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Medicman669

Medicman669

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Greetings Everyone,

Just wondering if anyone has used this and could possibly post their personal experience with it ie gains/str or any negatives..thnks :evil:
 
Roid Rage lol, anyone that thinks ROID RAGE is REAL, shouldnt be doing PHs or AAS.

If you cant control your aggression, you dont have the will power or mental focuss for workout aids.

Havoc seems to be working out pretty well although 3 weeks in a couple of my joints feel a little dry so next time I will be adding in come Cissus and joint support. I think Ill also throw in some CycloTren and see if it helps cut me up a little more. Ill probably still add Dermacrine, since it makes me happy. Although I got a much larger libido boost once I added Havoc with the Dermacrine.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Roid Rage lol, anyone that thinks ROID RAGE is REAL, shouldnt be doing PHs or AAS.

If you cant control your aggression, you dont have the will power or mental focuss for workout aids.

Havoc seems to be working out pretty well although 3 weeks in a couple of my joints feel a little dry so next time I will be adding in come Cissus and joint support. I think Ill also throw in some CycloTren and see if it helps cut me up a little more. Ill probably still add Dermacrine, since it makes me happy. Although I got a much larger libido boost once I added Havoc with the Dermacrine.

-Legacy
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Yeah, roid rage is a myth.

Pro-hormone rage. LMAO. Sorry but that is just funny to me.
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Roid Rage lol, anyone that thinks ROID RAGE is REAL, shouldnt be doing PHs or AAS.

If you cant control your aggression, you dont have the will power or mental focuss for workout aids.

Havoc seems to be working out pretty well although 3 weeks in a couple of my joints feel a little dry so next time I will be adding in come Cissus and joint support. I think Ill also throw in some CycloTren and see if it helps cut me up a little more. Ill probably still add Dermacrine, since it makes me happy. Although I got a much larger libido boost once I added Havoc with the Dermacrine.

-Legacy
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DJ, in another post about havoc I said, "watch your joints" Ya should have started the cissus right along with the havoc.


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I know crazy, I was hoping at 30mg I wasnt going to have any joint issues. They arent BAD, just a little irritation in my hands. Next time I am going to use Cissus starting 2 weeks prior to get it into my joints BEFORE I start my cycle. :-)

I was already half way through my PP cycle and was adding Havoc in to the last few weeks and didnt get any joint support in time.

I will DEF be ready for it next time.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Roid Rage lol, anyone that thinks ROID RAGE is REAL, shouldnt be doing PHs or AAS.

If you cant control your aggression, you dont have the will power or mental focuss for workout aids.

Havoc seems to be working out pretty well although 3 weeks in a couple of my joints feel a little dry so next time I will be adding in come Cissus and joint support. I think Ill also throw in some CycloTren and see if it helps cut me up a little more. Ill probably still add Dermacrine, since it makes me happy. Although I got a much larger libido boost once I added Havoc with the Dermacrine.

-Legacy
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You tell me this like i was born with the knowledge of prohormones. I guess your right since i believed what i was being told i should never take prohormones. Sorry im not the prohormone king
 
Dude it applies to AAS also. There is NO such thing as roid rage period!...Your level of aggression goes up somewhat and weakminded peopel sometimes use that as an excuse to lash out at people. Roid Rage DOES NOT exist, STUPID PEOPLE exist.

This has nothing to do with Prohormones or knowing about them...Its the fact that you act like the MAINSTREAM MEDIA and are buying into the concept of ROID RAGE.

-Legacy
 
I'm on day 14 of Havoc and feel strong. Have great workouts lately and feel leaner w/ more vascularity. Body weight is up 2-3 lbs. The lethargy I experienced is largely gone after 3 days. No change in sex drive and no sides to note to this date.
 
artificialaspirations said:
I'm on day 14 of Havoc and feel strong. Have great workouts lately and feel leaner w/ more vascularity. Body weight is up 2-3 lbs. The lethargy I experienced is largely gone after 3 days. No change in sex drive and no sides to note to this date.
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Are you having an increase in appitite? I'm also guessing the weight increase is a nice lean gain.


