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Just curious if anyone has met anyone who has followed the Westside methods and have not gained in their bench and squat/dead?
Has anyone not gained with the Westside program?
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jcp2
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it took me a little while to get used to it, and i went a little too heavy on my accessory work in the beginning, but after a few months i did, and still do very good on it. Don't get discouraged if in the beginnig you don't have huge gains. At least this is the way it worked for me, i see alot of guys get real strong in the beginning.
wnt2bBeast
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i think those that fail start out doing way too much volume and overtraining..beofre i started WS alot told me it would be too much and that i would overtrain..well yeah i was sore and still deal with soreness from the amount of weight m using but it has made my lifts go up especailly my squat..
dont feel you need to copy Childress's training log and do everything he does..stick with the basics and work your way up over te course of a few months..
remember also doing GHR's or reverse hypers is a lot less strenuous on ther CNS than replacing them with Stiff legged or RDL's..nothing wrong with using those as a replacment just remember its assistance work your not maxing on them
dont feel you need to copy Childress's training log and do everything he does..stick with the basics and work your way up over te course of a few months..
remember also doing GHR's or reverse hypers is a lot less strenuous on ther CNS than replacing them with Stiff legged or RDL's..nothing wrong with using those as a replacment just remember its assistance work your not maxing on them
Illuminati
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when i first started with WSB program, i was doing way too much accessory work, and was struggling to make gains. this was due to my body building background. i almost had to force myself, (at first) to stick to the template, and cut WAY back on the accessory work. i am thankful that i did. my strength has shot through the roof. it may take a while to get used to the workout, but stick with it, and you will be very impressed with the gains that you will make.
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curgeo
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The big change in going from powerlifting to bodybuilding is the work load. When bb you are trying to isolate the muscle so only that bodypart(s) get sore. It does not take too large a toll on the body. When you PL you are using a lot more muscle. It really fatigues you in a way you can't descibe.
When I started, like the others I tried to do too much because that is what I was used to. Your body will give you a quick "Fuckyou!" after a couple weeks and you will overtrain, regress and just be hit. When you start to realize the signs in yourself of overtraining your CNS you notice your gains to be better.
When I started, like the others I tried to do too much because that is what I was used to. Your body will give you a quick "Fuckyou!" after a couple weeks and you will overtrain, regress and just be hit. When you start to realize the signs in yourself of overtraining your CNS you notice your gains to be better.
Quadsweeps Sister
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It is true with Westside as with some other advanced programs - beginning and intermediate level lifters get stuck in trying to do too much, as some have said here. It is difficult to train like Elite level powerlifters whose CNS can handle the overload and increased training volumes the workouts suggest. How do you know where you stand in terms of ability? Well - sometimes its hard to tell until you get into it.
Try taking a peek at this article. It might help a bit in figuring out what parts of the Westside program may work better for you. Take care. Five things I needed to change as an Intermediate Lifter
Try taking a peek at this article. It might help a bit in figuring out what parts of the Westside program may work better for you. Take care. Five things I needed to change as an Intermediate Lifter
majutsu
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What a great thread! I'm there . . . I misunderstood the purpose of all 3 parts of wsb: heavy work, speed work, and assistance work.
For the heavy work, I did not think in terms of powerlifting volume, taking small intervals to your max so you have more high weight/ low rep work. I would jump right up to my max, like it was a meet . . . And I didn't switch max movements enough. Also, I would psyche myself up, and Dave Tate says in an article to NOT psyche yourself up for max effort, but just try to get a good workload at 80-90+% max.
For assistance work, I went crazy heavy . . . I overtrained very quickly.
For speed work, I didn't know what I was doing and still don't.
So JUST LIKE curgeo said, at 2 weeks I hit a mental and physical wall (with steroids mind you) of complete CNS exhaustion and frustration.
So it would be hard to say westside worked or didn't work. It's a subtle and complicated system, and the fault is usually with the user, not the "system" (which is not systematic or "programmed" at all . . . )
For the heavy work, I did not think in terms of powerlifting volume, taking small intervals to your max so you have more high weight/ low rep work. I would jump right up to my max, like it was a meet . . . And I didn't switch max movements enough. Also, I would psyche myself up, and Dave Tate says in an article to NOT psyche yourself up for max effort, but just try to get a good workload at 80-90+% max.
For assistance work, I went crazy heavy . . . I overtrained very quickly.
For speed work, I didn't know what I was doing and still don't.
So JUST LIKE curgeo said, at 2 weeks I hit a mental and physical wall (with steroids mind you) of complete CNS exhaustion and frustration.
So it would be hard to say westside worked or didn't work. It's a subtle and complicated system, and the fault is usually with the user, not the "system" (which is not systematic or "programmed" at all . . . )
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wnt2bBeast
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majutsu said:
i know you want it to work..therefore youll adjust it then you will see the gains..
theres a ew article written by Wendler about how to go about ME work..ill ilink it but there a few other new ones you should look at too
http://www.elitefitnesssystems.com/documents/max_effort_easy.htm
use it as a guide line..i dont thin youll need to take a calculator with you when you lift lol
blut wump
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It might be worth taking an easier week just to deload before trying again to get it just right lest you turn into a warning for others. I'm pretty new to any kind of systemized training myself and it is hard to get away from wanting to throw in a few more minor sets or to go heavy on them at the end of your intended workout.
QSis, great link. I like the "You can't flex bone". It reminds me of a post I saw the other day about the point you get to after you think you've fixed all your weaknesses and reached the stage where the bar just grinds up the whole way through the lift. There's pretty much nothing you can do after that to lift heavier weights except except grow some more muscle.
QSis, great link. I like the "You can't flex bone". It reminds me of a post I saw the other day about the point you get to after you think you've fixed all your weaknesses and reached the stage where the bar just grinds up the whole way through the lift. There's pretty much nothing you can do after that to lift heavier weights except except grow some more muscle.
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