grocery List if you WANT to grow on or off AAS

[hehateme000]

1-2 Gallons of Water a day

Protein

Boneless, Skinless Chicken Breast
Tuna (water packed)
Fish (salmon, seabass, halibut, sushi, mahi mahi, Orange roughi, tilapia, Sardines)
Shrimp
Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%)
Venison
Buffalo
Ostrich
Protein Powder (Whey, Casein, Soy, Egg)
Eggs
Low or Non-Fat Cottage cheese, Ricotta
Low fat or Non fat Yogurt
Ribeye Steaks or Roast
Top Round Steaks or Roast (stew meat, London broil, Stir fry)
Top Sirloin (Sirloin Top Butt)
Beef Tenderloin (filet mignon)
Top Loin (NY Strip Steak)
Flank Steak (Stir Fry, Fajitas)
Eye of Round (Cube meat, Stew meat, Bottom Round)
Ground Turkey, Turkey Breast slices or cutlets (*no deli or sandwich meats)

Complex Carbs (nothing enriched, bleached or processed if possible)

Oatmeal (Old fashioned, Quick oats, Irish steal cut)
Sweet Potatoes, Yams
Beans (Black eyed, Pinto, Red, Kidney, Black)
Oat Bran Cereal, Grape nuts, Rye cereal, Multi grain hot cereal
Farin (Cream of wheat)
Whole Wheat frozen Bagels, Pitas
Whole wheat or Spinach Pasta, Whey Pasta
Rice (Brown, white, jasmin, basmiti, arborio, wild)
Potatoes (red, white, baking)

Fibrous Carbs

Green Leafy lettuce (red, green, romaine)
Broccoli
Asparagus
String Beans
Spinach
Bell Pepers (Green or Red)
Brussels Sprouts
Cauliflower
Cabbage
Celery
Cucumber
Carrots
Eggplant
Onions
Pumpkin
Garlic
Tomatoes
Zucchini

Fruit (If acceptable on diet)
bananas, oranges, apples, grapefruit, peaches, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, lemons or limes

Healthy Fats

Natural Style Peanut Butter
Olive oil, Safflower oil
Flaxseed oil
Fish Oil
Nuts (peanuts, almonds, walnuts)

Dairy

Eggs
Low of Non-Fat cottage cheese, Ricotta
Low or non-fat milk
Low fat or non-fat yogurt

Condiments & Spices

Diet Soda
Crystal light
Fat free mayonaise
Reduced sodium Soy Sauce
Reduced sodium Teriyaki Sauce
balsamic Vinegar
Salsa, Jalepenos
Hot peppers and Hot sauce, Cayanne pepper
Chili powder and Chili paste
Mrs. Dash
Steak Sauce
Sugar free Maple Syrup
Mustard
Extracts (vanilla, almond, etc)
Low sodium beef or chicken Broth
Plain or reduced sodium tomatoe sauce or paste

For calories in each food go to http://www.fitday.com

Calorie Counting Formulas:
Mesomorphs: bodyweight x 15
Ectomorphs: bodyweight x 16-17
Endomorphs: bodyweight x 13-14

To start a cut: subtract 500 from total calories, to maintain cut: subtract 200-300 from total calories depending on weight lost each week. If this the first time you are cutting, I would recommend reading the short article posted by St.P. (see attachment below)

To start a bulk: add 500 to total calories, to maintain bulk: add 200-300 to total calories depending on weight gained each week

 

[needtogetaas]

meh

 

[needtogetaas]

to bring it all together use this.

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/order.php?price_group=-86

 

[Spartacus]

whole eggs if off
it takes cholesterol to form hormones

 

[hehateme000]

to bring it all together use this.

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/order.php?price_group=-86

Yes, i agree add the recipe book and ur GOLDEN

But really needto, the point is that this is what new guys should be researching and asking about instead of stacking deca with winny

I guarantee if thats all newbs ate for 6 months and trained with intensity, they would grow.

 

[drsketch]

good list.. and get a lot of that at sams club if you want a good deal!

 

[FunFun]

whole eggs if off
it takes cholesterol to form hormones

Full cream milk is a lot healthier too if calories are not a concern.

 

[wee_man]

It’s easy to grow on AAS, just go to McDonalds and eat three double quarter meals per day, I’m pretty sure that’s the #5 meal. Throw down a couple of protein shakes between the meals and your set. Almost forgot make sure you get those meals large size too.

 

[hehateme000]

It’s easy to grow on AAS, just go to McDonalds and eat three double quarter meals per day, I’m pretty sure that’s the #5 meal. Throw down a couple of protein shakes between the meals and your set. Almost forgot make sure you get those meals large size too.