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That aside..it all imho depends on the individuals temperment..I cycled for years during my late teens and throughout my 20's and although I always had a temper and I noticed while cycling it was a hell of alot easier to get angry..pissed off..more aggressive..more emotional at times..yes..did it make me grab a 50 cal and scale a tower and start picking ppl off, did it make me kill my wife and kids..NO to both..im just speaking from my standpoint..cant attest to how it might affect other folks..I guess it just depends on what an individual thinks or believes constitutes "Roid Rage"..
 
krssmth said:
That aside..it all imho depends on the individuals temperment..I cycled for years during my late teens and throughout my 20's and although I always had a temper and I noticed while cycling it was a hell of alot easier to get angry..pissed off..more aggressive..more emotional at times..yes..did it make me grab a 50 cal and scale a tower and start picking ppl off, did it make me kill my wife and kids..NO to both..im just speaking from my standpoint..cant attest to how it might affect other folks..I guess it just depends on what an individual thinks or believes constitutes "Roid Rage"..
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Well you must be lying and you shouldnt be taking anything according to legacy. And your an idiot for even thinking that. Guess neither of us can take PH's now
 
Yes you are supposed to see increased aggression, but that is normally focussed to workouts and should be productive. Roid Rage is going into a blind aggression in which you have no control over what you are doing and act out irrationally normally in violence towards people in a dramatic fasion, such as beating your wife, beating some dude at the bar cuz he stepped on your nikes, shooting or stabbing someone, abusing your kids. Just increased aggression is not ROID RAGE. ROID RAGE is a mainstream media term used whenever a BIG news story happens involving extreme violence which they can then spin into a connection between the violence and steriod use.

There is a difference in aggression and roid rage.

-Legacy
 
On day 20 here with 10 to go. Still feelin really good in gym, squated and benched 205 for 6 reps multiple sets which is the most I've ever done. Could have done a couple more if I had a spotter. Bodyweight is still 165 and at least 1/2 that is fat/water up from 160 to start. Strength and endurance is phenomenal as the weights don't feel so heavy and I am building confidence.

My body is getting sore: shoulders, low back, groin, etc. I will take an extra rest day to heal things up. I can't say if its a side of the havoc or the heavier weights I've been using as I've never been this strong before. Maybe a bit of both.

I've been hovering around 3000 cals/day to increase strength and avoid too much fat gain. So far I am really impressed and it is nice to actually have that feeling back where you get stronger every day. Haven't felt that since I started lifting 11 yrs ago.

I will be maxing out next week to post up the results. Can't wait. As of May 1st stats were:
Squat 225
Bench 225
Dead 285
 
artificialaspirations said:
Still feelin good in the gym. Pulled 315 from the floor today, new pr.
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That's great to hear! The only time I ever pulled 315 from the floor I was helping a girlfriend up from the saloon floor.


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all i can say is it works.. iv been off it for 2 months now and still have retained just about everything i gained. Still stronger ,leaner and i gained 14lbs off it and have only lost 3lbs of that... Just try it. The only side effect i got off it was it made my blood sugar low and i would get jittery and lightheaded... Now that im off that has gone away. I think next time i take it i will eat more than usual.. every 2 hours. I like waking up in the morning looking as if i just got back from the gym... i stayed hard looking (not my pecker)
 
MY only complaint is some days I would feel horribly lethatgic and just wanted to sleep or not do anything at all. Sucks when you work a sales job and have no energy to talk to people lol. Workouts have been good, not sure on exact "gains" yet since Im doing a body comp shift and need to remeasure BF%.

-Legacy
 
Wumderbean said:
Does this cause roid rage?
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It's called "roid" rage...i.e. you have to be on roids...lol...havoc is a pro-hormone...not sure it works either...it's muscletech :rolleyes:
 
Havoc isnt made by muscletech, and if you are saying it doesnt work, without trying it, doesnt seem like a good way to share information with people. It would probably be best if you shared information with people about products you have accually used, just a thought though.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Havoc isnt made by muscletech, and if you are saying it doesnt work, without trying it, doesnt seem like a good way to share information with people. It would probably be best if you shared information with people about products you have accually used, just a thought though.

-Legacy
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you are completely correct sir.
I don't trust in pro-hormones at all, and I'm mostly arguing from that standpoint...not worth the money
 
the_alcatraz said:
you are completely correct sir.
I don't trust in pro-hormones at all, and I'm mostly arguing from that standpoint...not worth the money
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Total BS, alc. Bashing a product you've never tried is like me discounting the Anadrol 50 you think so highly of when I've never even touched the stuff...

For 40 bucks I've gained 30 lbs on my deadlift in less than 3 weeks and I'm not even finished yet. My goal is to pull at least 330 which will put me @ 2x bodyweight. Not much compared to actual steroids but it has worked for me.

