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Havoc is most similar to what steroid?
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Havoc- 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Anadrol- 17β-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17α-methyl-3-androstanone
Anavar- 17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstan-3-one
Boldenone- 17-beta-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one
Dbol- 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one
Halo- 9-alpha-fluoro-11-beta-hydroxy-17-alpha-methyl-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol
masteron- 2 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
primo- 17 beta-hydroxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3-one
proviron- 1 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
test- 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
winstrol- 17 alpha-methyl-5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol
didn't list the estras like deca and tren bacause they are more dissimilar
Anadrol- 17β-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17α-methyl-3-androstanone
Anavar- 17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstan-3-one
Boldenone- 17-beta-hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one
Dbol- 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one
Halo- 9-alpha-fluoro-11-beta-hydroxy-17-alpha-methyl-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol
masteron- 2 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
primo- 17 beta-hydroxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3-one
proviron- 1 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
test- 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
winstrol- 17 alpha-methyl-5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol
didn't list the estras like deca and tren bacause they are more dissimilar
Shitadrol.
Damn bro lol.... Havoc is not too bad if that's all you have.
J
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And the hundreds of people all over the net that have taken it with amazing results are all placebos I suppose. Either that or RPN paid all of them to lie.
And the hundreds of people all over the net that have taken it with amazing results are all placebos I suppose. Either that or RPN paid all of them to lie.
Didn't flame it. Just named it.
BTW...I know a guy who weighs 216 lbs and can Bench Press 525 X 4!
rediculus
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but can he bench 526.....Honestly JAM I am glad thid question came up..Still trying to coincide havoc cyclotren monsterdrol with their "nearest cousins" to undestand more their effects or relation drug wise so I can read more about the effects of that particular compound? if that makes any sense at all.
And the hundreds of people all over the net that have taken it with amazing results are all placebos I suppose. Either that or RPN paid all of them to lie.
yeah..where the fuck is my check?
haha...j/k
I stacked havoc and cylotren together. I was really impressed. I only did a 4 week cycle. Gained about 12lbs and after pct I kept about 6-7lbs.
I got the stomach flu mid way through pct, so not sure if I wouldn've kept more of my gains if it hadn't been for that. All in all I'm still happy with the lean mass I put on. Also got quit a bit of definition, and lost a lil bf.
I'd do it again.
monsterdrol is a child hormone to masteron.
monsterdrol is masteron's chemical structure with the added 17aalpha methyl to make it orally bioavailable.
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You cant compare any of them with already existing orals because most are very different. I would say havoc results are similar to what you would get from winy with out the dry joints and it actually helps you a bit with estrogen. Monsterdrol is like a masteron with some heavy var in it because it makes you very tight and very strong yet it puts on a good amount of dry muscle mass unlike masteron. Pheravol or Plex= Dbol with out the lethargy issues and stronger mg per mg. I would challenge any1 to need 80mgs a day of p-plex. Cyclotren=milder form of trenbolone with just as much strength gains and sleepless sweaty nights and thermogenic effect. None of these will give wet gains except P-plex or Pheravol V.
If I want a Cheeseburger, I order a Cheeseburger,
... not a Pro-Cheeseburger.
It's just my choice of ammo. I've run original Superdrol, PP...All good shit. I just prefer old fashioned AAS.
... not a Pro-Cheeseburger.
It's just my choice of ammo. I've run original Superdrol, PP...All good shit. I just prefer old fashioned AAS.
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J
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Prohormone is just a term used to keep it under the radar. The reason why the original superdrol was discontinued was not because anabolic extremes did not want to make any more money. It was because they were too open with it and even though it had not been classified. The FDA went knocking on there door and told them they had to stop manufacturing the product. They were too out in the open and when there is too many printed adds in every magazine eventually they will come a knocking weather its classified or not. The FDA has a team of scientists in chemists on their team also and they are very well informed on these products. Its just a matter of getting laws on paper and classifications before they can officially tell every one to stop. To me honestly I would rather be selling protein powders and no explode to every one and seeing them get the same results.
Unfortunately these are some of the only products beside ephedrine and fat burners where users will notice major differences in strength and muscle gains very fast. I stock over 2000 products in our store and our warehouse. These are by far the hottest items these days with customers. I know that the gravy train will end soon and believe me like I said Id rather be selling other products that are not being threaten and on the hot skillet.
cyclotren DOES NOT produce the same strength gains that tren does.
you have to take 100mg of cyclotren daily to feel anything.
50mg daily of tren ace will get you strong as shit.
Thanks for the replies I was just asking because a friend of mine started taking it and he is a cop so has no other alternative. I have always wondered how safe prohormones actually are actually for you. I mean most steroids have been around for a long time and have been developed for medical needs so long term affects are known. My partner has taken M1t before and lost everything he gained and felt like shit afterwards even though he took 6 0x0 or whatever for pct.
