gyno starting!

[timber1976]

testosterone propionate 100mgs ED 1-17
EQ 600mgs EW 1-14
nandroprop 300mgs EW 1-8
trenbolone 75mgs ED 9-16
500ui's hcg ew 9-17

i am on week 7 of this cycle and i am starting to get pea size lumps that are sore under my nips. what is the best way to combat this? i have both letro and nolva on hand, do i need anything else? what do i do and at what doses. thank you!

 

[79steeler]

2.5 mgs Femera ED until lumps go away then slowly taper off, you should probably run some armidex the rest of the cycle at .5mg EOD. That's a pretty heavy duty cycle bro. Are you new to this?

 

[DannoMight]

at the least start some adex immediately!

 

[bigpimpin25]

why does no one recommend nolvadex anymore!?? its good for getttin rid of gyno damn it!! 20 -40mg before bed help me out a lot

 

[timber1976]

2.5 mgs Femera ED until lumps go away then slowly taper off, you should probably run some armidex the rest of the cycle at .5mg EOD. That's a pretty heavy duty cycle bro. Are you new to this?

no i am not new to this! the only thing i am new to is the nandroprop, first time ever running it and this is what i was afraid of! so run the letro at 2.5mgs until lumps go away and then run the nolva at small dose rest of cycle? nolva instead of armidex ok or not?

 

[DannoMight]

why does no one recommend nolvadex anymore!?? its good for getttin rid of gyno damn it!! 20 -40mg before bed help me out a lot

i do it only after the cycle is over. It hinders gains while on.

 

[needtogetaas]

why does no one recommend nolvadex anymore!?? its good for getttin rid of gyno damn it!! 20 -40mg before bed help me out a lot

Not for this cycle bro.

 

[needtogetaas]

nandroprop 300mgs EW 1-8+ nolva= not so good.

 

[timber1976]

Not for this cycle bro.

needto, help! what should i take and at what doses? i am thinking i should have left the nandroprop out of this one, i didn't notice anything special with it anyway! have been away from board for a few weeks, to busy workin, pinnin, eatin and liftin! no free time. thank you!

 

[needtogetaas]

needto, help! what should i take and at what doses? i am thinking i should have left the nandroprop out of this one, i didn't notice anything special with it anyway! have been away from board for a few weeks, to busy workin, pinnin, eatin and liftin! no free time. thank you!

Start the letro now 2.5mg ed. At least you were using nandroprop/tren ace so now you have the bail out factor. Drop that shit and it will clear in a few days. Well taking the letro I would order yourself some adex and some dostinex as well just in case.

The problem is more then likely do to prog. Your 300mg nandro and 75mg tren eod is a lot higher then your test dose. I would drop both nondro and tren but thats me. You can just drop on start the letro and wait to see what happens well you are waiting on your stuff to come in.

Well you are waiting for your stuff to come in start a b complex. This helps if only a little. Again the safest thing would be to drop both the nandro and the tren but its your body.

 

[bremac]

I know advice from new guys to the forums is frowned upon and although I dont claim to have near the practical experience as the veteran members here I am a PhD Biochemist and organic chemist in this general area so I know quite a bit of the theory. But as an athlete I have only undergone self prescribed steroid therapy twice.
These guys are all exactly right, but I do want to point one thing out. In these days of rip off artists, scammers and dismal pricing of these products you want them to be used maximally. Letrozole (femara) is probably the most effective tool we have today for combating steroid induced feminization. I respect all of your experience as I'm sure the process of obtaining it has been trying with lots of hard work and trial and error. I don't want to give advice on the administration of drugs, I am not a medical doctor so I do not write prescriptions. The point I want to make is that letrozole has been shown to be extraordinally powerfull at combatting aromatization of andro parent structure steroids at astronomically small doses. It is so powerfull so it has been shown to be effective in the area of 1 microgram per pound of bodyweight per day. When I self medicated with testosterone, boldenone and oxymethelone (all being self-prepared so I was confident it was genuine material) I took 200 micrograms of letrozole per day, I weigh 165 pounds. Once every couple of weeks I would draw and take the sample down the hall to a friend to give me a test/est and the balance favoured test greatly throughout the cycle, incredible.
Once again, listen to the soldiers who have fought the battles, I just wanted to help you get your moneys worth of expensive products. Like all these guys have said you will also need pct at those dosages. Letrozole is best used everyday of your cycle. As for the guy talking about tamoxifen, I don't know much about nolva but I think it could be stacked with letrozole as one is an antagonist the other a suicidal inhibitor. Basically one blocks the receptor binding site, the other deactivates the enzyme permanantly. Does anyone know if this theory is correct, I'm not 100% sure about tamoxifens mode of action.
Thanks guys, this was not by any means a know it all newbie posting disrespecting the experience of the veterans. I just thought it was an important point. As well all know drugs like these can be counter intuitive so you need to take the advice of the guys who have used them in every context.

