Gulf drilling yea/nea

[chazk]

Alot of republicans are pissed here in Florida about the drilling off shore.
The whole thing is the Big oil companies get to sit giant rigs off the coast out in the water and pump all the oil that can and want for free.
Instead of pumping from the land the own or leasing , the want to take it from the ocean and line their pockets.
Nothing will change the oil production will slow from alaska and texas becuase the oil companies will not want to use their land oil , when they can pump oil in the gulf for free then when the gulf is out go back to pumping more from the land they own.besides no new refineries are being built, it is just moving from oil drilling location to another

I love the beaches in florida I would hate for them to look like houston bay. with oil washing up onshore all the time.

Lots of republicans up in arms here about it. Charlie christ supports it, bush and mcbush support it .
I think becuase of this Florida will go demo and they just gave up a valuable state in ellectorial votes

 

[BNG]

I am for expanding drilling but I think one of the main things that drives my opinion is that if we don't drill ourselves it will still happen. The drilling is starting to be done by other countries off OUR coast. If they can come here from France, Netherlands, China, etc. and have it economically feasible why should'nt we do it? It WILL be done, it's just a matter of who.
The coast guard is about the only ones who can do anything about spills along with huge fines.

 

[mwm5]

start tomorrow

 

[mountain muscle]

Chaz, you need to educate yourself about drilling before you post such bs.

There is no reason not to drill there.

Oil washing up onshore? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[ortiz34]

Chaz, you need to educate yourself about drilling before you post such bs.

There is no reason not to drill there.

Oil washing up onshore? Are you fucking kidding me?

I hear you bro, everyday people of EF get dumber

 

[mountain muscle]

I hear you bro, everyday people of EF get dumber

Seriously, do people believe everything they hear or read?

This guy has no clue.

Is it possible for them to get dumber?

 

[txbondsman]

Alot of republicans are pissed here in Florida about the drilling off shore.
The whole thing is the Big oil companies get to sit giant rigs off the coast out in the water and pump all the oil that can and want for free.
Instead of pumping from the land the own or leasing , the want to take it from the ocean and line their pockets.
Nothing will change the oil production will slow from alaska and texas becuase the oil companies will not want to use their land oil , when they can pump oil in the gulf for free then when the gulf is out go back to pumping more from the land they own.besides no new refineries are being built, it is just moving from oil drilling location to another

I love the beaches in florida I would hate for them to look like houston bay. with oil washing up onshore all the time.

Lots of republicans up in arms here about it. Charlie christ supports it, bush and mcbush support it .
I think becuase of this Florida will go demo and they just gave up a valuable state in ellectorial votes

^^^ complete rubbish, hardly even a thread of truth in the whole thing.

DRILL HERE- DRILL NOW!

 

[BNG]

People are way to lazy to educate themselves on any matter. It's way easier to listen to Katie Couric sensationalize the "news" than it is to read about things for themselves.

 

[digimon7068]

drill every motherf00king thing that stands still long enuff. . .we're in a pickle and we need some short term solutions to help us while technology catches up with our needs. . .all the tree-huggers need to face reality. . .

 

[canadianhitman]

drill every motherf00king thing that stands still long enuff. . .we're in a pickle and we need some short term solutions to help us while technology catches up with our needs. . .all the tree-huggers need to face reality. . .

+1

 

[roadwarrior]

drill every motherf00king thing that stands still long enuff. . .we're in a pickle and we need some short term solutions to help us while technology catches up with our needs. . .all the tree-huggers need to face reality. . .

+100 and build some refineries as well as bring the dollar back up carefully to prevent more market/ economy troubles to affect the short term but also we need alternatives. The same tree huggers are anti-nuke. The world needs energy and that is not going to change.

 

[joefire_2008]

Besides, I know that they were trying to get the OK for the shale - oil production. Colorado, Utah, and I forget the other state.

I don't feel any sustainable arguement in your statement myself I think you need to recheck your sources.

I would rather not have seaward drilling,however, we need to do something to lower the cost of gas. I mean damn where I'm at it's almost at $5 @ gallon. If you want to get mad at 'someone'...OPEC is who you should direct your hostility. I read an article not more than two days ago, 'Saudi Arabia increasing barrel production by 200,000 to offset high gas prices'. Remember supply and demand, well they did and look where it got them. Prices are so high now that people are looking into alternatives. I've never seen such a big increase in research in fuel alternatives. Now, Saudi sees that we will end up having our independence, and if will cost them billions. Since, the US consumes approx. 1/3 - 1/4 of fuels produced.

We have to do what we have to do inorder to survive.

 

[MorganKane]

1. Take the oil in Iraq. The tax payers already paid for it via the cost of war.
2. Drill every hole we can in the gulf, main land and Alaska.
3. Build refineries.
4. Invent new energy sources and technology that the auto/oil industry does not get to control.

 

[txbondsman]

drill every motherf00king thing that stands still long enuff. . .we're in a pickle and we need some short term solutions to help us while technology catches up with our needs. . .all the tree-huggers need to face reality. . .

that includes ANWAR. Did yall see the New York Post the other day, it gave a comparison so people could put in perspective what drilling there would be like. It had that one single letter on the open front page is what we want to use to produce energy. One stinking single letter! That's all the land that we need to get at the billions of barrels of oil.
We bought the damn thing for it's natural recources, use them!

Also, the Dems say that even when we start to look for more energy, be it in the gulf, on land, wherever, that it will take ten years to see any results at the pump. BS! In a producing field with the infrastructure already in place, 1 year. A known producing field, 2 years. Non-producing field, 3-4 years, unknown fields yet to be found, 6-7 years, but none of them are 10. Just as soon as the speculators here that more oil will be made available in the near future, they will sell their stocks and the price of oil will start to fall immediately. Like tomorrow...

 

[BNG]

that includes ANWAR. Did yall see the New York Post the other day, it gave a comparison so people could put in perspective what drilling there would be like. It had that one single letter on the open front page is what we want to use to produce energy. One stinking single letter! That's all the land that we need to get at the billions of barrels of oil.
We bought the damn thing for it's natural recources, use them!

Also, the Dems say that even when we start to look for more energy, be it in the gulf, on land, wherever, that it will take ten years to see any results at the pump. BS! In a producing field with the infrastructure already in place, 1 year. A known producing field, 2 years. Non-producing field, 3-4 years, unknown fields yet to be found, 6-7 years, but none of them are 10. Just as soon as the speculators here that more oil will be made available in the near future, they will sell their stocks and the price of oil will start to fall immediately. Like tomorrow...

True words Bro.

 

[joefire_2008]

And yes roadwarrior you are right we need to improve the value of the dollar. Everyone is afraid to spend money... Gas is too expensive - now you just cut down on travel, and spending increasing unemployment in areas that are tourist locations, because now the shops, and stores can't afford to keep as many people employed.

No commerce = no money
no money = bad economy
bad economy= devalued dollar

Then everyone holds on to their cash, because it doesn't have the same strength it once did.

With the avg. income at about 24,000.00 how the hell would you be expected to survive if spending you money on gas is going to take a big chunk of your income?
I mean its pretty sad when the avg. family has to spend more on gas than they do on food per month.

 

[joefire_2008]

Well, I know they were trying to pass a bill to allow the President to ok methods and sources for fuel production that would cut the wait time, that if it was to go thru Congress 7 yrs. down to as little as 18 months.

 

[joefire_2008]

Also, we are suppose to get oil and revenue from Iraq one they get a stabilized govt. and currency.

Since, their money is not currently traded on the open market, they can't produce and sell oil. Which I think is crazy, we should subtitute the currency so all this can happen.

 

[Dial_tone]

How much of our oil stays in the country? I think I read that some of our oil production is sold internationally. In that case increasing our own production wouldn't matter much.

