed with the above, drop the t-bol first and start monitoring your BP.

 

[babushka]

Done... dropped tbol
I am not sure is that a BP cause it cause I don't have any other symptoms of high BP such as headaches.
I'll check BP first thing

 

[babushka]

BP is 130/90
not bad I guess

 

[hesnobradpitt]

BP is 130/90
not bad I guess

Yes that's ok for on cycle your correct mate , mine was 160/100 when I got my cankles
Hope it was the t'bol and do they wobble like it's water when you stomp your foot .

Brad.

 

[babushka]

Yes that's ok for on cycle your correct mate , mine was 160/100 when I got my cankles
Hope it was the t'bol and do they wobble like it's water when you stomp your foot .

Brad.

Thanks Brad.I probably overreacted but still no more orals for me.I'm pretty sure in my case the problem is combination of raised BP,liver and kidney stress,not drinking enough water and sodium.I was always thinking how stupid to take 17-- orals and here we go I decided to add Tbol .
But lessons learned.Iam taking milk thisle,liv 52,uva ursi and dandelion root,kidney cleaning tea.
Switched tbol to NPP 100EOD shots.
P.S . They don't wobble but it feels like a water there/

 

[Ezekiel]

It is very common for ppl who sit for long periods of time to get swollen ankles and feet.... A direct result of poor blood circulation and/or fluid build up.... Too much sodium in the diet can do that too..

 

[Para_Shoot]

I don't understand. Everyones telling him to drop the T-Bol for his water retention, but I found this written about T-Bol:

Due to this 4-chloro substitution in the A-Ring of its Steran Nucleus, this drug cannot be aromatized (3). This is, as you know, quite beneficial and is one of the reasons Oral Turinabol has been called a "gentle d-bol." You will probably not get any typical estrogenic side effects like water retention, acne, gyno, etc, at any dose of this drug.

 

[rockdoc]

I don't understand. Everyones telling him to drop the T-Bol for his water retention, but I found this written about T-Bol:

Due to this 4-chloro substitution in the A-Ring of its Steran Nucleus, this drug cannot be aromatized (3). This is, as you know, quite beneficial and is one of the reasons Oral Turinabol has been called a "gentle d-bol." You will probably not get any typical estrogenic side effects like water retention, acne, gyno, etc, at any dose of this drug.

Because ankle swelling can be a symptom of kidney/liver problems and the most toxic thing he's doing is the t-bol.

 

[babushka]

Update 2 days later after I discontinued tbol, my ankles getting much better almost no swelling
So Tbol was an issue in my case
Thank you for support

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Good news mate .


Brad.

 

[halfcenturian]

LOL! IMO TBOL bites. Stick with Test, Primo, Dbol, Var, and if you want an out of body experience - Tren. Also maybe some of these new pro hormones like BEAST. The rest is questionable.

Shoot rather than take oral whenever possible.

 

[Varga]

Glad you geting better!
Take my advice, water retension is BAD regardless how you look at it. Creates many problems.
I got the swallen ankles too and it wasnt fun since then if I start retaining water I deal with it ASAP.

 

[babushka]

Thanks Varga

Tbol wont worth it in my opinion.I would'n recommend it a lot of articles says it not toxic but it was in my case. I used dbol before with much lower dose and MUCH better results.I got Balkans Tbol maybe it was just dirty gear, my buddy had shitty experience with Balkans Dbol also.

 

[Varga]

Thanks Varga

Tbol wont worth it in my opinion.I would'n recommend it a lot of articles says it not toxic but it was in my case. I used dbol before with much lower dose and MUCH better results.I got Balkans Tbol maybe it was just dirty gear, my buddy had shitty experience with Balkans Dbol also.

Not sure man! On paper tbol is ok and I've used it some time ago but orals in general are rough on you.

 

[cire_]

i've recently come across the same problem except i'm actually experiencing tightness and pain sometimes when walking. i was at week 10 of test-e/deca/prov and i dropped it today and will be starting pct. my urine came up positive for protein and the doc seems to think that im taking in too much protein for my kidneys to handle. i dont seem to be retaining water anywhere else just fluid in the ankles. i'm hoping that dropping the cycle and cutting down my protein intake significantly will clear this all up in a few weeks. my BP was normal for being on cycle and i don't have any other symptoms. i'll let you all know what happens.

 

[Varga]

i've recently come across the same problem except i'm actually experiencing tightness and pain sometimes when walking. i was at week 10 of test-e/deca/prov and i dropped it today and will be starting pct. my urine came up positive for protein and the doc seems to think that im taking in too much protein for my kidneys to handle. i dont seem to be retaining water anywhere else just fluid in the ankles. i'm hoping that dropping the cycle and cutting down my protein intake significantly will clear this all up in a few weeks. my BP was normal for being on cycle and i don't have any other symptoms. i'll let you all know what happens.

Smart move to stop!
how much protein were you eating?
What were the dosages if you dont mind me asking on the test/ deca/prov?
Also, take a mild natural diuretic..helps flush the water out.
From what I remember deca tends to make you hold quite bit of water. Also, to be sure check your sugar levels...do you feel thirsty a lot?

 

[cire_]

Smart move to stop!
how much protein were you eating?
What were the dosages if you dont mind me asking on the test/ deca/prov?
Also, take a mild natural diuretic..helps flush the water out.
From what I remember deca tends to make you hold quite bit of water. Also, to be sure check your sugar levels...do you feel thirsty a lot?

ive been a protein eating machine bro, i was definitely taking in over 1.5g per 1lb of mass every day. also taking 5g creatine mono pre workout. doses were split 600 test-e / 450 deca / 50 prov. the strange thing is i dont feel like im retaining water which is why i wasnt sure at first what was up with my ankles. i drink plenty of water a day, close to 2 gallons if not more and don't really feel thirsty much. i'm going to see what happens since i stopped and cut down protein and dropped creatine. going to pickup on the cardio and if need be im going to get a diuretic from the doc.

 

[Varga]

ive been a protein eating machine bro, i was definitely taking in over 1.5g per 1lb of mass every day. also taking 5g creatine mono pre workout. doses were split 600 test-e / 450 deca / 50 prov. the strange thing is i dont feel like im retaining water which is why i wasnt sure at first what was up with my ankles. i drink plenty of water a day, close to 2 gallons if not more and don't really feel thirsty much. i'm going to see what happens since i stopped and cut down protein and dropped creatine. going to pickup on the cardio and if need be im going to get a diuretic from the doc.

Let us know how it goes. I dont feel it's necessary to take creatine on cycle. I stopped taking creatine all together years ago...dont see the benefit besides being bloated and retaining water.
In some ppl taking in too much protein is harmful..their bodies cant handle it. That might be the case with you
Good luck bro

 

[Ffactor]

If you did an echocardiogram now you would see a marked decrease in your ejection fraction.

 

[cire_]

If you did an echocardiogram now you would see a marked decrease in your ejection fraction.

my left ventricle isn't pumping enough blood?

 

[Varga]

If you did an echocardiogram now you would see a marked decrease in your ejection fraction.

explain more pls

 

[cire_]

an update: noticeable loss of water retention in 3 days. hoping it clears out by the end of next week.

 

[babushka]

an update: noticeable loss of water retention in 3 days. hoping it clears out by the end of next week.

What was the problem?
In my case it was dirty gear ( Balkans Tbol)

 

[Ffactor]

my left ventricle isn't pumping enough blood?

gear can temporarily lead to cardiovascular problems due to increased blood pressure.