hairloss

[cop]

my hair is thinning out so i have to be carefull with gear....i thought that a cycle of 400mg eq couldn't harm..but i was wrong...i've again hairloss despite using dutasteride 0.5mg/day
what options are left??? who uses test with dutasteride and don't have any hairloss????
I can always try anavar or turanabol...just 3 kinds of drugs..thats all .
fucking hairloss

 

[Guvna]

try topical spiro.

 

[turbogreek]

EQ shedded my hair bad bro. i'm in my 2nd week of 500mg sustanon now and i'm taking 2.5mg finasteride with it. haven't lost a hair since. actually...before i started my cycle...i was still losing hair and now it totally stopped so it looks like i'm gonna be staying on the finasteride for a while.

 

[showtime2004]

EQ shedded my hair bad bro. i'm in my 2nd week of 500mg sustanon now and i'm taking 2.5mg finasteride with it. haven't lost a hair since. actually...before i started my cycle...i was still losing hair and now it totally stopped so it looks like i'm gonna be staying on the finasteride for a while.

You're taking 2.5mg/day? Isn't that a lot? I'm going to be adding finastride into my next cycle but I'm not sure how much I need.

 

[turbogreek]

well...my doctor prescribed 1mg propecia for me and all that did is slow things down a bit. i took double doses a few times and that got the job done. so this time since i'm cycling...i ordered generic 5mg proscar (Fincar) from a very reputable legit/legal online pharmacy. break the tabs in half and take it with my nolva in the morning and no more hairloss. 2.5mg isn't that uncommon.

 

[silverbackn]

have you guys had any sexual sides at that dosage?

 

[fergie]

you only need to use 1mg/ed anything more is overkill

 

[NYBodyguard]

1 is more then enough

 

[help4john]

have you guys had any sexual sides at that dosage?

Good question....any answers?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

2 posts for EQ shredding hair...How is that possible?

 

[TraxZBT]

2 posts for EQ shredding hair...How is that possible?

Its more likely the EQ caused an auto-immune response and the hairs just shed.... probably nothing to do with MPB at all.. Same reason why people shed on var..

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

I have MPB, big time. Shedding, early 20's - no juice. EQ didn't touch my hair....

 

[turbogreek]

have you guys had any sexual sides at that dosage?

nope...nothing

 

[turbogreek]

bodyguard and fergie say it's overkill but i did see a difference (BTW...i do respect what both of you say because i know that you're both knowledged bros). like i said earlier though, i went from lightly shedding with 1mg and not cycling to no shedding at all while cycling with 2.5mg.

so...for the time being...i'm gonna keep it at that. i was thinking about breaking the 5mg into 4 pieces and throwing in some saw palmetto if needed.

 

[krishna]

my hair is thinning out so i have to be carefull with gear....i thought that a cycle of 400mg eq couldn't harm..but i was wrong...i've again hairloss despite using dutasteride 0.5mg/day
what options are left??? who uses test with dutasteride and don't have any hairloss????
I can always try anavar or turanabol...just 3 kinds of drugs..thats all .
fucking hairloss

Is dutasteride finasteride? What's up with your name bro?

 

[mrplunkey]

Is dutasteride finasteride? What's up with your name bro?

Dutasteride is finasteride's more powerful cousin, that blocks both "flavors" of the 5AR enzyme -- not just one. Right now, it's only medical indication is for prostate irritation/enlargement (BPH).

 

[cop]

dutasteride is much more potent than finasteride bro..and my nickname is just a name that sounds good and who nobody can forget.....
I think i going to try some test then...there are some bros who uses test and finasteride or dutasteride and haven't hairloss

 

[krishna]

dutasteride is much more potent than finasteride bro..and my nickname is just a name that sounds good and who nobody can forget.....
I think i going to try some test then...there are some bros who uses test and finasteride or dutasteride and haven't hairloss

LOL...ya that name will be hard to forget. I doubt it's MPB if you're using dutasteride then. What areas are you shedding in?