 

[needtogetarmy]

^^^ complete rubbish, hardly even a thread of truth in the whole thing.

DRILL HERE- DRILL NOW!

+1

 

[joefire_2008]

LOL...
Dial tone I don't have the figures myself, however, you would still be looking at a stimulated economy. Chances are also if we drilled we would not only have oil to sell but, we would have enough to support ourselves as a country.

I'd like to see the shale to oil thing come thru. Increase in jobs, etc... plus it was said thru the shale conversion we would have way more oil then Saudi Arabia...

I wanted to say something else...

You are funny as hell!!!

This stuff was way, way to funny...

1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.

2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

3. You have more wives than teeth.

4. You wipe your butt with your bare left hand, but consider bacon "unclean."

5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

6. You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.

8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

9. You've ever uttered the phrase, "I love what you've done with your cave."

10. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least one.

11. You bathe at least monthly whether necessary or not.

12. You've ever had a crush on your neighbor's goat.

 

[RottenWillow]

Alot of republicans are pissed here in Florida about the drilling off shore.
The whole thing is the Big oil companies get to sit giant rigs off the coast out in the water and pump all the oil that can and want for free.
Instead of pumping from the land the own or leasing , the want to take it from the ocean and line their pockets.
Nothing will change the oil production will slow from alaska and texas becuase the oil companies will not want to use their land oil , when they can pump oil in the gulf for free then when the gulf is out go back to pumping more from the land they own.besides no new refineries are being built, it is just moving from oil drilling location to another

I love the beaches in florida I would hate for them to look like houston bay. with oil washing up onshore all the time.

Lots of republicans up in arms here about it. Charlie christ supports it, bush and mcbush support it .
I think becuase of this Florida will go demo and they just gave up a valuable state in ellectorial votes

Spend the money on building hydrogen supply infrastructure. Dumping more money into extracting oil is just shortsighted and foolish.

 

[joefire_2008]

Spend the money on building hydrogen supply infrastructure. Dumping more money into extracting oil is just shortsighted and foolish.

How many people do you know that can straight out afford to buy a new car? or better yet how many in the US?

I don't think alternatives should not be looked into and built upon but, you have to look at what you have. As a whole I don't think the US is ready for such a conversion that fast.

Your statement makes it seem like everybody can just go right out and hop onboard with ie. hydrogen supply. It would be nice, except currently we are in a world of gas operated equipment. And that gas operated equipment is lubricated with oil, as is all electric powered equipment, or any equipment with moving parts. Alot of products are also produced from oil, loads of petrolium based products, tires, pipe (CPVC, PVC, etc...), vasaline, some plastics, etc...

 

[joefire_2008]

Spend the money on building hydrogen supply infrastructure. Dumping more money into extracting oil is just shortsighted and foolish.

What would you suggest we do? It's easy to make the statement but, what or how would we get around how the world is today to make what you want happen?

 

[RottenWillow]

What would you suggest we do? It's easy to make the statement but, what or how would we get around how the world is today to make what you want happen?

The united states already moves massive amounts of H around this country already. The distribution network needs to be expanded, not created.

And the first phase of H use as automotive fuel will be in IC engines, which does not require radically new tech. In five years our automotive industry can easily have a full line of cars that burn H instead of gasoline. During the interim we can get the required distribution network in place.

 

[joefire_2008]

The united states already moves massive amounts of H around this country already. The distribution network needs to be expanded, not created.

And the first phase of H use as automotive fuel will be in IC engines, which does not require radically new tech. In five years our automotive industry can easily have a full line of cars that burn H instead of gasoline. During the interim we can get the required distribution network in place.

Yes, I know about that but, once again how many people are going to be able to afford it? ( buying a new car)

Also, what are you going to do with all the old cars?

Our entire military, the vehicles, ships, boats, and planes run on fossil fuels.
Now, you've just opened up a whole new expense, upgrading the military.

Commercial side of it Airplanes...

You still have the people in the US that will suffer from such an attempt. Like I said I'm for alternatives, it just has to work all the way around.

 

[wootoom]

i love the oilpatch

 

[digimon7068]

The united states already moves massive amounts of H around this country already. The distribution network needs to be expanded, not created.

And the first phase of H use as automotive fuel will be in IC engines, which does not require radically new tech. In five years our automotive industry can easily have a full line of cars that burn H instead of gasoline. During the interim we can get the required distribution network in place.

i tried to respond to your paint question a couple of times. . .but your box was full.

 

[joefire_2008]

Now, I myself am looking into a device I'll build myself which will stretch my gas consumption. It does involve H, and a H generator. I'm sure you've seen the SPAMS for it or have seen an AD somewhere for it. I just haven't done it yet, I'm doing alittle more research on it before I do. I don't want to do anything that would damage my truck.

 

[joefire_2008]

I'm not disputing what you getting at, I like the idea. It's just you have to becareful when you save the country and the world from gas dependency you don't destroy it with the cost.

 

[chazk]

Chaz, you need to educate yourself about drilling before you post such bs.

There is no reason not to drill there.

Oil washing up onshore? Are you fucking kidding me?

Remeber after katrina the oil rigs that were damaged and spilled oil
I guess you have never been to houston bay , the most polluted bay in the entire usa. I stepped in Oil walking down the beach

 

[chazk]

Guess you guys did not read my statements.

Oil Companies slow down oil drilling on land , move to offshore drill as much oil as they want for free oil flows they make lots of money, No new refineries exist or even plan to be built , processing MORE oil to gasoline will not happen .
Just eazier drilling for oil companies , free oil in the gulf, No NEW refineres
= OIL COMPANIES fucked you even harder. Then when the gulf runs dry of oil the oil companies will go back to the land they have leases on.

THE POINT IS THE PLAN NEVER ONCE CALLS FOR MORE REFINERES , ONLY DRILLING IN NEW AREAS ,SO THE OIL COMPANIES CAN MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY. while the stop drilling on land and save that oil for later times

The Opec control the oil output, even if the usa drills more oil and supplies other countries the opec in other countries counter the move by lowering their drilling,

Someone said drilling in the gulf would make the usa richer ?
Think again , only the oil companies would profit as the opec lowers production oil stays the same price. The usa would not make one more dime
only the oil companies would make the profits and YOU WHEN YOU BUY THEIR GAS AT THE PUMPS. You know how many tax credits and tax exemptions oil rigs set up offshore get ? they pay bet to 0% TAXES they are set up as international enities. So only you pay when you buy the refined fuel in state ,federal,city and county taxes.

Oil gets sold on the intrnational exchange, does not matter if a barrel comes for 50 miles away to the refinery , or 5000 miles away to the refinery , It is still worth and sold for a @ 135$ , When the opec cuts down production of oil due to the usa tapping new sources , the price rises once more then the oil companies make bank , you get stuck with the opec's decisions.

If the govt allows more gulf drilling it wil be as if money was falling from the sky into the oil companies pockets the eaziest ,biggest pockets of oil ozzzing up from the ocean floor with little effort on the oil companies part as they luagh their way to the bank. Then set the land drilling on slow motion to not " over product " remeber the opec , the usa can not just drill away endless oil the opec controls the worlds output not the usa

 

[chazk]

If you guys were saying stuff like " get ride of the opec " I would agree that gulf drilling would be productive and might actually help the usa economey and oil wad deterimined on regional supply not the world markets and speculation

 

[SouthernLord]

News Flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The USA will always be dependent upon Petroleum and big oil. All you hippy Prius drivers can talk all you want about new sources of energy. Wind, Solar, Ethanol, wtf ever. It is not gonna happen. We need to drill for it here, refine it here, and keep our money here. We are sending billions and billions of dollars to camel riding cock suckers who support terrorists so your local soccer moms can drive around in Yukon XLTs. Stupid fucking shit.