Some people like myself have too much to lose (legally) by taking chances w/ real gear, but that is my decision at this point in my life.

All this bashing of products people are ignorant about is exactly what is wrong w/ this board. Of course its not gonna have steroid like effects because it is LEGAL. Don't expect too much from it and you won't be let down.
 
the_alcatraz said:
you are completely correct sir.
I don't trust in pro-hormones at all, and I'm mostly arguing from that standpoint...not worth the money
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No big deal, I understand everyones "issues" with PHs. There are ALOT of scammers out there but I think some people have taken the PH Bashing a little far.

Some companies are making barely legal products from precursors to full blown AAS by simply adding a 17a on the front. Of course these dont last long before being banned but you can find some PHs that DO work. I dont understand how there can be hundred and hundreds of logs and reviews on products by people on forums form people that ARENT working for the companies, yet people will still refuse that the PH being reviewed works.

I just dont understand that while in threads where 5 or 6 people are saying that a PH IS working, people will still show up and say "No they dont work you guys are lieing, its just placebo".

As soon as I started taking Havoc, even with cut cals my lifts starting moving up with little to no fatigue. As I said since Ive been working on a body comp shift I havent worked out the exact numbers because I need an accurate BF% reading since my calipers got cracked.

I agree with the fact that lots of PHs are scams by companies and say they will prduce gains as crazy as muscletech, but there are acuually some decent ones, the problem is, most people that bash PHs dont take the time to realize that some people have found some decent ones.

I in no way care if people dont like PHs for certain reasons, but there is no point to bash PHs just for the sake of bashing them, especially if you havent tried any of them personally.

No biggie, Ive used a couple PHs that SUCKED and did nothing. Then lately I have tried a couple or read about a couple that have been getting real good reviews.

Who knows we'll see.

-Legacy
 
LMAO at people saying PH are garbage and then they turn around and push OTC products for PCT.

It's almost like me saying Lipoflame, Dermacrine, Unleashed, and AMP02 are all garbarge because they aren't illegal. Give me a break.

Some OTC products work and some don't. I don't think OTC are on par with tried and true AAS but "some" of them still work to a degree.

It's ignorant to bash products that you have never tried.

I have used Epistane and I thought it sucked. No gains and I was just tired and sick all of the time. At least I can speak from experience.

Dermacrine does what it says it does and I love it. Great OTC product.
 
I love Dermacrine.

I LIKE Havoc, good strength lifting and seems to helped lean me out and add some veins. But I did not like the letharic feeling on some days, some days even Lipoflame struggled to wake me up.

I may try CycloTren next since I have seem some decent reviews on the product.

-Legacy
 
Getting ready for a max next week, so I took it easy with some high weight low reps.

Squatted
185x3
205x3
215x3
225x3
225x3
235x2<new PR

Probably could have gotten the third rep on 235 but din't want to push it. Groin hurts after heavy squats.

Doing the same thing tomorrow for bench. It is a psychological workout more than anything, loading 2 plates each side and working with it rather than being intimidated by it...
 
artificialaspirations said:
Getting ready for a max next week, so I took it easy with some high weight low reps.

Squatted
185x3
205x3
215x3
225x3
225x3
235x2<new PR

Probably could have gotten the third rep on 235 but din't want to push it. Groin hurts after heavy squats.

Doing the same thing tomorrow for bench. It is a psychological workout more than anything, loading 2 plates each side and working with it rather than being intimidated by it...
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Nice. This is my second week on the Havoc at 30mg a day. I have been pretty geeked up in the gym and I am more aggressive. So far the only sides I am having are slight lethargy and the occasional back pump. The back pumps have been when doing RDLs and bent over rows, but my back usually pumps from those anyway. I haven't weighed myself since the first day, but I am defiantly getting more vascular. Looking forward to the third and fourth week. That is when all the magic happens.
 
Today marks the beginning of my third week of Derma and Havoc. I weighed myself and checked BF on 5-12 and I was 208 at 14%. Today I did the same and I am 218 at 14%!!!! Is that even possible? These are not wet gains. I am more vascular and everything is harder and fuller. Could it be my virgin receptors? I know a lot of you might call bullshit on 10 pounds in two weeks, but the scale don't lie.
 