 

[Phaded]

crazy shit i am in the exact same boat as you cop.. i tried eq and it made my fucking hair shed like crazy.. i'm in my 20's and was already losing hair to genetics so i thought eq would be mild on my hair.. it fucking killed it.. then i started reading you can keep hair with test and finsteride so i thought i'd try it.. its crazy how we make the exact same post with the exact same problem at the exact same time.. .. let me know how your test cycle goes.. ill be starting in a month.. enan 500 mg a week..

 

[wayneboard1]

OK so everything I read on EQ says that it doesn't cause hairloss but yet some of you guys got it. If I read correctly the ones that shedded like crazy had MPB issues early on in life already correct? I was going to start some EQ in a month or so but was doing it because of the greatly reduced side effects. I wonder if all it did was accelerate your already declining hair quality??? Most guys don't have this issue on EQ corect? Thanks.

 

[Phaded]

ya my hair was already falling out due to accutane.. me and my brother have no traces of baldness in either side of our family yet both of our hair started falling out a few years after we took accutane.. and now its an uncommon sideeffect listed upon accutane cartons.. so it kindof sucks to be me..

 

[krishna]

Accutane thinned mine a little too. I still have a good head of hair, but accutane will do that to you. I hate that $hit!

 

[Raptorex]

Its more likely the EQ caused an auto-immune response and the hairs just shed.... probably nothing to do with MPB at all.. Same reason why people shed on var..

With all due respect, there is no mechanism where this is possible. It is all DHT, whether or not it is intrinsic or extrinsic - that is unclear, but if you are prone to MPB an increase in test in any way will yield more DHT.

Simply if you want your hair and are prone to MPB....not many options.

 

[DIVISION]

just a name that sounds good and who nobody can forget.....

You got that right, bro.

Just hope you can accept the attention that comes your way.




DIV

 

[mrplunkey]

With all due respect, there is no mechanism where this is possible. It is all DHT, whether or not it is intrinsic or extrinsic - that is unclear, but if you are prone to MPB an increase in test in any way will yield more DHT.

Simply if you want your hair and are prone to MPB....not many options.

DHT is notorious for binding to follacles, but other androgens can do damage to them as well. Many androgens have mild binding affinities (i.e. DHN) but others can bind fairly well (i.e. Nandralones that haven't been reduced to DHN via the 5-ar enzyme).

After all, the scientific name for MBP is "androgenic allopecia" -- baldness caused by androgens.

 

[TraxZBT]

With all due respect, there is no mechanism where this is possible. It is all DHT, whether or not it is intrinsic or extrinsic - that is unclear, but if you are prone to MPB an increase in test in any way will yield more DHT.

Simply if you want your hair and are prone to MPB....not many options.

telogen effluvium
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/alopecias/telogen_effluvium.htm
Doesn't all have to be DHT



Inflammation: The process described above initiates what is called an autoimmune response. To put it in layman's terms, follicles experiencing the above process are suddenly considered foreign objects in the body, and the degradation is a direct result of the body rejecting them from the system. This is really what Male Pattern Baldness is all about.

"One of the biggest telltale signs of the autoimmune response is tingling, itching, redness, and inflammation of the scalp. Not all men losing hair experience this, but a vast majority do. Inflammation is considered one of the other major factors which exacerbate the hair loss process. This is why in addition to DHT inhibitors, SOD's, and Growth Stimulants, it is imperative that you include an approved scalp conditioner which actively eliminates the itching, inflammation, and flaking. The absolute best product for this on the market today is Nizoral shampoo. It should be included in ANY hair loss treatment regimen, and as a shampoo, it is easy to use."

 

[krishna]

telogen effluvium
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/alopecias/telogen_effluvium.htm
Doesn't all have to be DHT



Inflammation: The process described above initiates what is called an autoimmune response. To put it in layman's terms, follicles experiencing the above process are suddenly considered foreign objects in the body, and the degradation is a direct result of the body rejecting them from the system. This is really what Male Pattern Baldness is all about.