 

[digimon7068]

Guess you guys did not read my statements.

Oil Companies slow down oil drilling on land , move to offshore drill as much oil as they want for free oil flows they make lots of money, No new refineries exist or even plan to be built , processing MORE oil to gasoline will not happen .
Just eazier drilling for oil companies , free oil in the gulf, No NEW refineres
= OIL COMPANIES fucked you even harder. Then when the gulf runs dry of oil the oil companies will go back to the land they have leases on.

THE POINT IS THE PLAN NEVER ONCE CALLS FOR MORE REFINERES , ONLY DRILLING IN NEW AREAS ,SO THE OIL COMPANIES CAN MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY. while the stop drilling on land and save that oil for later times

The Opec control the oil output, even if the usa drills more oil and supplies other countries the opec in other countries counter the move by lowering their drilling,

Someone said drilling in the gulf would make the usa richer ?
Think again , only the oil companies would profit as the opec lowers production oil stays the same price. The usa would not make one more dime
only the oil companies would make the profits and YOU WHEN YOU BUY THEIR GAS AT THE PUMPS. You know how many tax credits and tax exemptions oil rigs set up offshore get ? they pay bet to 0% TAXES they are set up as international enities. So only you pay when you buy the refined fuel in state ,federal,city and county taxes.

Oil gets sold on the intrnational exchange, does not matter if a barrel comes for 50 miles away to the refinery , or 5000 miles away to the refinery , It is still worth and sold for a @ 135$ , When the opec cuts down production of oil due to the usa tapping new sources , the price rises once more then the oil companies make bank , you get stuck with the opec's decisions.

If the govt allows more gulf drilling it wil be as if money was falling from the sky into the oil companies pockets the eaziest ,biggest pockets of oil ozzzing up from the ocean floor with little effort on the oil companies part as they luagh their way to the bank. Then set the land drilling on slow motion to not " over product " remeber the opec , the usa can not just drill away endless oil the opec controls the worlds output not the usa

so what you're saying is that the oil companies are gonna spend a BUNCH of money drilling oil but their not gonna increase refinery production so they can actually sell it after they pump it out of the ground? have you heard of the "matching principle". . .you know. . .like with revenues and expenses??

if they spend a bunch of money on drilling but don't sell a bunch of finished product, a bunch of their costs will get "stranded" until the earning process is complete. . .i.e., they won't be able to write the expenses off for tax purposes. that scenario doesn't happen very often in reality.

 

[the_alcatraz]

i love the oilpatch

lol

 

[SouthernLord]

Repost alert!!!! Check out what this crazy motherfucker has to say about drilling in AK

 

[Mr. dB]

Drill and pump that shit, do it now.

 

[BNG]

There's parts of this that the public doesn't want to know. Like the fact that the Japanese have tankers that come into our ports, load crude, and take it out to a refining ship where it gets transfered ship to ship, is refined, and brought back to our ports and sold back to us.
Like for instance, both China and Russia have oil platforms off the Alaskan coast. That France is investing in offshore drilling by Florida, and Mexico is trying to work with El Salvador to develop offshore fields using directional drilling.

 

[joefire_2008]

Guess you guys did not read my statements.

Oil Companies slow down oil drilling on land , move to offshore drill as much oil as they want for free oil flows they make lots of money, No new refineries exist or even plan to be built , processing MORE oil to gasoline will not happen .
Just eazier drilling for oil companies , free oil in the gulf, No NEW refineres
= OIL COMPANIES fucked you even harder. Then when the gulf runs dry of oil the oil companies will go back to the land they have leases on.

THE POINT IS THE PLAN NEVER ONCE CALLS FOR MORE REFINERES , ONLY DRILLING IN NEW AREAS ,SO THE OIL COMPANIES CAN MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY. while the stop drilling on land and save that oil for later times

The Opec control the oil output, even if the usa drills more oil and supplies other countries the opec in other countries counter the move by lowering their drilling,

Someone said drilling in the gulf would make the usa richer ?
Think again , only the oil companies would profit as the opec lowers production oil stays the same price. The usa would not make one more dime
only the oil companies would make the profits and YOU WHEN YOU BUY THEIR GAS AT THE PUMPS. You know how many tax credits and tax exemptions oil rigs set up offshore get ? they pay bet to 0% TAXES they are set up as international enities. So only you pay when you buy the refined fuel in state ,federal,city and county taxes.

Oil gets sold on the intrnational exchange, does not matter if a barrel comes for 50 miles away to the refinery , or 5000 miles away to the refinery , It is still worth and sold for a @ 135$ , When the opec cuts down production of oil due to the usa tapping new sources , the price rises once more then the oil companies make bank , you get stuck with the opec's decisions.

If the govt allows more gulf drilling it wil be as if money was falling from the sky into the oil companies pockets the eaziest ,biggest pockets of oil ozzzing up from the ocean floor with little effort on the oil companies part as they luagh their way to the bank. Then set the land drilling on slow motion to not " over product " remeber the opec , the usa can not just drill away endless oil the opec controls the worlds output not the usa

In ref to your refinery statement I have a few tid bits I found for your reading pleasure:

This first one is a Republican Bill, remember what your first post said about the Republicans?
Washington post article

These are more or less the towns fighting to keep the refineries out...
http://www.refineryreform.org/spotlight_yuma_az.html

http://www.slate.com/id/2102031/

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0921/p11s02-usec.html

This has been going on for alittle bit my friend but, please read...

 

[joefire_2008]

If you guys were saying stuff like " get ride of the opec " I would agree that gulf drilling would be productive and might actually help the usa economey and oil wad deterimined on regional supply not the world markets and speculation

Now I'm not a Liberatarin but, it's a good read...

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

This would give us more oil than Saudi Arabia...

 

[chazk]

so what you're saying is that the oil companies are gonna spend a BUNCH of money drilling oil but their not gonna increase refinery production so they can actually sell it after they pump it out of the ground? have you heard of the "matching principle". . .you know. . .like with revenues and expenses??

if they spend a bunch of money on drilling but don't sell a bunch of finished product, a bunch of their costs will get "stranded" until the earning process is complete. . .i.e., they won't be able to write the expenses off for tax
purposes. that scenario doesn't happen very often in reality.

I am not saying it that is how the opec works, supply/demand.

The usa increases oil supply the oil gets pushed on the international market sold all over the world to the highest bidders , the Opec countries slow pumping to avoid over production, The oil stays high priced, the gulf of mexico gets pumped dry.
Not one person benifits except the oil companies

 

[chazk]

Now I'm not a Liberatarin but, it's a good read...

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

This would give us more oil than Saudi Arabia...

Shale cost alot to to refine to oil. off shore drillin is setting up a rig , finding high pressure oil spots and vacumming it dry, very cheap to do. yes other sources for oil exist , But the oil companies always lobby for the eaziest way to get oil cuts down the expense while the oil is worth just as much on the market.

The opec is nothing more then organized crime IMO

 

[BNG]

This stirred up a memory of a conversation I had with an old drilling foreman who told me of a trip to inland Russia where there was literally oil pools on top of the ground and they were there to propose development of this field for them. I have forgotten who he was with, but this was back when Reagan & Gorbachev were buddies.
I don't believe in any shortage. The clip on YouTube is probably not as far from the truth as we'd all like to believe. Greed is an evil thing.

 

[joefire_2008]

Shale cost alot to to refine to oil. off shore drillin is setting up a rig , finding high pressure oil spots and vacumming it dry, very cheap to do. yes other sources for oil exist , But the oil companies always lobby for the eaziest way to get oil cuts down the expense while the oil is worth just as much on the market.