Now we just need you to bang out some cardio and get the bf% down a little bit and ull be a beast! :-D

-Legacy

PS: Im out to burn some muscle boooo, basketball in 85 degree weather...Ill be dead by this afternoon lol.
 
Big Max squat day. I've been looking forward to this for a week and came down wiuth a nasty head cold. Didn't sleep great, not feeling good, but HAVE to test myself. Took some afrin and sudafed and went to the gym.

45x20
135x8
155x6
185x3
205x1
225x1
245x1 <--new pr!
255x1 <--new pr!
265x1 <--new pr!

Bodyweight this morning 166 lbs.

I'm feeling the squats in the hips alot. Hips are a bit sore after that squat workout. Tomorrow is bench day.
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Now we just need you to bang out some cardio and get the bf% down a little bit and ull be a beast! :-D

-Legacy

PS: Im out to burn some muscle boooo, basketball in 85 degree weather...Ill be dead by this afternoon lol.
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lol. I do cardio 4 times a week. That is just enough to keep me from getting too fat while eating upwards of 6000 kcal a day. I'll cut when I hit 260 lol.
 
artificialaspirations said:
Total BS, alc. Bashing a product you've never tried is like me discounting the Anadrol 50 you think so highly of when I've never even touched the stuff...

For 40 bucks I've gained 30 lbs on my deadlift in less than 3 weeks and I'm not even finished yet. My goal is to pull at least 330 which will put me @ 2x bodyweight. Not much compared to actual steroids but it has worked for me.

Some people like myself have too much to lose (legally) by taking chances w/ real gear, but that is my decision at this point in my life.

All this bashing of products people are ignorant about is exactly what is wrong w/ this board. Of course its not gonna have steroid like effects because it is LEGAL. Don't expect too much from it and you won't be let down.
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what's total bs is you thinking prohormones work...lol

Grow up kid.
 
Guess you dont read the poll results, thread about if prohormones work or not, MORE than not say they do work. You seem to have alot of time on your hands to come bash all these threads on prohormones yet you have no first hand experience with the product in question.

You spend an awfull lot of time in this section bashing things you have admitted to not knowing about, maybe you should stick to the AAS section instead of getting in the way in the sup section? Your input really isnt needed if you dont know anything about the topic of this thread.

We could have 100 people come in this thread and say Havoc is working for them and you would still say "Get the Juice, or you suck"...Looks like you telling anyone to grow up is a little hypocritical.

Thanks
-Legacy
 
What's also BS is you thinking you're something special. Get an original thought and and stop shadow posting the mods and mentors, its pathetic.
 
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DJLegacy2k1 said:
Guess you dont read the poll results, thread about if prohormones work or not, MORE than not say they do work. You seem to have alot of time on your hands to come bash all these threads on prohormones yet you have no first hand experience with the product in question.

You spend an awfull lot of time in this section bashing things you have admitted to not knowing about, maybe you should stick to the AAS section instead of getting in the way in the sup section? Your input really isnt needed if you dont know anything about the topic of this thread.

We could have 100 people come in this thread and say Havoc is working for them and you would still say "Get the Juice, or you suck"...Looks like you telling anyone to grow up is a little hypocritical.

Thanks
-Legacy
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I've done prohormones. I've done 1-nor products and M-1-Test products...they're all the same: bs. Just a waste of money. Eventually, you'll both realise it and stop being so stubborn about it.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I've done prohormones. I've done 1-nor products and M-1-Test products...they're all the same: bs. Just a waste of money. Eventually, you'll both realise it and stop being so stubborn about it.
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I think you are missing my stance. I think AAS and ProHormones have their place. Some Prohormones DO work and are good for quick legal bursts in training. If I cant or dont feel the need to look for illegal options, some prohormones will help get going towards goals. There is no need to bash a product or say things like "You are BS for thinking prohormones work...". Especially on a product with pretty good backing in reviews.

Now if I wanna gain 30lbs of muscle of course you need to start looking at a legit AAS cycle. Both Prohormones and AAS are tools in a much larger picture, and there are more than one road you can take to reaching your goals, keeping in mind that different people have different goals.

Bashing products because youre bored doesnt really help the forums in general. If you have first hand knowlege of the supplement in question and want to say that it didnt work, thats fine, but bashing just to bash is not helping anyone.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
JESUS, 6000 cals. They cant be all clean...lol

I get tired of eating when its only 3000 cals all clean.

