HCG Debate

[VascularitY]

i dont think thats too many compounds, perhaps if he was running it all for the entire duration it would be overkill. Test Deca Dbol in the beginning and Test Tren Winny in the end is a good stack. It just looks like so much because of the Proviron Aromasin and Clen in there. It looks good IMO except I would run the prop at the end for weeks 16-20 instead of for just 2 weeks. No need to run HCG everyday, maybe once per week at 1500IU's, but even then i dont think its necessary. Hit it hard at the end with 500IU ED for 10days straight when you begin your PCT and you should recover nicely.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I personally think running HCG during a cycle is merely a waste of HCG and time. I just don't think it will aid in teh true recovery at the end of the cycle in ANY WAY. people may disagree but with all that shit you are taking the HCG is doing nothing but teasing your body, there is nothing constructive coming out of it in my oppinion.

there really is no firm data (either clinical or anecdotal) if mid cycle or infrequent use of HCG during cycle improves recovery or that it acts to the contrary.

so at this time its really a matter of preference (HCG does provide benefits, but it also comes with risks)

 

[Slyder190]

HCG does not shut you down... if you run too high of a dose it will shut down LH

but at reasonable theraputic dosing, it will stimulate and get things going

take a looky here

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

good reference thread

this one too:
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Post%20Cycle%20Threapy%20(PCT).html

Good read. I'm no scientist, but I still don't see how starting HCG and Nolva before an ester has cleared is of any benefit. The article makes recomendations and brings up some points, but still has no real world studies or examples to back it up as far as how well it restores one's HPTA when coming off a cycle before an ester has cleared. I also just don't see how HCG will not keep you shut down. That's just me.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there are certainly those that theorize that ocassionally stimulating the gonadal tissue does reduce atrophy and thus make recovery easier (there is nothing to refute this either)

 

[Ulter]

It makes recovery easier because it gets your testes started after being asleep during the cycle. It does NOT restart the HPTA while the steroids are still in your blood, but it does restart a part of the process. Just do PCT with and without it and then tell me which way you recovered faster.

 

[jumpshot]

I personall wouldn't do another cycle without it, but only at low-dose as my cycles are relatively small. 250 eod or ed after long ester clears depending on how I feel.

but that's just me

 

[solidspine]

Great question,

I have no idea, have done long cycles and always done Clomid or prefer HCG at the end for pct.

Have a bunch of it here and as usual in the middle of a longer cycle, so I think I will try it at about 1500 iu twice a week for four weeks.

Will let you know what happens.

When I say longer cycle, I started this a couple months ago, planning a cycle for September, Just doing Test E at 1 gram per week.


Fina,
Winny
Test
Primo
Russian d-bol for 3-4 weeks. I would do it longer but always feel like I am going to explode.

This will be about 12 weeks, then back to test.

Just doing test now, and no real plans to go off after the above cycle, but doing HGC prior may be interesting.

 

[acneman]

too much HCG during cycle, once weekly dosing perhaps. you are looking at a serious increased gyno risk. though some people can run that just fine (but its a definite risk increase)

question. the gyno risks are associated with the aromatase effect on the tes produced by the testies while stimulated by hcg, correct?
if there are no other gyno producing actions by hcg wouldnt a well planed tes cycle that included an anti aromtase negate this side?

I personally think running HCG during a cycle is merely a waste of HCG and time. I just don't think it will aid in teh true recovery at the end of the cycle in ANY WAY. people may disagree but with all that shit you are taking the HCG is doing nothing but teasing your body, there is nothing constructive coming out of it in my oppinion.

without taking the above example cycle as the norm. considering the time involved to increase testicular size and reverse atrophy. would not a reduced atrophy of the testicles decrease the recovery time at the end of the cycle. for instance if your testicles normaly atrophy to 60% of thier normal size during cycle. but with intermitten hcg dosage during cycle, at the end of cycle your atrophy level is 85/90% normal size, therefore reducing the hcg dosage and time required to bring the testies up to normal size and production capacity. would this not (by logic not studies since the studies have not been preformed) decrease recovery time and make for a better pct experience?

there are certainly those that theorize that ocassionally stimulating the gonadal tissue does reduce atrophy and thus make recovery easier (there is nothing to refute this either)

true to my knowledge but much of what is recomended in all aspects of gear usage is theory since the studies are not likely to be done due to the fact there is little or no financial gain to these studies. there are studies done but to few. with the growing popularity of HRT perhaps more AAS studies will be done but due to the permanent nature of HRT i doubt many will focus on this aspect of gear usage.

thanks for consideration of my questions

 

[thebrakes]

It makes recovery easier because it gets your testes started after being asleep during the cycle. It does NOT restart the HPTA while the steroids are still in your blood, but it does restart a part of the process. Just do PCT with and without it and then tell me which way you recovered faster.

questionable.

there is a study on pubmed that shows that HCG administered along with test cyp keeps intratesticular testosterone at above-normal levels (26% IIRC). problem is it's only for 3 weeks...but the test cyp solo group had next to nothing in terms of ITT...

 

[bogazo]

i use it throughout cycle every time...keeps nuts good size..