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I have to disagree here with you. I have ran both and at 50 mgs a day tren ace will not do much but maybe add some hardness and strength. I have yet to find any aas that gives the kind of strength that I got from Cyclotren. I was repping 315 for 8 all the way down and pause and weighing 225 bro. By far the strongest I have ever been in my life. I have yet to try Havoc or Monsterdrol but Cyclotren as far as strength=unmatched so far. I am hoping the cyclobolan product will be better than it as far as strength and size gains. I gained very little as far as weight on it but saw very good body composition changes.
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M1t was absolute garbage imo. Todays products need no conversion and are far less harsh as far as sides. If he is taking Havoc and gets tested he will more than likely test positive to aas so tell him to be careful.
I did get good comp change. You've seen my thread and made multiple comments. cyclo-tren is a good product, but cyclo-tren does not produce the strength gains like you said. For me anyways. I just didn't see it.
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rediculus
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Hah!! we have a discussion...I saw another product ICON? Also I was thinking of stacking Cyclotren with Either M drol or Icon or havoc and Dermacrine..3 way stack Possibly a little big for a first cycle. My goal is just pure strength that is KEPT!! I don't need to shoot a needle and lift 400 lbs for 10 minutes or I'd be on PCP..long term gains whats your opinion JAM?
bsdgeek
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I'll have to agree with the old man on this one. Pro-hormones are worse on you than the real shit, and typically produce more bad sides. I'll stick with the real deal, I have a guy whose been trying to give me some M1T, and some other pro-hormone. He says it works, but it makes him feel like shit. Now, I don't know about you, but I like to feel good most of the time.... hell... call me crazy
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Next time you run it do it on Caloric surplus and train heavy short work outs with no cardio at all and you will see the strength skyrocket. When you diet and do cardio you wont get same strength gains as some one on a bulking diet doing no cardio.
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So far we have very little feedback on Icon bro. I am not sure if it will give the bang for the buck that monsterdrol or Havoc or Cyclotren will give you. The good part about it is that you can stack it with Cyclotren/Monsterdrol and be in the safe zone because you would only be using one methylated compound.
rediculus
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Sooo
could you
stack dermacrine +Cyclotren + Monsterdrol and or icon?
I figured those and a weight gainingg shake I should be able to reduce BF% and gain strength or at least gain strength and maintain?
Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size (g) 168
Servings Per 24
Calories 630
Fat Calories 40
Total Fat (g) 4
Sat. Fat (g) 2.5
Cholesterol (mg) 75
Sodium (mg) 350
Potassium (mg) 500
Total Carbs (g) 97
Dietary Fiber (g) 1.5
Sugars (g) 10
Proteins (g) 52
any better ideas?
could you
stack dermacrine +Cyclotren + Monsterdrol and or icon?
I figured those and a weight gainingg shake I should be able to reduce BF% and gain strength or at least gain strength and maintain?
Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size (g) 168
Servings Per 24
Calories 630
Fat Calories 40
Total Fat (g) 4
Sat. Fat (g) 2.5
Cholesterol (mg) 75
Sodium (mg) 350
Potassium (mg) 500
Total Carbs (g) 97
Dietary Fiber (g) 1.5
Sugars (g) 10
Proteins (g) 52
any better ideas?
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Yes, I remember mentioning something about that in my thread. I was at maintenance or just below maintenance calories and still got stronger. I'm sure strength would have been better.
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I'll have to agree with the old man on this one. Pro-hormones are worse on you than the real shit, and typically produce more bad sides. I'll stick with the real deal, I have a guy whose been trying to give me some M1T, and some other pro-hormone. He says it works, but it makes him feel like shit. Now, I don't know about you, but I like to feel good most of the time.... hell... call me crazy
I agree with him also,true prohormones that require conversion by the liver enzymes for the most part are garbage. How ever the new products are not prohormones. There is a lot of confusion in this matter but a lot of bros are becoming educated and seeing the light. I myself used to think the same way as most bros do until they basically tied me down and forced me to take the stuff before I believed.
needtogetaas
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ya
superclock
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This is exactly what I have been doing and I agree completely. Short, heavy lifting with no cardio at all, which suits me just fine. BUT, I am also 37 and have never done a cycle of anything until now. Could be the 35+ thing as it seems other "older" guys also have dramatic results. My strength is way up and I have so far gone from 204lbs to 216lbs with a drop of 2% bf. I am on week four of a six week Havoc/Cyclotren run plus I added 5 pumps Dermacrine ED this week. I am really digging the mix and I feel confident that I will use Cyclotren in addition to any other methylated products in the future (like Monsterdrol!)