The opec is nothing more then organized crime IMO

I'm not disputing your opinions about OPEC...

Yes, the Washinton post article again

If you read this Bush signed of on it, it was Congress that VETOed the bill. Congress is a Democrat majority.

Who is OPEC??? http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q3.htm

Mostly, the Arab countries... Not that I have anything against Arabs, so nobody jump on me for this. I'm looking at political climate.

Also, Venezuela is a member, you know how well their president loves us... as Borat would say, 'NOT!!!'

It is possible for us to be independent thru off shore drilling, or thru Shale oil refinement.

 

[chazk]

I'm not disputing your opinions about OPEC...

Yes, the Washinton post article again

If you read this Bush signed of on it, it was Congress that VETOed the bill. Congress is a Democrat majority.

Who is OPEC??? http://www.opec.org/library/FAQs/aboutOPEC/q3.htm

Mostly, the Arab countries... Not that I have anything against Arabs, so nobody jump on me for this. I'm looking at political climate.

Also, Venezuela is a member, you know how well their president loves us... as Borat would say, 'NOT!!!'

It is possible for us to be independent thru off shore drilling, or thru Shale oil refinement.

good points / But indep for how long ?
Would the oil companies just export the oil from offshore drilling to line their greedy pockets ? Or would the PEOPLE of the usa actually benifit from it.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Drilling offshore won't even really help in the long run. I think that its really pointless. For one everyone that wants this short term fix, hate to break it to you its going to be a good 3 to 5 years or more before it even lowers oil prices. And even then oil prices may raise more by then and then we'll just be paying what we pay now. They say there is only enough oil there for 5 to 10 years so again, whats the point?

Drill now for 5 years, prices don't lower until 5 years is up. Then we have lower prices for only 5 years. Which the prices aren't going to be lowered all that much.

Also everyone worried about the environmental effect.....it won't be that much we already do it all over the world and its pretty clean and effective. My thoughts are that by doing this we may see a $.20 decrease in the price of a gallon. So lets do some math....

Lets say you get 24 miles per gallon on average on a 12 gallon tank, and you roughly drive 15,000 miles a year. That means you have to fill up 52.083 times a year, or 52 times for rounding purposes.

$.20 (Savings from the pump) * 12 (gallons per fill up) * 52 (fill ups per year) = $124.80 You would save a year. Or roughly $10.40 a month.

When you do the math..........umm it ain't gonna help much.

 

[joefire_2008]

good points / But indep for how long ?
Would the oil companies just export the oil from offshore drilling to line their greedy pockets ? Or would the PEOPLE of the usa actually benifit from it.

We'd have more Oil than Saudi Arabia, since they are one of the largest sources... I think we'd be doing pretty good.

Also, you keep the money inside the US helping our own economy. The jobs that would open up would help boost our economy as well. Money flow to OPEC would drastically deminish, they would feel it for sure. After all we consume 1/3 - 1/4 of oil produced by OPEC.

 

[chazk]

We'd have more Oil than Saudi Arabia, since they are one of the largest sources... I think we'd be doing pretty good.

Also, you keep the money inside the US helping our own economy. The jobs that would open up would help boost our economy as well. Money flow to OPEC would drastically deminish, they would feel it for sure. After all we consume 1/3 - 1/4 of oil produced by OPEC.

Do you think the oil companies being offshore will use out of country workers and pay them cheap , kinda like the cruise line companies do ?
In otherwards creating jobs for other countries.
Down the street from my parents coca-cola owns a 400 acre orange company tropicana orangejuice ).Cocacola flies in workers from guam to pick the fruit, the workers get a shuttle that takes them from a hotel to the field. Each worker makes 2$ a hour us pay , then board the plane and fly home after the feild is picked and machines shut down untill the next year
coca cola does this with over 30 locations in florida

 

[joefire_2008]

Do you think the oild companies being offshore will use out of country workers and pay them cheap , kinda like the cruise line companies do ?
In otherwards creating jobs for other countries.
Down the street from my parents coca-cola owns a 400 acre orange company.Cocacola flies in workers from guam to pick the fruit, the workers get a shuttle that takes them from a hotel to the field. Each worker makes 2$ a hour us pay , then board the plane and fly home after the feild is picked in 4 weeks.

Out sourcing another pet pev of mine. I can't say, it's possible, I would hope not. What state are you in? Regardless of location CC is breaking the law if they are doing that... The workers have to receive minimum wage regardless (unless $2 hr. is the minimum wage), I hope they all have atleast work visas.

I'm thinking about it more and more... I think that wouldn't happen, they'd be US workers. It's way to high profile.

 

[Jon79]

Alot of republicans are pissed here in Florida about the drilling off shore.
The whole thing is the Big oil companies get to sit giant rigs off the coast out in the water and pump all the oil that can and want for free.
Instead of pumping from the land the own or leasing , the want to take it from the ocean and line their pockets.
Nothing will change the oil production will slow from alaska and texas becuase the oil companies will not want to use their land oil , when they can pump oil in the gulf for free then when the gulf is out go back to pumping more from the land they own.besides no new refineries are being built, it is just moving from oil drilling location to another

I love the beaches in florida I would hate for them to look like houston bay. with oil washing up onshore all the time.

Lots of republicans up in arms here about it. Charlie christ supports it, bush and mcbush support it .
I think becuase of this Florida will go demo and they just gave up a valuable state in ellectorial votes

lots of the reason houston looks the way it does is because of the mississippi dumps into the gulf there....fuck all the midwest's trash and mud spills out there....

its not like offshore rigs are dumping waste oil and it washed up on the shore...

even if we had no industry the beaches would not be pretty...

water would still be muddy and shitty...

i know what u men though.... its a nasty place...

 

[Mr. dB]

lots of the reason houston looks the way it does is because of the mississippi dumps into the gulf there....fuck all the midwest's trash and mud spills out there....

Houston is a few hundred miles west of the Mississippi.

 

[Jon79]

Houston is a few hundred miles west of the Mississippi.

i fucking undertand that i used to live right there.....

it still makes a difference..... its a big fucking river....

what do i know right.....

 

[chazk]

Out sourcing another pet pev of mine. I can't say, it's possible, I would hope not. What state are you in? Regardless of location CC is breaking the law if they are doing that... The workers have to receive minimum wage regardless (unless $2 hr. is the minimum wage), I hope they all have atleast work visas.

I'm thinking about it more and more... I think that wouldn't happen, they'd be US workers. It's way to high profile.

Florida, cococola gets agricultral workers allowed in the country under some temp visa for one month, they get rooming and meals included.
yea out sourcing is pretty shitty.

The whole offshore drilling from what I see going on IMO. Is big companies smiling and luaging all the way to the bank ? If not why would they have such a hardon to get into the gulf and start drilling ?

I am worried about oil companies being wreckless and messy. I am sure everyone by now has seen the PBS documantries about exxon in venezula destroying the land leaving behind a huge mess then just paying a few million for clean up that was half assed. ( bulldozers pushing dirt over some oil)
When I was in anchorage alaska back in 2001 the boat ship owner that we did the glacier bay tour , showed us areas where oil was still under rocks and locked into icey areas yet the clean up was over and the oil still remains in traces all over the bay from valdez .

for the gulf
The rigs were damaged after katrina and oil spewed out for days untill fixed, all kinds of oil washed up on destin beach and along the gulf coast , I mean that was a natural disaster and stuff will happen.
But the gulf of mexico gets class 5 hurricanes ripping through it every few years . So if more oil rigs exist then yes more oil will get spilled out in the gulf with the weather it is unavoidable.
Florida only real industry is tourism , if the beaches are not as nice as they are now , would be go south into the islands for vacations rather then stop in florida? how romantic is it to watch a sunset as tankers and rigs stand off shore. maybe I am over reacting I can just see it runing floridas tourism

 

[Beachboy6294]

Chaz, you need to educate yourself about drilling before you post such bs.