-Legacy
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lollool Slight exaggeration on my part but I do average between 4500-5500 kcal a day. I usually can eat more on non training days. I eat clean year round and my main source of protein is red meat and whole eggs. So I consume a lot of fat as well. I did the anabolic diet for nearly a year a few years back and I have always thrived on a lower carb diet. On non training days I don't eat over 200 grams of CHO. Upwards of 500 grams of Protein every day. Yum Yum
 
Is anyone getting insane back pumps from the Havoc. I thought I was going to die today doing bent over BB rows. I did add 20 pounds and a couple of reps to my work set :p I am already taking 10 grams of taurine and a gram of potassium every day. I think I am going to drop the Amp02 and just use Lipo preworkout. The pumps are just too much.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I've done prohormones. I've done 1-nor products and M-1-Test products...they're all the same: bs. Just a waste of money. Eventually, you'll both realise it and stop being so stubborn about it.
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Lighten up Alc. You're a good bro and I value your opinion, but these guys opinions hold weight too. I have been running this stuff for 2 weeks and it is legit. It has actually worked beyond my expectations. You should give it a try. You might be surprised.
 
I know i dont konw as much as yous but its funny seeing how the person bashing havoc is the person who thought it was made by Muscle Tech
 
Ive been on Dermacrine/Phyto-Test for 3 weeks and this is my second week of Havoc..and yes it does work..and yes I indulged in real "gear" back in my early 20's..not that my opinion matters but It is more than obvious one of these 3 is working..at the beginning of my derma/phyto run I noticed more endurance..more libido..more pump and overall euphoria or sense of well being..I noticed I was recovering faster between workouts..the strength gains were very noticeable, just to give an example my incline barbell went from 205lbs for 6-8 to around 225lbs for 6-8 reps and has kept increasing into the 2 weeks I have been on Havoc and pressed 275 for 3 on my last chest workout last friday..and yes ive noticed noticeable fullness..hardness a little bit of added vascularity..although I was already pretty vascular already..at first on the dermacrine/phyto my body weight went from 240 at 6'3 to 228 but yet I could tell my muscles were growing ie strength gains and I looked bigger in the mirror..now 2 weeks into my Havoc my body weight has climbed back to 239ish..just my experience thus far haven't really invested the time in a detailed log dealing with specifics..but to hit it in a nutshell im eating 6 cans of tuna a day..4 medium sized potatoes..2 tblsp. of Natty PB..a gallon and a half of water..and assorted vegetables throughout the day..milk thistle..hawthorn berry..but anyway..imho..one of these is working..and as far as the havoc..ive heard that the real gains come in 3rd and 4th week..30mg ed..and yes there is "NO" substitute or equal to real gear..but its nice to have an alternative..

*If I could do it over yes I would have taken before pics..
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
I think you are missing my stance. I think AAS and ProHormones have their place. Some Prohormones DO work and are good for quick legal bursts in training. If I cant or dont feel the need to look for illegal options, some prohormones will help get going towards goals. There is no need to bash a product or say things like "You are BS for thinking prohormones work...". Especially on a product with pretty good backing in reviews.

Now if I wanna gain 30lbs of muscle of course you need to start looking at a legit AAS cycle. Both Prohormones and AAS are tools in a much larger picture, and there are more than one road you can take to reaching your goals, keeping in mind that different people have different goals.

Bashing products because youre bored doesnt really help the forums in general. If you have first hand knowlege of the supplement in question and want to say that it didnt work, thats fine, but bashing just to bash is not helping anyone.

-Legacy
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Fine. I'll make you a deal. I'll buy havoc next month and try it out. WE'll see if it works. Maybe it's just me. Maybe they don't do it for me because I'm used to the AAS. I just never got any results.
 
Our Sponsor Just Add Muscle sells Havoc! You get to support a sponsor also :-D

I agree that Prohormones will not replace a test/tren cycle, but if you are trying to get a legal boost to your workouts I dont see any problem using some of the prohormones that have decent reviews to try and give you a kick.

I will agree Prohormones can not REPLACE AAS, but I think they have their place if the product is proven and can help in any way, its all goal related.

-Legacy

PS: Also I do agree that if you have been running years of AAS you probably wont FEEL the kick as much as someone who hasnt ran any cycles of AAS or very few. You could be PAST the point of getting results from Prohormones since they are much milder than the big boys, but for people not as experienced in AAS use, I think they can still do some good.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Fine. I'll make you a deal. I'll buy havoc next month and try it out. WE'll see if it works. Maybe it's just me. Maybe they don't do it for me because I'm used to the AAS. I just never got any results.
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I am very surprised to see this. Are you gonna run it solo or with test and other gear?
 
