Pretty sure 8and20. Started out as a lump when I was like 12, that then disappeared, then the other side got hit, maybe 6 months later, that lump then disappeared, had bad nips ever since. 28 yrs old now. Never was fat. Always between 12-15% bf. Looks plain silly, maybe if i was a fat ass it wouldn't be so noticeable. As i got older, and gained more muscle i thought it would go away, no such luck. Fucked with my self esteem my entire life, which is actually what drove my to start working out at a young age. As I now near the size i ultimately want to remain at...i feel it's time to do something about it. From reading endless posts, I conclude if anything besides surgery, maybe Nolvadex would be worth a shot? Who knows tho, seeing as its not steroid induced. Doctors around here are clueless when it come to this shit. This is why I wish I lived in the US.