There is no reason not to drill there.

Oil washing up onshore? Are you fucking kidding me?

+1 I'm out here right now in the Gulf or Mexico sending oil to the beaches in LA and TX. lol yea right we have so many rule and regulations.

 

[Razorguns]

We can drill. So what?

Speculators can still drive up the prices just by throwing up worries of 'demand, lower dollar, conflict in latin america' or whatever else fuck reason they want to use to raise prices.

Get rid of Goldman Sachs, not create more drilling which will take 8 years before you even see an extra barrell anyways.

r

 

[mountain muscle]

Remeber after katrina the oil rigs that were damaged and spilled oil
I guess you have never been to houston bay , the most polluted bay in the entire usa. I stepped in Oil walking down the beach

That is like saying New Orleans has the most litter, after katrina hit. lol

Yes I have been down there. I have also heard that Mexico is responsible for the majority of the pollution.

I guess you have no clue as to how tightly regulated drilling offshore is. When they abandoned the rig, they would have shut the well in, ON THE SEA FLOOR.

Like I said, educate yourself first.

 

[mountain muscle]

Shale cost alot to to refine to oil. off shore drillin is setting up a rig , finding high pressure oil spots and vacumming it dry, very cheap to do. yes other sources for oil exist , But the oil companies always lobby for the eaziest way to get oil cuts down the expense while the oil is worth just as much on the market.

The opec is nothing more then organized crime IMO

Oil shale became profitable at $64/ bbl. using current methods.

You really don't know shit about drilling do you? Vacuuming it?

Please provide links where you are getting this information.

 

[chris302001]

I've heard that there's more oil in the shale of the rockies from the US up into Canada than anywhere else on earth....just what I heard.

BUT I SAY DRILL!!!! DRILL LIKE I DRILLED YOUR SISTER!

 

[chazk]

I figured this to get these typical responses.
I guess it the same everywhere you go .

I am in Florida near the beach , Do i want to risk damage to the local beaches ?
ofcoarse not.

But then sitting here in florida on the beach watchingthe sunset , do I care about oil pipe line breaks in alaska ? do I care about oil fields in texas? do i care about a oil pump breakage in Cali spewing oil throughout a neighborhood street ?
Prob not becuase I do not see it .

I guess it is just a case of " not in my backyard syndrome "

Mountian muscle yes oil rigs create a vacum sucking much like a syfin that brings the oil to the surface, untill the supply runs very low then more work is required to bring up the crude

 

[chazk]

Oil shale became profitable at $64/ bbl. using current methods.

You really don't know shit about drilling do you? Vacuuming it?

Please provide links where you are getting this information.

Then why dont they stick with the shale .....if their is a huge profit to be made, It is obvious why they want to tap the gulf , cheaper production cost.

 

[chazk]

Oil shale became profitable at $64/ bbl. using current methods.

You really don't know shit about drilling do you? Vacuuming it?

Please provide links where you are getting this information.

Pumps: Oil companies use pumping equipment to "suck" the hydrocarbons out of a well. A common method of doing this involves pumping a high-pressure gas into the reserve to decrease the weight of the oil and increase the pressure in the well - a technique known as "pressure pumping".

aka basic vacuum system

 

[mountain muscle]

Pumps: Oil companies use pumping equipment to "suck" the hydrocarbons out of a well. A common method of doing this involves pumping a high-pressure gas into the reserve to decrease the weight of the oil and increase the pressure in the well - a technique known as "pressure pumping".

aka basic vacuum system

Seriously. Where the fuck did you read that?

Like I said you need to educate yourself before you post bullshit.

 

[mountain muscle]

I figured this to get these typical responses.
I guess it the same everywhere you go .

I am in Florida near the beach , Do i want to risk damage to the local beaches ?
ofcoarse not.

But then sitting here in florida on the beach watchingthe sunset , do I care about oil pipe line breaks in alaska ? do I care about oil fields in texas? do i care about a oil pump breakage in Cali spewing oil throughout a neighborhood street ?
Prob not becuase I do not see it .

I guess it is just a case of " not in my backyard syndrome "

Mountian muscle yes oil rigs create a vacum sucking much like a syfin that brings the oil to the surface, untill the supply runs very low then more work is required to bring up the crude

Chaz, no they don't.
The rig is long gone by the time the well starts producing. I may have a bit of first hand knowledge about this being 3rd generation oilfield and working rigs for the last 8 years.

Why would we go after just oil shale and stop drilling?

You keep believing bullshit you read and let the experts work the patch, okay peaches?

 

[chazk]

Chaz, no they don't.
The rig is long gone by the time the well starts producing. I may have a bit of first hand knowledge about this being 3rd generation oilfield and working rigs for the last 8 years.

Why would we go after just oil shale and stop drilling?

You keep believing bullshit you read and let the experts work the patch, okay peaches?

only 21 billion barrels in the gulf , 3trillion+ barrels from shale ,why not go with the shale if you said it was so profitable?

it is you're job to work oil, you will do what ever you can to get your toes into the gulf to drill and tell people how great it is , how clean it is. you seem like a nice guy but I could see you're agenda from the getgo . I was waiting for you to come out and tell me exactly how you were affiliated with the oil companies, and it is that you are a rig worker

Most americans are fed up with oil period and want to switch to alternative sources of energy not just keep feeding the oil companies.
Well I have news for you " the experts " are going to loose Florida in this election , they have shale for oil production go heat shale and make oil and leave the gulf of mexico alone.

So mountian muscle I will take you're comments to be as valid as a man telling me how great cigarettes are for my health and nothing has ever been proven they can have damaging effects and pulls out a carton to sell me pack to make a quick buck.
No offense but you have a agenda , a job to do. I have a home and a beach to keep clean
We are at opposite ends of the spectrum just the way it is.

You can keep insulting me with " go educate yourself " and all your other tactics to make you appear to have some sort of upperhand. You have not provided anyproof that the gulf of mexico and the american people will be better off in the long run by drilling in the gulf. Only thing you have said is we can make 3trillion barrels of oil from shale but 21billion ( next to nothing in the long term )is in the gulf so let the oil companies have it anyways

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

MM just hates giving money to mooslims.

 

[mountain muscle]

only 21 billion barrels in the gulf , 3trillion+ barrels from shale ,why not go with the shale if you said it was so profitable?

it is you're job to work oil, you will do what ever you can to get your toes into the gulf to drill and tell people how great it is , how clean it is. you seem like a nice guy but I could see you're agenda from the getgo . I was waiting for you to come out and tell me exactly how you were affiliated with the oil companies, and it is that you are a rig worker

Most americans are fed up with oil period and want to switch to alternative sources of energy not just keep feeding the oil companies.
Well I have news for you " the experts " are going to loose Florida in this election , they have shale for oil production go heat shale and make oil and leave the gulf of mexico alone.

I see now that wiki is your source. lmao. I never said oil shale is so profitable, I said it became profitable at $64/bbl.

Leave the gulf alone now? Why? Do you have any idea how many rigs are currently running in the gulf and how long we have been drilling there?

Your attitude belies the basic ignorance that is so common of the anti drilling crowd. I agree we should be building and using alt energy sources. You seem to think stopping drilling is the answer. Where did that stupidity get us?

We are not feeding the oil companies, the oil companies are fulfilling a demand. If you want to lay blame look in the mirror.

No, I don't have an agenda as an oilfield man. America's infrastructure is built around the use of fossil fuels. I am providing a needed resource, one which YOU help create.

