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Nelson Montana

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There are so many factors about muscle growth and steroid use and hormonal manipulation that still are unknown. And many things "the book" says, just don't add up. I've spent my life addressing many of those things. I don't know if it's an artistic approach or a scientific one. Maybe I'm just a stubborn son of a bitch and if the pieces don't fit I want to find out why. In doing so, I'd like to think that I've discovered a fair share of applications that make the process more production and in doing so, has helped others. But controversy is rarely embraced. It takes time to settle in, become evaluated, discussed, debated, and maybe if it's got some validity, it changes the way people look at things from there on. I live for that.

Having said that, let's talk about balls!

(Only here can such a topic be considered viable).

That's right, balls. We got 'em. We love 'em. And they are at the bottom (pun intended) of what makes us men, and makes our muscles grow. They also take a hell of a lot of abuse from anabolic androgenic steroids. We all know about atrophy and the reasons behind it. But sometimes...things seem to happen that just don't follow suit. They go against the grain. This is where I have an issue with the egg heads who don't use steroids. Sure, I'd rather listen to Big Cat than some lunkhead who just fills the syringe to the top and doesn't know what's doing what. But unless you analyze the ways these compounds work first hand, you'll always be missing part of the equation.

So here's my scenario. I'm on HRT and I don't really experience testicular atrophy much. Very slight. So every 2 months I d a little HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and boom, back to normal. The week I use the HCG I don't take my weekly shot of T, reason being, I like to use a holistic approach of sorts -- let the body do as much of the work as possible. This is vital to get the most out of HRT. The idea isn't to rely on the exo T, but to use it as support. Incidentally, I do the same thing with my thyroid. I use the lowest dose of Armour and then use supplements to support my thyroid naturally. After 5 years, I've never had to raise my dosage. The body works best when it's doing what it's supposed to do. Same with testosterone. Even though you may be getting more than you can ever make by using gear, the body still works best when it isn't shut down. Anyway, on to the discovery.

After about 10 days after the HcG, I start to "feel " as if I need more T. My body has gotten used to a healthy level and I know when it's getting too low. The curious thing is, at this time, my testes start to shrink a bit. is it the HcG wearing off? Maybe. But then when I do my shot -- WHAPPO, they plump up again. Now, if the testes shut off when exo T is added, what just happend here? Has anyone else noticed a bigger hanging sack AFTER taking their shot?

My theory is this. There's more to Endo T and outright ball size than the amount of steroids you use. It's also about libido. It's about the brain. That extra T boosts my libido which in turn gives a signal to the boys to get ready for some spritzin.'

This is just a tiny example of the body reacting in a way that doesn't make sense on the surface, but of course there's a reason for everything. There's so much we don't know. After all, there's very little legitimate study of this stuff.

So does anyone notice more testicular atrophy when "off" than "on." Or the better question might be, has anyone noticed no atrophy or an even BIGGER sack when on? Strange question I know but somebody had to ask it. It just might be a clue to a host of other theories in the making.
 
I don't get it. Sometimes I have gotten quite a bit of atrophy, always with a full recovery. But, other times, doing the same things (dose, drugs, time etc.) I don't have any atrophy at all. So, I have no idea.
 
What he said,
I also think that the BRAIN play a HUGE role in what the body does.....I do not understand the entire process completely as no one prob. does anyway, but what I found to work on consistant bases is that our bodies like continuity and hates spikes and valeys. I think that once you break that smooth cycle our bodies prefer that when trouble starts.
I do experience some athrophy when off on occasions and usually well past my P C T but I don't think is more than I'm on although I use H C G. Not sure why but my bet is on the brain signals but that's just speculation
 
never had any shrinkage that ive noticed i did run hcg before, i couldnt tell you what would of happened if i didnt run it....i know i have a son after that cycle hmmm.
 
Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I do think that sometimes it's the changes in continuity more than the actual influx that causes the hormonal system to get wacky. That's why someone can take MORE test and have a LOWER libido. It's fascinating. It's also another good reason to avoid excessive shut down and to maintain natty hormonal balance, even when on, as best as possible.
 
Good Stuff there, Mr. Montana! As you know I'm on HRT also.

I do basically the same thing with my HCG. Only I run it on a little shorter intervals, but otherwise the same.
Only once, when I ran out and had to wait 6 weeks to resupply, did they go into shrink-mode. But they came back like Extra Large Eggs within weeks.

....And I was back hittin' the ceiling again. :dance2:
 
Nelson Montana said:
So does anyone notice more testicular atrophy when "off" than "on." Or the better question might be, has anyone noticed no atrophy or an even BIGGER sack when on? Strange question I know but somebody had to ask it. It just might be a clue to a host of other theories in the making.

I don' know, I personally don't pay that much attention to my balls. Haha.

A couple comments/questions.

Are you sure your balls get bigger after your T shot following your HCG regimen? Maybe you are imagining it. Seems like you would need some objective measurement - maybe you should invent some kind of balls caliper. Haha.

You have mentioned a couple times that you think your TRT dose does not shut you down completely - you take 100 mgs/week right? - just like I do. Do you have any evidence for this? What is your reason for thinking this? I have always assumed it shuts you down completely.
 
i swear my balls change size by the hour

but they do get noticeable smaller when i'm on

hc.g helps but it seems like the more i use the less it works wtf??

for example if i just take 1 500iu dose a month my balls will get bigger

but when i was doing 500iu ED and EOD, they didn't seem to respond as fast

right now i'm on 300mg test E and 600mg of preemo weekly.

my libido is solid, but my balls are smaller than normal...haven't done any hc.g for a good month, might take in a single 500iu just to see what happens
 
mine shrink while on, and when off they're full size. i'm not on hrt, and really have no other issues with that area. i do have a really high libido, ridiculously high. so my natural t levels are normally high anyway, according to bloodwork. but, i don't mind the shrinkage while on, i have bull nuts, so a little shrinkage makes me feel normal anyway.
 
