Hcg

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

How is this injected and where and what size pin etc. I'm clueless about this, and curious obviously. Is the dosage consensus still at about 1,000U HCG, IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday? For a duration of 3 weeks correct?

 

[alexmichael]

How is this injected and where and what size pin etc. I'm clueless about this, and curious obviously. Is the dosage consensus still at about 1,000U HCG, IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday? For a duration of 3 weeks correct?

I'm far from an expert but I went to a doctor and fessed up about a small cycle and he prescribed HCG and Nolvadex to me. I use a small insulin syringe and stick it into my gut the same way I do GH. He prescribed 10,000 Units a week for the first two weeks and 5000 units per week for the next 6 weeks. He told me that I could do 5000 units twice a week and warned me that my balls were going to hurt. I only did 2000 units once and every three days did another 1000 units for a few weeks. The nice part is I now have refills left for the future.

 

[Mavy]

Damn alex that sounds like a fuckin boatload of HCG??? Whats up with that? 10,000 IU/wk for the first two weeks? I havent heard of anyone doing this before, especially recommended by a doc. Is this your first attempt trying to get your nuts working, or second or 3rd?

Detroit, I mix mine into B12 and shoot it intramuscular.

Mavy

 

[ironhorse242]

I found that when I was on HCG that it almost hurt a bit when I would shoot a load. I was doing 750 iu every other day for 2 weeks

 

[HAYEZ]

im doing 500iu every 4th day during my cycle in my calf

 

[Ulter]

You don't say what the application is for your use but if it's PCT then you can use it several ways. The manufacturer tells you to use 5000iu at a time EOD for 3-4 doses. I do much better with 1000iu/day for 10 days. Back fill some slin pins and shoot it in your quad.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

You don't say what the application is for your use but if it's PCT then you can use it several ways. The manufacturer tells you to use 5000iu at a time EOD for 3-4 doses. I do much better with 1000iu/day for 10 days. Back fill some slin pins and shoot it in your quad.

It's for upcoming PCT and poss. during cycle, havent decided if want to mix it into the cycle

 

[Jarbeebus]

sorry to hijack the thread, but detroidbbt you have massive arms.

 

[Frankieperfect]

yeah he does, so would mostly everyone agree that 1000ius MWF for 3 weeks would be good enough with 50mg of clomid?
Oh yeah and Mavy how much B-12/HCG do you mix with it?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

yeah he does, so do would mostly everyone agree that 1000ius MWF for 3 weeks would be good enough with 50mg of clomid?
Oh yeah and Mavy how B-12/HCG do you mix with it?

bump for mixing

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

200 i.u. every 3 days during

29G/1cc/.5" pin

I shot into my fat gut

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

200 i.u. every 3 days during

29G/1cc/.5" pin

I shot into my fat gut

so you inject into the fat, not muscle? The amps come with the stufff in the bottom, what do you add to it to make it liquid?

 

[Ulter]

I shoot it into my quad with a slin. You can inject it sub-q but I wouldn't. It makes bumps sometimes that hurt.
There should be sterile water with each amp to mix with the cake. If not then get bac-static water. It should be 5000iu per ml. I wouldn't mix it with B-12. No particular reason, I just wouldn't.

 

[slash747]

I did my first shot of HCG yesterday, the same way you are describing, and it formed a little bubble under the skin, which was painless and went away after about 5 minutes. I was not sure I was doing it right.

I shoot it into my quad with a slin. You can inject it sub-q but I wouldn't. It makes bumps sometimes that hurt.
There should be sterile water with each amp to mix with the cake. If not then get bac-static water. It should be 5000iu per ml. I wouldn't mix it with B-12. No particular reason, I just wouldn't.

 

[Ulter]

Yeah that's how you do it sub-q. It should make a little water bubble and then dissipate just as you described. Sometimes you'll hit the same spot and it'll hurt for a while.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

My HCG kits come with a 1ML amp of bac-static water and 5000IU powder
shot the bac-static in the powder amp.

I then shot the liq HCG into a capped 10ml vial, add 9 more Mls of bac-static.
HCG - 500IU/ML @ 10Ml...in the fridge
I swear by the stuff

I shoot Sub-Q (fat) Never hurts me.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I shoot it into my quad with a slin. You can inject it sub-q but I wouldn't. It makes bumps sometimes that hurt.
There should be sterile water with each amp to mix with the cake. If not then get bac-static water. It should be 5000iu per ml. I wouldn't mix it with B-12. No particular reason, I just wouldn't.