Your thoughts are foolish and ignorant and uneducated. It's enlightening to know that you speak for most of America too.

This last post of yours makes you look truly ignorant.

 

[mountain muscle]

MM just hates giving money to mooslims.

Fuck muslims.

 

[Jon79]

only 21 billion barrels in the gulf , 3trillion+ barrels from shale ,why not go with the shale if you said it was so profitable?

it is you're job to work oil, you will do what ever you can to get your toes into the gulf to drill and tell people how great it is , how clean it is. you seem like a nice guy but I could see you're agenda from the getgo . I was waiting for you to come out and tell me exactly how you were affiliated with the oil companies, and it is that you are a rig worker

Most americans are fed up with oil period and want to switch to alternative sources of energy not just keep feeding the oil companies.
Well I have news for you " the experts " are going to loose Florida in this election , they have shale for oil production go heat shale and make oil and leave the gulf of mexico alone.

So mountian muscle I will take you're comments to be as valid as a man telling me how great cigarettes are for my health and nothing has ever been proven they can have damaging effects and pulls out a carton to sell me pack to make a quick buck.
No offense but you have a agenda , a job to do. I have a home and a beach to keep clean
We are at opposite ends of the spectrum just the way it is.

You can keep insulting me with " go educate yourself " and all your other tactics to make you appear to have some sort of upperhand. You have not provided anyproof that the gulf of mexico and the american people will be better off in the long run by drilling in the gulf. Only thing you have said is we can make 3trillion barrels of oil from shale but 21billion ( next to nothing vs oil from shale )is in the gulf so let the oil companies have it anyways

my fam has wells that have been producing since i was born and still are... its just they are only buying minimal production....


also just drilled alnother and laid the pipeline and it will be producing soon....

i dont know what my parents share of it is or how its set up but i think its only fractional

 

[chazk]

I see now that wiki is your source. lmao. I never said oil shale is so profitable, I said it became profitable at $64/bbl.

Leave the gulf alone now? Why? Do you have any idea how many rigs are currently running in the gulf and how long we have been drilling there?

Your attitude belies the basic ignorance that is so common of the anti drilling crowd. I agree we should be building and using alt energy sources. You seem to think stopping drilling is the answer. Where did that stupidity get us?

We are not feeding the oil companies, the oil companies are fulfilling a demand. If you want to lay blame look in the mirror.

No, I don't have an agenda as an oilfield man. America's infrastructure is built around the use of fossil fuels. I am providing a needed resource, one which YOU help create.

Your thoughts are foolish and ignorant and uneducated. It's enlightening to know that you speak for most of America too.

This last post of yours makes you look truly ignorant.

Settle down their big angry oil worker. When you are out of a job in 10 yrs.
I am sure you can change batteries in cars or something.
( gives mountain muscle a big hug )

 

[mountain muscle]

That is the whole point , We should be working to make oil NOT A NEED . Synthetic oils, biofuels, wind ,solar ,hyro power .
Seems the lack if education might be on you're part, if you choose to live in the past and not advance into the future.

Lack of education? That is priceless.

Please explain how your idea of not using our natural resouces somehow benifits the USA.

Biofuels? Do you need an education on those as well?? Your lack of foresight and comprehension of the big picture is astonishing, typical, but astonishing.

 

[chazk]

Lack of education? That is priceless.

Please explain how your idea of not using our natural resouces somehow benifits the USA.

Biofuels? Do you need an education on those as well?? Your lack of foresight and comprehension of the big picture is astonishing, typical, but astonishing.

Hydrogen, wind ,solar ,hydrostatic electric = low emissions output clean freash air to breath.

I am sure clean air is a benifit for the american people

So what does milkin the gulf dry of oil come into the big picture MM ? How does it solve anything ?
what does taking the oil out of the gulf have to do with the usa's dep on oil ?
How does using more oil ? make the usa able to get off using oil ?

MM when you come down off you're high and begin to comback to reality
then have a decent chat , not this " you stupid ,ugggh me like oil me drill oil gulf has oil me wants oil " mentality.
Really does not say much for building character or make anyone even care to read what you have to type.

How is this for thought MM , go into the gulf set up giant windmills and hydrostatic electric current devices ( motion from waves ) to power the entire southern area of the united states it can be done . Motion water currents can be used as a endless source of power and energy .

 

[mountain muscle]

Hydrogen, wind ,solar ,hydrostatic electric = low emissions output clean freash air to breath.

I am sure clean air is a benifit for the american people

So what does milkin the gulf dry of oil come into the big picture MM ? How does it solve anything ?
what does taking the oil out of the gulf have to do with the usa's dep on oil ?
How does using more oil ? make the usa able to get off using oil ?

MM when you come down off you're high and begin to comback to reality
then have a decent chat , not this " you stupid ,ugggh me like oil me drill oil gulf has oil me wants oil " mentality.
Really does not say much for building character or make anyone even care to read what you have to type.

How is this for thought MM , go into the gulf set up giant windmills and hydrostatic electric current devices ( motion from waves ) to power the entire southern area of the united states it can be done . Motion water currents can be used as a endless source of power and energy .

OK. Since I am going to sleep. I will make this short, it will also give you time to think about how silly you are being before I respond again,

All of your proposed alternative energy sources require a base construction.

What do you think would be required to build that base construction?

How would cutting back drilling in the gulf affect that goal?

Who is high now? You, friend, have no idea.

As an aside, You said you want to protect your beach. What caused more damage, destroying wildlife and leveling land so you could live on the beach, or the possibility of some oil on the beach?

I hope you can come back to reality and join me someday.

 

[chazk]

OK. Since I am going to sleep. I will make this short, it will also give you time to think about how silly you are being before I respond again,

All of your proposed alternative energy sources require a base construction.

What do you think would be required to build that base construction?

How would cutting back drilling in the gulf affect that goal?

Who is high now? You, friend, have no idea.

As an aside, You said you want to protect your beach. What caused more damage, destroying wildlife and leveling land so you could live on the beach, or the possibility of some oil on the beach?

I hope you can come back to reality and join me someday.

I said I live near the beach not on the beach , we visit a nationally protected wildlife park on the gulf.
No one said cutting back on existing drilling in the gulf. What I said was keeping the existing ban in tact to stop new drilling.
base construction of windmills and hydrostatic devices are very envo friendly
low emissions and would pay for themselves in the long run , rather then just drilling oil out of the gulf and moving along.

No damage was cuased at ft desoto national wildlife park and beach so I have no idea where you come up with this stuff from.It is a wildlife preserve much like most of the coastline

 

[75th]

How much of our oil stays in the country? I think I read that some of our oil production is sold internationally. In that case increasing our own production wouldn't matter much.

True, our oil will be sold directly on the international market.

However, prices will drop and our dollar will go up at there mere announcement that drilling will begin.

Those crazy speculators.

 

[mountain muscle]

I said I live near the beach not on the beach , we visit a nationally protected wildlife park on the gulf.
No one said cutting back on existing drilling in the gulf. What I said was keeping the existing ban in tact to stop new drilling.
base construction of windmills and hydrostatic devices are very envo friendly
low emissions and would pay for themselves in the long run , rather then just drilling oil out of the gulf and moving along.

No damage was cuased at ft desoto national wildlife park and beach so I have no idea where you come up with this stuff from.It is a wildlife preserve much like most of the coastline

I figured you wouldn't address any of my questions. What a surprise.

A ban on drilling is just stupid. You missed my point about living on the beach too.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

 

[75th]

Guess you guys did not read my statements.

Oil Companies slow down oil drilling on land , move to offshore drill as much oil as they want for free oil flows they make lots of money, No new refineries exist or even plan to be built , processing MORE oil to gasoline will not happen .
Just eazier drilling for oil companies , free oil in the gulf, No NEW refineres
= OIL COMPANIES fucked you even harder. Then when the gulf runs dry of oil the oil companies will go back to the land they have leases on.