 

[needtogetaas]

I know advice from new guys to the forums is frowned upon and although I dont claim to have near the practical experience as the veteran members here I am a PhD Biochemist and organic chemist in this general area so I know quite a bit of the theory. But as an athlete I have only undergone self prescribed steroid therapy twice.
These guys are all exactly right, but I do want to point one thing out. In these days of rip off artists, scammers and dismal pricing of these products you want them to be used maximally. Letrozole (femara) is probably the most effective tool we have today for combating steroid induced feminization. I respect all of your experience as I'm sure the process of obtaining it has been trying with lots of hard work and trial and error. I don't want to give advice on the administration of drugs, I am not a medical doctor so I do not write prescriptions. The point I want to make is that letrozole has been shown to be extraordinally powerfull at combatting aromatization of andro parent structure steroids at astronomically small doses. It is so powerfull so it has been shown to be effective in the area of 1 microgram per pound of bodyweight per day. When I self medicated with testosterone, boldenone and oxymethelone (all being self-prepared so I was confident it was genuine material) I took 200 micrograms of letrozole per day, I weigh 165 pounds. Once every couple of weeks I would draw and take the sample down the hall to a friend to give me a test/est and the balance favoured test greatly throughout the cycle, incredible.
Once again, listen to the soldiers who have fought the battles, I just wanted to help you get your moneys worth of expensive products. Like all these guys have said you will also need pct at those dosages. Letrozole is best used everyday of your cycle. As for the guy talking about tamoxifen, I don't know much about nolva but I think it could be stacked with letrozole as one is an antagonist the other a suicidal inhibitor. Basically one blocks the receptor binding site, the other deactivates the enzyme permanantly. Does anyone know if this theory is correct, I'm not 100% sure about tamoxifens mode of action.
Thanks guys, this was not by any means a know it all newbie posting disrespecting the experience of the veterans. I just thought it was an important point. As well all know drugs like these can be counter intuitive so you need to take the advice of the guys who have used them in every context.

When a newb can speak they way you have we very much welcome there thoughts and posts. Stick around bro we like members like you.

 

[ALIN]

testosterone propionate 100mgs ED 1-17
EQ 600mgs EW 1-14
nandroprop 300mgs EW 1-8
trenbolone 75mgs ED 9-16
500ui's hcg ew 9-17

i am on week 7 of this cycle and i am starting to get pea size lumps that are sore under my nips. what is the best way to combat this? i have both letro and nolva on hand, do i need anything else? what do i do and at what doses. thank you!

IMO you should be suing an AI like LETRO with your cycle

 

[eddymerckx]

why does no one recommend nolvadex anymore!?? its good for getttin rid of gyno damn it!! 20 -40mg before bed help me out a lot

never ever take nolavadex while in 19nors

 

[eddymerckx]

2.5 mgs Femera ED until lumps go away then slowly taper off, you should probably run some armidex the rest of the cycle at .5mg EOD. That's a pretty heavy duty cycle bro. Are you new to this?

at the least start some adex immediately!

agree with both

 

[timber1976]