I've heard doing it IM can be bad for HCG or less effective, is this correct? What is the difference between doing it in the fat or muscle, does it matter?
How long are slin pins???

 

[DaveTSI]

not trying to hyjack but i also have a question... i am going to run it like that also (1000 m/w/f 3 weeks) i was wondering if i could run it at 500 for 10 days up to the last aas, take a week off, then start the other schedual. would this be too much hcg/pointless? my nuts are smaller and atrophied and i want to start asap. (will run w. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid also) <--after cycle, not during.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

not trying to hyjack but i also have a question... i am going to run it like that also (1000 m/w/f 3 weeks) i was wondering if i could run it at 500 for 10 days up to the last aas, take a week off, then start the other schedual. would this be too much hcg/pointless? my nuts are smaller and atrophied and i want to start asap. (will run w. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid also) <--after cycle, not during.

I'd start now if your nuts are noticeably smaller, can't hurt you. Would not be pointless, only beneficial. Same with PCT

 

[mlong23]

Damn alex that sounds like a fuckin boatload of HCG??? Whats up with that? 10,000 IU/wk for the first two weeks? I havent heard of anyone doing this before, especially recommended by a doc. Is this your first attempt trying to get your nuts working, or second or 3rd?

Detroit, I mix mine into B12 and shoot it intramuscular.

Mavy

If a doctor prescribed it because of steroid use, he probably didn't know that you don't need that high a dose for someone doing a small cycle. Most docs don't know a whole lot about steroids.

 

[Ulter]

I've heard doing it IM can be bad for HCG or less effective, is this correct? What is the difference between doing it in the fat or muscle, does it matter?
How long are slin pins???

Slin pins are 5/8 or 1/2 inch depending on what you get. The instructions that come with Profasi HCG recommend IM injection and come with IM pins to use it. I can't imagine why anyone would say it's less effective. That doesn't make sense. If they give you a viable explanation you should post it so we can take a look at it.

 

[mposster]

How is this injected and where and what size pin etc. I'm clueless about this, and curious obviously. Is the dosage consensus still at about 1,000U HCG, IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday? For a duration of 3 weeks correct?

i have had the best results doing my injections sub-q 1000units every 2 hrs....
5 shots a day.....every 7 days......sounds strange but works ,,,,its a steady slow release...and the balls drop like a charm.....after the 2 long days of injections start clomid 150 mgs a day 7 days the 100mgsa day 7 days then 50mgs a day for 7 days....

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Slin pins are 5/8 or 1/2 inch depending on what you get. The instructions that come with Profasi HCG recommend IM injection and come with IM pins to use it. I can't imagine why anyone would say it's less effective. That doesn't make sense. If they give you a viable explanation you should post it so we can take a look at it.

My source was the one who told me that about the IM not being as effective... Don't know why or for what reason, oh well im gonna do IM. Thanks

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Damn alex that sounds like a fuckin boatload of HCG??? Whats up with that? 10,000 IU/wk for the first two weeks? I havent heard of anyone doing this before, especially recommended by a doc. Is this your first attempt trying to get your nuts working, or second or 3rd?

Detroit, I mix mine into B12 and shoot it intramuscular.

Mavy

Ok I got about half of you saying to inject it IM and some sub-q. So which should I do and why

 

[Excidium28]

Almost every manufacturer recommends that HCG be injected IM. My'n come with slin pins I wasnt sure if the needles were big enough so I just used 25g 1" needles.

 

[Mavy]

Ok I got about half of you saying to inject it IM and some sub-q. So which should I do and why

Bro, I dont think it makes a huge differnce either way. I shoot it intramuscular because this is the way I am more comfortable shooting it. Organon, Gonakor, and Serono all reccommend this written write on the boxes. I am not sure about the other brands like Ferring, or Steris
or Lepori for example, but I doubt many of them reccomend it Sub-q.

I mix mine in B-12 just for the added benefits of of the B-12. If I am going to be shooting something, might as well add some more benefits to it. And its pretty obvious to me that B-12 has more benefits than BAC water does. B-12 does nothing to effect the HCG.

In fact according to Dr.M there are much better things to mix your HCG with, such as Ringes Solution .. see below, a little blurb from him. I am personally going to use B-12 this time around for simplicity sake and the added health benefits

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Here is a blurb from one of the Doc's posts.

"Go to your local homecare and surgical store and find an IV bag of Lactated Ringer's Solution. This is what they infuse into you for a nutrient IV; it's pH balanced and buffered, it's got a great mix of ions to stabilize various protein structures (not why they're included in the first place, but it works out well for our purposes), and it's all around a good choice for peptide hormone rehydration for the purpose of storage.