THE POINT IS THE PLAN NEVER ONCE CALLS FOR MORE REFINERES , ONLY DRILLING IN NEW AREAS ,SO THE OIL COMPANIES CAN MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY. while the stop drilling on land and save that oil for later times

The Opec control the oil output, even if the usa drills more oil and supplies other countries the opec in other countries counter the move by lowering their drilling,

Someone said drilling in the gulf would make the usa richer ?
Think again , only the oil companies would profit as the opec lowers production oil stays the same price. The usa would not make one more dime
only the oil companies would make the profits and YOU WHEN YOU BUY THEIR GAS AT THE PUMPS. You know how many tax credits and tax exemptions oil rigs set up offshore get ? they pay bet to 0% TAXES they are set up as international enities. So only you pay when you buy the refined fuel in state ,federal,city and county taxes.

Oil gets sold on the intrnational exchange, does not matter if a barrel comes for 50 miles away to the refinery , or 5000 miles away to the refinery , It is still worth and sold for a @ 135$ , When the opec cuts down production of oil due to the usa tapping new sources , the price rises once more then the oil companies make bank , you get stuck with the opec's decisions.

If the govt allows more gulf drilling it wil be as if money was falling from the sky into the oil companies pockets the eaziest ,biggest pockets of oil ozzzing up from the ocean floor with little effort on the oil companies part as they luagh their way to the bank. Then set the land drilling on slow motion to not " over product " remeber the opec , the usa can not just drill away endless oil the opec controls the worlds output not the usa

LOL @ suggesting that oil companies are to blame.

I believe Exxon's profit margin last year was somewhere around the area of 8%.

Gimme a break.

 

[redguru]

Drill 50 miles out in the Gulf off of Florida. It will bring in jobs for boat captains, crews, and roughnecks all of which are relatively high in salary with respect to other blue collar positions.

The environmental impact of the rigs is near nil. Look at the beaches of MS, 15 years ago the waters used to be a murky black. Today they look like the rest of the Emerald Coast.

At 50 miles out, the rigs wouldn't be seen from even the tallest condos, line of sight at sea is 19 miles due to the curvature of the earth.

 

[75th]

Oh and for the cheap seats...when did the Fed start lowering the interest rates?

When did the price of oil start climbing dramatically?

Is it no coincidence the the cost....actually, I should say....PRICE of things like corn, aluminum, barley, coffee, cocoa, corn, cotton, oats, tin, and wheat starting increasing at the exact same time?

There you go.

 

[Jon79]

Oh and for the cheap seats...when did the Fed start lowering the interest rates?

When did the price of oil start climbing dramatically?

Is it no coincidence the the cost....actually, I should say....PRICE of things like corn, aluminum, barley, coffee, cocoa, corn, cotton, oats, tin, and wheat starting increasing at the exact same time?

There you go.

k back ur way man thanks

 

[chazk]

True, our oil will be sold directly on the international market.

However, prices will drop and our dollar will go up at there mere announcement that drilling will begin.

Those crazy speculators.

You are speculating oil prices wil go down ? if we say we will drill?
LOL sounds like you are speculating what speculators will do

75TH you know better then that , supply and demand
the usa puts oil on the market the opec cuts down it supply so the oil stays high priced, No more oil will be on the market becuase the opec will cut production, then when the gulf is empty from oil , once agian the opec takes advantage

 

[chazk]

Drill 50 miles out in the Gulf off of Florida. It will bring in jobs for boat captains, crews, and roughnecks all of which are relatively high in salary with respect to other blue collar positions.

The environmental impact of the rigs is near nil. Look at the beaches of MS, 15 years ago the waters used to be a murky black. Today they look like the rest of the Emerald Coast.

At 50 miles out, the rigs wouldn't be seen from even the tallest condos, line of sight at sea is 19 miles due to the curvature of the earth.

outsourcing comes into play , 50 miles out ? will the oil companies hire forgien workers to work the rigs and commands the ships?

besides it is only temp , a few more years of oil at most

The reason the gulf of mexico is cleaner today then it was 15 yrs ago is due to conservation and stricter regulations on ships and oil platforms.

 

[chazk]

I figured you wouldn't address any of my questions. What a surprise.

A ban on drilling is just stupid. You missed my point about living on the beach too.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree,

I mentioned hydrostatic wave electric and windmills set up out in the gulf
to be used as long term energy solutions, not just a few years of oil to be pumped and then you are left with nothing , Hydrostatic machines and windmills with long outlive the short amount of oil in the gulf.

 

[redguru]

outsourcing comes into play , 50 miles out ? will the oil companies hire forgien workers to work the rigs and commans the ships?
The reason the gulf of mexico is cleaner today then it was 15 yrs ago is due to conservation and stricter regulations on ships and oil platforms.

I have a friend who captains a rig boat but commutes to LA to do it. So the oil companies still hire Americans for that. Also the US claims a 200 miles territorial water limit, not just 12 like international law.

 

[drsketch]

Fuck the gulf not really much their... We need to go tap into alaska

 

[chazk]

I have a friend who captains a rig boat but commutes to LA to do it. So the oil companies still hire Americans for that. Also the US claims a 200 miles territorial water limit, not just 12 like international law.

maybe a proposal should be added to the gulf drilling plan that every employee must be a gulf state resident , the oil stays domestic and comes to the market at a subsadized price for the american market

 

[digimon7068]

maybe a proposal should be added to the gulf drilling plan that every employee must be a gulf state resident , the oil stays domestic and comes to the market at a subsadized price for the american market

the 12 mile international waters limit would probably allow the eu to sue us for anything obtained from rigs outside of 12-miles. . .the "subsidy" that you suggest would probably be viewed as an illegal trade subsidy. . .we (the u.s.) are constantly in court with the eu on illegal trade subsidy issues. . .and we usually lose. . .

 

[redguru]

This could also add buku port traffic to Tampa and Pensacola. How about a refinery in Immokalee? That area is impoverished and could use the industry. it's not far off I-75 for the truck traffic.

 

[75th]

You are speculating oil prices wil go down ? if we say we will drill?
LOL sounds like you are speculating what speculators will do

75TH you know better then that , supply and demand
the usa puts oil on the market the opec cuts down it supply so the oil stays high priced, No more oil will be on the market becuase the opec will cut production, then when the gulf is empty from oil , once agian the opec takes advantage

Yes...the reason oil spikes every time Israel says its about to bomb Iran does not apply to the hypothetical opposite side of that coin.

High oil prices = product of speculators and the low dollar. Why do you think prices drop when Saudi says its going to pump more? Literally 5 minutes after the announcement, the price drops. Did that extra oil already hit the market?

Were way passed supply and demand on this one.

 

[75th]

Again....

Oh and for the cheap seats...when did the Fed start lowering the interest rates?

When did the price of oil start climbing dramatically?

Is it no coincidence the the cost....actually, I should say....PRICE of things like corn, aluminum, barley, coffee, cocoa, corn, cotton, oats, tin, and wheat starting increasing at the exact same time?

There you go.

 

[chazk]

This could also add buku port traffic to Tampa and Pensacola. How about a refinery in Immokalee? That area is impoverished and could use the industry. it's not far off I-75 for the truck traffic.

Port tampa refinery can not even handle the load on it now, It would have to be expanded and no real area exist down in port tampa to handle it. they would have to build a new refinery , But in the long run if the usa is trying to get off oil , most oil companies would prob argue building a refinery is to exp if it might be working in 20 years.
Lots of places in the gulf coast of florida could be used for a refinery ,
the problem is the channels to get the big ships in and out , new channels would have to be dug ,waterways altered , infastructure changes ,bridges,roads ect.Alot of florida coast line is wildlife protected, most areas also have a huge shelf that extends out that is very shallow ships can not come in and out .