"One of the biggest telltale signs of the autoimmune response is tingling, itching, redness, and inflammation of the scalp. Not all men losing hair experience this, but a vast majority do. Inflammation is considered one of the other major factors which exacerbate the hair loss process. This is why in addition to DHT inhibitors, SOD's, and Growth Stimulants, it is imperative that you include an approved scalp conditioner which actively eliminates the itching, inflammation, and flaking. The absolute best product for this on the market today is Nizoral shampoo. It should be included in ANY hair loss treatment regimen, and as a shampoo, it is easy to use."

This is quality information. Obviously someone has done some research. I just want to add that it is believed the reason the follicles are attacked is because DHT binds to androgen receptors in the scalp. People prone to MPB have more androgen receptors in the frontal scalp and the crown, and that's why you see the pattern baldness. It is imperative that you stop excessive DHT conversion with finasteride or like drugs. As mentioned above, adding Nizoral can help with the other aspect of inflamation of the follicles. I think both together is a good combination. Some gear however, binds directly to androgen receptors and you cannot stop it (proviron). Other compounds that bind to AR's seem to cause less of an effect to autoimmune response such as winny or tren. It is speculated that compounds most related to DHT in structure, are what cause the most damage.

 

[nomad12]

Nolva does nothing to help in this respect? Newbie, just wondering. I used to cycle in high school but I had my father around to basically manage the logistics of it all. He has since passed away and now I am getting back into it and just don't know everything I should. Your response is appreciated.

 

[glennds]

well...my doctor prescribed 1mg propecia for me and all that did is slow things down a bit. i took double doses a few times and that got the job done. so this time since i'm cycling...i ordered generic 5mg proscar (Fincar) from a very reputable legit/legal online pharmacy. break the tabs in half and take it with my nolva in the morning and no more hairloss. 2.5mg isn't that uncommon.

double doses does not mean double the results. your body can only process so much of the drug you are taking so you are probably wasting your money. drug makers and doctors recommend specific dosages of drugs for a reason. many drugs are cumulative meaning they take time and continued use before becoming effective.

 

[mrplunkey]

telogen effluvium
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/alopecias/telogen_effluvium.htm
Doesn't all have to be DHT



Inflammation: The process described above initiates what is called an autoimmune response. To put it in layman's terms, follicles experiencing the above process are suddenly considered foreign objects in the body, and the degradation is a direct result of the body rejecting them from the system. This is really what Male Pattern Baldness is all about.

"One of the biggest telltale signs of the autoimmune response is tingling, itching, redness, and inflammation of the scalp. Not all men losing hair experience this, but a vast majority do. Inflammation is considered one of the other major factors which exacerbate the hair loss process. This is why in addition to DHT inhibitors, SOD's, and Growth Stimulants, it is imperative that you include an approved scalp conditioner which actively eliminates the itching, inflammation, and flaking. The absolute best product for this on the market today is Nizoral shampoo. It should be included in ANY hair loss treatment regimen, and as a shampoo, it is easy to use."

Tellogen Effluvium and MPB can be related, but occur through dramatically different mechanisms.

Inflamation is normally associated (but not always) with true MPB. In MPB the androgen (not just DHT, *any* androgen with a reasonable binding affinity) binds to the follacle and the immune system then attacks the follacle. The follacle will continue to produce hairs at first, but the hairs are miniaturized. Over time, these miniature hairs get smaller and smaller until finaly the follacle is in a permanent tellogen phase (basically dead).

True tellogen effluvium is simply your follacles getting syncronized in a death state -- the follacle itself need not be damaged. Ther is seldom inflammation and it's not the immune system that's forcing the follace to shed. As a good example, consider a common source of TE -- chemotherapy. These people often have highly compromised immune systems as a result of the therapy, but they also have 100% TE as well.

So bottom line:

Pure TE = 100% recoverable; non-follacle damaging; not an autoimmune response
Pure MPB = damage not recoverable (well, there is Rogaine, but that's an entirely seperate post); follacle-damaging; autoimmune-based

And now... just to keep things confusing... you can have both MPB and a TE at the same time and it's almost impossible to tease the two apart without a full-blown scalp biopsy.