Alc..I feel ya man..possibly the reason I noticed a diff or benefit from it is probably due to the fact that it has been almost 8 years since I indulged in the real deal..but in all honestly if you can obtain the real deal and don't have a family or even a career where a felony would be a career ending event to where you would lose years in college and such..id stick with the real thing as there is no comparison..as you might be disappointed in the benefit especially if you have been cycling for the last few years vs the guys that don't have the option for real gear or choose to play it safe and not risk family or career..or have not ever indulged by choice or had an ample opportunity to do so regarding the real deal..just my opinion.. :RADAR

*Yes I realize this is one hell of a runon sentence.. :evil:
 
Max Bench Day

135x10
155x8
185x3
205x1
225x1
240x1
250x1 <--new pr!
255x1 <--new pr!

Bodyweight 166 this morning.

I thought I would do a bit better, but 240 and above felt really heavy. Oh well, 250 was my goal (1.5x bw) and I beat that so I cannot complain. I'm still abit under the weather with the headcold although I think I've turned the corner. Not breathing efficiently as usual though.

I am feeling comfortable with 225 now for reps. Less than a month ago I could barely get one. Placebo effect or not it was worth the 40 bucks to get me through the psychological block that 225 imposed on me...

Tomorrow is max dead day.
 
Max Dead day
135x10
185x8
225x5
275x3
315x1
335x1 <--new pr!
355x1 <--new pr!

I lost my form on that last one and it was very difficult for me so I didn't go any higher. 335 was my goal (2x bw) and I achieved that. I have 9 pills left and work the next three days so I won't be able to lift. I think I will take them to help with recovery and start my pct on Sunday.

PCT will be clomid 50 mgs every other day for 3 weeks. I get bloodwork shortly thereafter.

I did notice a mild breakout on my forehead that looks more like a rash than nodular acne and the only thing I can attribute it to is the havoc. This has been throughout the cycle.

All in all, I am very impressed and would definitely run it again.

Bench increased 30 lbs
Squat increased 40 lbs
Dead increased 70 lbs

All lifts are raw
 
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I am very surprised to see this. Are you gonna run it solo or with test and other gear?
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solo. you have my word. I will make a statement of appology to you on here if it works for me.
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Alc,

I dont think anyone is looking for an appology, just more of an open mind, thats all, its all good brotha.

-Legacy
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I would love for you guys to prove me wrong. I've tried pro-hormones and was really disappointed. They didnt do shit for me. If havoc works out for me, then great. I'll change my mind. If it doesnt, then it won't be a big surprise for me.
 
OK. HAvoc is finished and I start the pct tonight. I was 164 this morning and still feel fuller, stronger and more vascular than when I started. No less than 4 of my employees have made comments that I look like I've been working out. This is from only 4 lbs of bodyweight. I will post up how much I keep and how my strength levels are affected. I am starting a small cutter by reducing and cleaning up the cals. I am using Dermatherm, Tea-3, and Creatine Ehtyl Ester to hopefully maintain gains. I'd like to lose 5 lbs before I go to the beach @ the end of the month.
 
artificialaspirations said:
OK. HAvoc is finished and I start the pct tonight. I was 164 this morning and still feel fuller, stronger and more vascular than when I started. No less than 4 of my employees have made comments that I look like I've been working out. This is from only 4 lbs of bodyweight. I will post up how much I keep and how my strength levels are affected. I am starting a small cutter by reducing and cleaning up the cals. I am using Dermatherm, Tea-3, and Creatine Ehtyl Ester to hopefully maintain gains. I'd like to lose 5 lbs before I go to the beach @ the end of the month.
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Awesome log bro congratulations on your new strength and gains.
 
I wish they would hurry up with the new batch of this stuff they keep putting the date off.
 
when will they be available again. I need to some within 2-3 weeks bro :worried:

Just Add Muscle said:
I wish they would hurry up with the new batch of this stuff they keep putting the date off.
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the_alcatraz said:
when will they be available again. I need to some within 2-3 weeks bro :worried:
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I have them in the store bro,just only like 5 bottles left at this point.I just called their distributor and they keep putting it off.Now they said not until friday or monday.They have been doing that for a month.
 
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