Gyno??

[Kasperr7]

I was taking deca at 300 ew with prop at 100 eod my gyno flared up..quit the deca been off for 4 weeks and continued the prop gonna be adding tren this week...If i take my nolva will it make it worse or should i get something else...Im prone to gyno from test but im not sure if the deca caused it its my first time w deca...any suggestions appreciated..thanks

 

[eddymerckx]

no nolavadex with tren or deca

 

[goku_kakarot77]

I was taking deca at 300 ew with prop at 100 eod my gyno flared up..quit the deca been off for 4 weeks and continued the prop gonna be adding tren this week...If i take my nolva will it make it worse or should i get something else...Im prone to gyno from test but im not sure if the deca caused it its my first time w deca...any suggestions appreciated..thanks

dont know what type of gyno you have, do not use nolva, start using dostniex and femara , could be progesterone related gyno


peace

 

[eddymerckx]

dont know what type of gyno you have, do not use nolva, start using dostniex and femara , could be progesterone related gyno


peace

+1

 

[the_alcatraz]

no nolavadex with tren or deca

Please explain.

 

[eddymerckx]

Please explain.

nolavadex can trigger an upregulation in the progesterone receptors that, given a high estogen level, can increase the likihood of progesterone related gyno (from 19-nor compounds like tren/deca).

the better idea is to lower the estrogen overall with arom/armidex or use bronco or femara.

or add winny, and to a lesser degree proviron, to a cycle w/tren

 

[Kasperr7]

THanks!! couple more questions..what doses do u recomend?If it is from the test will these help ??and would it be stupid to add EQ now?thanks again..

 

[the_alcatraz]

nolavadex can trigger an upregulation in the progesterone receptors that, given a high estogen level, can increase the likihood of progesterone related gyno (from 19-nor compounds like tren/deca).

the better idea is to lower the estrogen overall with arom/armidex or use bronco or femara.

or add winny, and to a lesser degree proviron, to a cycle w/tren

Ok understood.

How much proviron would you use with that?

 

[eddymerckx]

THanks!! couple more questions..what doses do u recomend?If it is from the test will these help ??and would it be stupid to add EQ now?thanks again..

i use .25 of armidex e/d when over 500mg/week,

femara/bronco are a bit better at [rog-induced gyno--but the main goal is to lower the estrogen if if too high. Nolavadex is great for p/c/t or used in combo (high dose) w/ femara for rxisting gyno.

th alc--the consensus is 50-75/day is enough to keep gyno/bloat down while having the urge to nail even the ugliest of chicks--but is is murder on those prone to mpb

 

[Varga]

Why add t r e n when you can't even handle 300mg of d e c a?
Now, if you can't handle the test either start with only one compound, have an AI on hand and test it out.
I would go on test only at 300mg EW for now and see what happens

 

[Kasperr7]

ive ran tren lots of times at 75eod with minimal probs with gyno..for some reason this time it flared up bad with the deca...

 

[Kasperr7]

nolavadex can trigger an upregulation in the progesterone receptors that, given a high estogen level, can increase the likihood of progesterone related gyno (from 19-nor compounds like tren/deca).

the better idea is to lower the estrogen overall with arom/armidex or use bronco or femara.

or add winny, and to a lesser degree proviron, to a cycle w/tren[/QUOTE




Can you explain the winny usage?

 

[eddymerckx]

nolavadex can trigger an upregulation in the progesterone receptors that, given a high estogen level, can increase the likihood of progesterone related gyno (from 19-nor compounds like tren/deca).

the better idea is to lower the estrogen overall with arom/armidex or use bronco or femara.

or add winny, and to a lesser degree proviron, to a cycle w/tren[/QUOTE




Can you explain the winny usage?

From Big Cats Steroid profiles...

"The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with. Wether or not Winny acts in this way is not entirely sure. What has been a popular point of discussion with stanozolol is its suggested anti-progestagenic effects. The theory goes that Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid of Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects. Now, progesterone can aggravate estrogenic side-effects by agonizing estrogen and it does play a role in gyno."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm

 

[ALIN]

I was taking deca at 300 ew with prop at 100 eod my gyno flared up..quit the deca been off for 4 weeks and continued the prop gonna be adding tren this week...If i take my nolva will it make it worse or should i get something else...Im prone to gyno from test but im not sure if the deca caused it its my first time w deca...any suggestions appreciated..thanks

Again,,running and AI or some type of anti E DURING your cycle will 99.7% of the time stop these problems before they even can begin.

 

[Kasperr7]

thanks again for all the help...i have some winny so i wil give it a try ill stp the tren in the meanwhile until i can find som femora..i know i messed up by not having it on hand wont happen again...

 

[Varga]

ive ran tren lots of times at 75eod with minimal probs with gyno..for some reason this time it flared up bad with the deca...

not all cycles behave the same way....but having issues at only 300mg deca is something to worry about I would start an AI and keep that estrogen in check