Dissolve your hCG in Lactated Ringer's, then aliquot it into some slin pins (at whatever dosage you want to take). Pre-load ALL of your expected dosages into these slin pins. Pull back the plunger from the pin to make sure the liquid will have room to expand, and put all of the pins in the freezer (about -20°C is what a standard freezer holds at if not opened too much). When you need to take a shot, put the pin you need to use in the fridge to thaw... if taking a multi-day course of hCG, it works nicely... take out 1 pin on day 0, shoot that pin on day 1 and at the same time put 1 pin in the fridge for day 2, shoot one pin on day 2, put one in the fridge for day 3... etc.

If you try to freeze hCG in bacteriostatic water, it might not make it... but the comfortable mix of ions, sugars, and the buffered pH of Lactated Ringer's makes it a lot easier on the peptide hormone to store at 4°C or to freeze and thaw. That said, avoid repeated freeze/thaw cycles when using hCG from storage.


And some more info.

Lactated Ringer's (or even just plain Ringer's) have compositions which are generally more or less equivalent to your body's extracellular fluid. This is a great place for peptide hormones to be - if you understand protein structure, you'll understand why. Ions, buffered pH, osmotically balanced so that when it's injected it's not a shock to the contents when they either gain or lose water and/or solute... it's like a fucking day-spa for protein. Lactated or Plain Ringer's is like putting the peptide hormone in your body before putting it in your body.

It's like when buying new fish for a tank, instead of just dumping them in straightaway, you put the whole fish bag in the tank water and allow the temperature to equalize... it's a better transition for the molecule (fish) being carried.

More ....

Peptide hormones (as virtually all peptides are) are fragile. They require a certain 3-D conformation to work against their target receptor. This 3-D conformation is stabilized by various interactions which are disrupted easily in the presence of what biochemists refer to as denaturing conditions.

Organic solvents like BA and BB are both denaturing because they disrupt hydrophobic interactions within a protein and lead to its unfolding. Solutions like Ringer's or L.Ringers are much more stabilizing to a given peptide than organics. Water or Bac Water is better than organic solvents, but not if the peptide is to be stored for any length of time; it lacks a buffered pH, ions, and other factors which are vital to protein structural integrity in solution."

 

[biggeek]

Ok I got about half of you saying to inject it IM and some sub-q. So which should I do and why

Well man.. not that i'm a doctor or anything.. but from all my knowledge about ANY kind of injection.. with the exception of a very few amount of substances.. ANYTHING can be shot subQ OR IM.. you could shoot test.. fina.. primo.. anything subQ if you wanted.. the absorbtion rates and times are different.. not majorly.. but it can be done.. I recently used some HCG to end my test prop cycle.. 2500iu twice.. about 7 days apart.. i did it IM.. once with a regular 23gauge 1.5 inch pin.. in the glute.. next with a slin pin into the delt.. the delt was much easier.. and the shot was a breeze.. seems to have helped a good bit.. but anyway.. to answer your question.. most manufacturers recommend IM.. so I would go with that.. i mean.. who knows best than the people that make it.. but it can be done either way and will still be effective.. and that's with pretty much ANY shot.. so remember that..

And as a side note.. to people that use HCG during cycle to keep up nut size and so on.. i'm against the idea of using it during.. the body can become tolerant to HCG and the increase in LH very very quickly.. and using it that often.. even in low doses.. can dimisish the responsiveness of the body with HCG.. and the nuts when you go off cycle.. i feel HCG is best used 2-3.. maybe 4 weeks in heavy cycles.. right at the very end of the cycle.. using it during can cause more problems over time than it can fix..

 

[Indy]

My source was the one who told me that about the IM not being as effective... Don't know why or for what reason, oh well im gonna do IM. Thanks

Detroit, I use HCG with all cycles and LOVE IT, great results. ALWAYS shoot it SubQ, per instructions with the script, per the doc, and I get great results that way. Besides why go IM if you dont have to, we do that enough times in a week, it's nice to inject something without pain for once.

Some brands of HCG does burn abit going in, so I used load up the syringe, then add a little b12 in the same shot, took all the pain away. brand I use now, never hurts and first shot I can tell works within 2 hours, the boys nearly double in size when I start HCG in mid cycle.

 

[Excidium28]

Are you suppose to keep the HCG in the freezer where u keep ur ice or fridge?

 

[desman]

mix 5 ml's of B12 with HCG proviving it s a 5000iu kit and shott half a ml EOD which would be 500iu for last three weeks of cycle to bring back the boys