There are so many factors about muscle growth and steroid use and hormonal manipulation that still are unknown. And many things "the book" says, just don't add up. I've spent my life addressing many of those things. I don't know if it's an artistic approach or a scientific one. Maybe I'm just a stubborn son of a bitch and if the pieces don't fit I want to find out why. In doing so, I'd like to think that I've discovered a fair share of applications that make the process more production and in doing so, has helped others. But controversy is rarely embraced. It takes time to settle in, become evaluated, discussed, debated, and maybe if it's got some validity, it changes the way people look at things from there on. I live for that.

Having said that, let's talk about balls!

(Only here can such a topic be considered viable).

That's right, balls. We got 'em. We love 'em. And they are at the bottom (pun intended) of what makes us men, and makes our muscles grow. They also take a hell of a lot of abuse from anabolic androgenic steroids. We all know about atrophy and the reasons behind it. But sometimes...things seem to happen that just don't follow suit. They go against the grain. This is where I have an issue with the egg heads who don't use steroids. Sure, I'd rather listen to Big Cat than some lunkhead who just fills the syringe to the top and doesn't know what's doing what. But unless you analyze the ways these compounds work first hand, you'll always be missing part of the equation.

So here's my scenario. I'm on HRT and I don't really experience testicular atrophy much. Very slight. So every 2 months I d a little HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and boom, back to normal. The week I use the HCG I don't take my weekly shot of T, reason being, I like to use a holistic approach of sorts -- let the body do as much of the work as possible. This is vital to get the most out of HRT. The idea isn't to rely on the exo T, but to use it as support. Incidentally, I do the same thing with my thyroid. I use the lowest dose of Armour and then use supplements to support my thyroid naturally. After 5 years, I've never had to raise my dosage. The body works best when it's doing what it's supposed to do. Same with testosterone. Even though you may be getting more than you can ever make by using gear, the body still works best when it isn't shut down. Anyway, on to the discovery.

After about 10 days after the HcG, I start to "feel " as if I need more T. My body has gotten used to a healthy level and I know when it's getting too low. The curious thing is, at this time, my testes start to shrink a bit. is it the HcG wearing off? Maybe. But then when I do my shot -- WHAPPO, they plump up again. Now, if the testes shut off when exo T is added, what just happend here? Has anyone else noticed a bigger hanging sack AFTER taking their shot?

My theory is this. There's more to Endo T and outright ball size than the amount of steroids you use. It's also about libido. It's about the brain. That extra T boosts my libido which in turn gives a signal to the boys to get ready for some spritzin.'

This is just a tiny example of the body reacting in a way that doesn't make sense on the surface, but of course there's a reason for everything. There's so much we don't know. After all, there's very little legitimate study of this stuff.

So does anyone notice more testicular atrophy when "off" than "on." Or the better question might be, has anyone noticed no atrophy or an even BIGGER sack when on? Strange question I know but somebody had to ask it. It just might be a clue to a host of other theories in the making.

Cycle Test P and Mast 100mg EOD 8weeks

At about 10 days in noticed mild atrophy and then it appeared to return to normal.

During PCT of Post Cycle,Unleashed,Sustain Alpa and Adex .25mg EOD I'm experiencing the most shrinkage to date. Sex drive is fine but the sack has become small. Any thoughts?
 
Cycle Test P and Mast 100mg EOD 8weeks

At about 10 days in noticed mild atrophy and then it appeared to return to normal.

During PCT of Post Cycle,Unleashed,Sustain Alpa and Adex .25mg EOD I'm experiencing the most shrinkage to date. Sex drive is fine but the sack has become small. Any thoughts?

I know it sounds weird but sometimes when recovering the testes get a little tighter. As long as sex drive is good PC, you're doing all right.
 
I don' know, I personally don't pay that much attention to my balls. Haha.

A couple comments/questions.

Are you sure your balls get bigger after your T shot following your HCG regimen? Maybe you are imagining it. Seems like you would need some objective measurement - maybe you should invent some kind of balls caliper. Haha.

You have mentioned a couple times that you think your TRT dose does not shut you down completely - you take 100 mgs/week right? - just like I do. Do you have any evidence for this? What is your reason for thinking this? I have always assumed it shuts you down completely.
Just had to pop in and laugh at this shit.
 
Just had to pop in and laugh at this shit.

I have it. Fill a 4 cup measuring cup with 3 cups water. Dip your balls in the cup and see how much water they displace. This is a great way to measure volume and or mass of the mc nuggets.

You can put a ruler on the side of the cup and measure how many inches or cm of water is displaced. Or use the cup size if you got really big ass nits.
 
my balls are still either the same size or small enough to not notice. I would say about an inch or so long about a quart(25 cent piece) in diameter
 
I have it. Fill a 4 cup measuring cup with 3 cups water. Dip your balls in the cup and see how much water they displace. This is a great way to measure volume and or mass of the mc nuggets.

You can put a ruler on the side of the cup and measure how many inches or cm of water is displaced. Or use the cup size if you got really big ass nits.

lol, you are such a goofy-ass sometimes.

Why don't you just slap your sack on a gramscale? LMAO!!!
 
I have it. Fill a 4 cup measuring cup with 3 cups water. Dip your balls in the cup and see how much water they displace. This is a great way to measure volume and or mass of the mc nuggets.

You can put a ruler on the side of the cup and measure how many inches or cm of water is displaced. Or use the cup size if you got really big ass nits.

doctors actually have a ring with different balls on it for getting approximate size, I seen them use it on unknown mysteries of the ER on discovery health
 
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