But you are right a new refinery could be built , just do not know if the refinery company is willing to do all the altercations to the water and land to make it work.

 

[chazk]

Yes...the reason oil spikes every time Israel says its about to bomb Iran does not apply to the hypothetical opposite side of that coin.

High oil prices = product of speculators and the low dollar. Why do you think prices drop when Saudi says its going to pump more? Literally 5 minutes after the announcement, the price drops. Did that extra oil already hit the market?

Were way passed supply and demand on this one.

you are speculating what will happen about gulf drilling, when a bomb threat or hurricane makes its way into the gulf , that is a legit disaster that can stop oil production and cuase tie ups in oil travel.

When the usa says it will drill more oil you think speculators will see oil is abundant and price will go dowm , the next day opec will annouce they are cutting production then oil goes back up , back to square one


but speculating what speculators will do when the the usa says they are drilling for more oil , will be just countered by the opec in a oil reduction to supply the same and demand high. The opec has done it before and does it all the time every year they meet to talk about how to manipulate the oil supply. this year when they meet Iraq will have some say in it , will they speak up and raise supply to eaze demand? doubtful

 

[Jon79]

you are speculating what will happen about gulf drilling, when a bomb threat or hurricane makes its way into the gulf , that is a legit disaster that can stop oil production and cuase tie ups in oil travel.

When the usa says it will drill more oil you think speculators will see oil is abundant and price will go dowm , the next day opec ok we are cutting production then oil goes back up , back to square one


but speculating what speculators will do when the the usa say they are drilling for more oil , will be just countered by the opec in a oil reduction to supply the same and demand high

i wonder when they are even going to touch the millions of barrels in reserve in the salt caverens in louisiana.

think its the largest of our reserves....

 

[75th]

you are speculating what will happen about gulf drilling, when a bomb threat or hurricane makes its way into the gulf , that is a legit disaster that can stop oil production and cuase tie ups in oil travel.

So, we shouldnt drill and start having a positive impact on our economy and therefore quality of life now because 3 years from now a hurricane may hit and disrupt production sending prices higher for a month while things get back up to speed?

Interesting.

I probably shouldnt go to work and earn money today since Im going to end up dying in the future. Who cares about the time in between.

 

[chazk]

So, we shouldnt drill and start having a positive impact on our economy and therefore quality of life now because 3 years from now a hurricane may hit and disrupt production sending prices higher for a month while things get back up to speed?

Interesting.

I probably shouldnt go to work and earn money today since Im going to end up dying in the future. Who cares about the time in between.

You could die as you walk out the door. The sun explode we could not stop it.
We Can however build alternative sources of enery to prepare the future of the united states to withdraw It's " demand " for oil.

As far as a hurricane "may hit in three years " , we know drilling in the gulf is a temp solution that has no solution for now 3- 5-10-20 years down the road.

As far as drilling now? having a postive effect on life now?

No proof of that exist, you are just speculating that if we annouce drilling oil prices on the global market will drop, the usa is not part of the opec

The opec controls that not the usa,Our few billion barrles pumped out of the gulf has a minor impact to the Opec's export and oil manipulations on supply and demans

When the usa is in control of oil manipulation ( as bad as they want to be )
they us govt is not , the opec controls the majority of the worlds supply

 

[BNG]

This whole situation isn't going to fix itself quickly as it took years to create. The oil companies are making record profits every quarter and as long as they are there is little reason for them to want to change. Our regulators allowed mergers that have resulted is less competition, which easily leads to higher costs.
Demand for oil has dropped for the first time in 17 years. That should be a loud message. If they think it's temporary they'd be fools. People will tolerate a cost to a point where the benefit fails to meet the cost. Look where we're at now. People are building Brown's gas generators for their cars at home, solar panels are showing up on the roofs of houses, people are experimenting with green energy at their own expense. If the gov't spent half of what is going to fight people we don't really care about on research & developing green power we'd drive the demand for oil way down, speculators would falter, and the price of oil would drop.
Those electric cars pollute more while being built, and will require Hazmat treatment for disposal. They are not green at all in my book. Not in their current form.
If all new construction houses were roofed in solar panels, all parking lots had solar panel shade structures, and cars had Browns gas generators built into them where would we be?
The old saying "necessity is the mother of invention" holds true.

Chaz, hydrostatic is an oxymoron. The wave generators won't go over any better than a bunch of windmills. People won't want them along their coast. My company was/is involved in the wind project that has been in the news in Maine. The rich don't want green energy if it somehow inconveniences them.

How much will water cost when we start burning it in cars? Did you know that Shell has already entered into an agreement with Ford Motor Co. to to provide water at their stations as soon as Ford introduces a car needing it?

 

[AAP]

LOL @ this nonsense. FL Repubs already slapped bushie around on this issue last year.

It ain't gonna happen and if it does happen, it won't have any affect on the prices of oil now. They were projecting something like 2017 or some shit like that.

Some of you dumbasses were the same assclowns that objected to a national funded hurricane fund, but yet you want to drill off the coast FL?? How about if we do, then only FL gets to to keep it? How you like them apples? Go cry now. Or better yet, start chipping in your taxes for our hurricane fund. LOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLOLLLL

 

[txbondsman]

LOL @ this nonsense. FL Repubs already slapped bushie around on this issue last year.

It ain't gonna happen and if it does happen, it won't have any affect on the prices of oil now. They were projecting something like 2017 or some shit like that.

Some of you dumbasses were the same assclowns that objected to a national funded hurricane fund, but yet you want to drill off the coast FL?? How about if we do, then only FL gets to to keep it? How you like them apples? Go cry now. Or better yet, start chipping in your taxes for our hurricane fund. LOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLOLLLL

I haven't read it myself, but the bill being introduced has an increased proffit sharing to each state as incentive, that can help the states that need the revenue.

Last time I checked, there wasn't a law that kept peeps living in areas prone to hurricanes that can't afford it, how about funding the dumb sumbitches that choose to live in a known flood plain that can and does flood on a regular basis and wipes their asses out everytime. Wildfires in Cali too, same thing. If you choose to live there, that's on you. Otherwise, move....

 

[EnderJE]

A few things.

1) You guys are funny.
2) I have no idea if there is any ecological damage, but it's a little short sighted not to care about it.
3) Given that oil doesn't seem to follow the supply / demand economics, I don't see how using that economical rational to drill.
4) Didn't the Swiss have the same problem in the 70s (over reliance to foreign oil)? They built a shit load of wind turbines and taxes the hell out of the people to do it. Now they don't have the over reliance to foreign oil. Isn't that a good idea? No, wait. Based on the taxes bad approach, I assume that the majority of you wouldn't see that it's a good thing.
5) Velvett is hot.

 

[75th]

you are speculating what will happen about gulf drilling, when a bomb threat or hurricane makes its way into the gulf , that is a legit disaster that can stop oil production and cuase tie ups in oil travel.

When the usa says it will drill more oil you think speculators will see oil is abundant and price will go dowm , the next day opec will annouce they are cutting production then oil goes back up , back to square one


but speculating what speculators will do when the the usa says they are drilling for more oil , will be just countered by the opec in a oil reduction to supply the same and demand high. The opec has done it before and does it all the time every year they meet to talk about how to manipulate the oil supply. this year when they meet Iraq will have some say in it , will they speak up and raise supply to eaze demand? doubtful

When did I say this would be a long term solution? We simply need to buy enough time to do stuff we, in hindsight, should have done 15 years ago.