I know advice from new guys to the forums is frowned upon and although I dont claim to have near the practical experience as the veteran members here I am a PhD Biochemist and organic chemist in this general area so I know quite a bit of the theory. But as an athlete I have only undergone self prescribed steroid therapy twice.
These guys are all exactly right, but I do want to point one thing out. In these days of rip off artists, scammers and dismal pricing of these products you want them to be used maximally. Letrozole (femara) is probably the most effective tool we have today for combating steroid induced feminization. I respect all of your experience as I'm sure the process of obtaining it has been trying with lots of hard work and trial and error. I don't want to give advice on the administration of drugs, I am not a medical doctor so I do not write prescriptions. The point I want to make is that letrozole has been shown to be extraordinally powerfull at combatting aromatization of andro parent structure steroids at astronomically small doses. It is so powerfull so it has been shown to be effective in the area of 1 microgram per pound of bodyweight per day. When I self medicated with testosterone, boldenone and oxymethelone (all being self-prepared so I was confident it was genuine material) I took 200 micrograms of letrozole per day, I weigh 165 pounds. Once every couple of weeks I would draw and take the sample down the hall to a friend to give me a test/est and the balance favoured test greatly throughout the cycle, incredible.
Once again, listen to the soldiers who have fought the battles, I just wanted to help you get your moneys worth of expensive products. Like all these guys have said you will also need pct at those dosages. Letrozole is best used everyday of your cycle. As for the guy talking about tamoxifen, I don't know much about nolva but I think it could be stacked with letrozole as one is an antagonist the other a suicidal inhibitor. Basically one blocks the receptor binding site, the other deactivates the enzyme permanantly. Does anyone know if this theory is correct, I'm not 100% sure about tamoxifens mode of action.
Thanks guys, this was not by any means a know it all newbie posting disrespecting the experience of the veterans. I just thought it was an important point. As well all know drugs like these can be counter intuitive so you need to take the advice of the guys who have used them in every context.

your words make you sound like you have been here for years, your input is well appritiated. thank you and welcome to the board.

 

[bremac]

never ever take nolavadex while in 19nors

I'm intrigued, if you don't mind, could you explain your reasoning behind this statement. I'm trying but cant come up with anything.

 

[Crysis6]

nandroprop 300mgs EW 1-8+ nolva= not so good.

+1
Also Nolva and Tren = No good!

 

[Crysis6]

I'm intrigued, if you don't mind, could you explain your reasoning behind this statement. I'm trying but cant come up with anything.

Im sure you know a lot more than me judging from your post, but from reading up and asking questions from all the knowledgable people on EF, I learned nolva shouldn't be run with progestagenic compounds because it upregulates progesterone receptors and makes them more sensitive to activation.

 

[needtogetaas]

Im sure you know a lot more than me judging from your post, but from reading up and asking questions from all the knowledgable people on EF, I learned nolva shouldn't be run with progestagenic compounds because it upregulates progesterone receptors and makes them more sensitive to activation.

lol. I get the sarcasm. Lets be nice.

 

[Crysis6]

Sarcasm?? Never. haha jk you know i love you all!!

 

[bremac]

Im sure you know a lot more than me judging from your post, but from reading up and asking questions from all the knowledgable people on EF, I learned nolva shouldn't be run with progestagenic compounds because it upregulates progesterone receptors and makes them more sensitive to activation.

OK, it seems very complicated but I found something that said triphenylethylene compounds such as tamoxifen which are used as antiestrogens are designed to have high affinities for both the oestrogen receptor and the progesterone receptor. In the context of breast cancer, tamox could be used if the tumor cells are positive for either the oestrogen receptors and or progesterone receptors so what will happen is if tamox is used it will bind the progesterone receptors, the body will recognize the need for more receptors and the upregulation process begins.
there is another interesting argument however, it has been showed for different anti estrogens, both types, that they have an effect not only on receptor binding but affect the pathways which produce test etc.. 17b Estradiol inhibits the conversion of pregnololone to progesterone and clomid and tamox inhibit the step prior (cleavage of cholesterol 17-side chain). So it leads one to think, if progesterone syth is ultimately affected by tamoxifen then wouldn't that counteract the upregulation effect of its binding to the progesterone receptor. Food for thought.
So does upregulated progesterone receptors resulting from tamoxfen use negatively affect a 19 nor cycle, hard to say. You would think that the more receptors the better, but the enzymatic pathways can only accomadate so much feedstock. In my opinion I would never use tamoxifen anyway when the enzyme inhibitors are available. A moderate dose would probably be ok but we are looking to optimize steroid cycles. So in one sentence, don't use tamoxifen with 19 nor if you want to be as efficient as possible with your supply.
It is also an interesting note that tamoxifen is a useless substance, it is a pro-drug to hydroxy tamoxifen. It is converted via the cytochrome p450 isoform cyp2d6 which is encoded in your dna. If one were taking ssri antidepressants you could expect little if any activity from your tamox as ssri's compete with tamox for the binding site of p450 cyp2d6 enzyme responsible for the conversion of tamoxifen to the actual anti estogen endoxifen. So if anyone out there is on wellbutrin(like myself), bupropion or any other ssri don't waste your money on tamoxifen.
Thanks for bringing up that argument, I learned something today. So now for the tren argument a different parent from the hydroxy estratrieneone family so I expect completely different mechanisms if they are truly not compatible in vivo.