Alright, well if you want to grow more muscle than fat, and if you want to have a healthy lipid profile, and if you dont want your arteries plugged, go with the Original Post

 

[1500]

very good detailed list.

 

[wee_man]

Alright, well if you want to grow more muscle than fat, and if you want to have a healthy lipid profile, and if you dont want your arteries plugged, go with the Original Post

Just being a hater

Your list looks solid, I’m going to try and eat a little cleaner myself, but in all honesty all my previous cycles included a diet very similar to the one I listed above. I’ve been very lucky, never had to worry BF%

 

[hehateme000]

Just being a hater

Your list looks solid, I’m going to try and eat a little cleaner myself, but in all honesty all my previous cycles included a diet very similar to the one I listed above. I’ve been very lucky, never had to worry BF%

In spite of the post, i agree with you about the mcdonalds. FOOD in general WILL get you bigger, with fat, water and muscle. Even mcdonalds. I know when im on cycle ill have fast food probably 3-4 times a week. But i wont staple my whole diet around that. But, to get more muscle and less fat and water (which will equal out to almost the same amount of weight) and to be healthier overall you should stick to whole wheat, colorful veggies and good fats.

 

[Improvise]

That's not his list. Just google "bodybuilding grocery list" and that'll come up.

 

[the_alcatraz]

With needto's book, I don't need any other books, magazines, or info on food...

 

[hehateme000]

That's not his list. Just google "bodybuilding grocery list" and that'll come up.

I never said it was my list, jus saw it in another thread and thought people should see it. Your right u can google that and it will come up. But who would just randomly google "bodybuilding grocery list"? especially a newb?

Hey needto, what if u cant cook?

 

[ceo]

I drink olive oil.

 

[xrsist]

Yes, i agree add the recipe book and ur GOLDEN

But really needto, the point is that this is what new guys should be researching and asking about instead of stacking deca with winny

I guarantee if thats all newbs ate for 6 months and trained with intensity, they would grow.

then why are you not doing that?

whats wrong with deca and winny stacked together?

 

[needtogetaas]

Lets just nip it in the bud here guys. Its a good list and we thank him for posting it. Thats it that ends it thats all. Move along now.

 

[hehateme000]

then why are you not doing that?

whats wrong with deca and winny stacked together?

Dude, i swear to god everytime u post its either bashin me or ross. Seriously bro. the point is that diet comes first. MY diet is already in check i can show u if u want.

 

[jvilma51]

i wish good ol mcdonalds made me big....life would be good...but now that i have stayed away from mcd's wendys and bk its tough to eat now because it makes me sick...

pizza and chicken parm are still my weakness lol.... wat can i say i am a straight up guito

 

[xrsist]

Dude, i swear to god everytime u post its either bashin me or ross. Seriously bro. the point is that diet comes first. MY diet is already in check i can show u if u want.

i havent started bashing yet, all i asked was 2 simple questions..

why would an 18/19 year old need to use gear if his diet was in check?

 

[hehateme000]

I wouldnt say i NEED it, as much as i would say im gonna do it no matter what and ill pay the consequences later in life. Sorry bro, there are far worse cases of teens abusing steroids than me. Tell me, honestly, how many 18/19 year olds, BEFORE starting a cycle, go get blood work done, check to see if their epiphyseal plates are closed, and get EVERYTHING before the cycle.

Heres my cycle by the way.

Test 400mg week 1-14
Dbol 40mg week 1-4
Deca 250mg week 1-12
Dermacrine 5 pumps ED week 1-4 ; 11-14
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD wek 1-14 (when needed)
HCG 250iu 2x EW week 3-15
Creatine KA 3g ED week 1-4 ; 9-12 ; 16-20


PCT:

Sustain 5 pumps ED weeks 16-23
Toco-8 weeks 16-23
EndoAmp weeks 16-23
POST CYCLE 6 pills ED week 16-23
UNLEASED 6 pills ED week 16-23
VIGOR 4 pills ED weeks 16-19
Clomid 25mg ED week 16-19
Nolva 10mg ED week 16-19
Cabaser on hand, .5mg EOD if i see deca gyno.


Working out 5-6 times a week, with my buddy whos gonna do prohormones at the same time im doin my cycle if he doesnt get enough money for his cycle. We work out hard and with intesity like we did for football (Napa High, CA. GOOD football program)

Just some supps im taking while on cycle:

Animal Pak Multis
B-6
B-12
CoQ10
R-ALA
Glutathione
Milk thistle
creatine KA
Flax seed
Whey

Also takin in 1-2 gallons of water ED, 270-350g of protein ED, and my post workout shake from trueprotwein.com with maxy waize, hydrolized whey isolate and glutamine peptides. Also taking Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide before bed (Casein).



Heres my diet:

Breakfast:
3 eggs
2 cups milk
4 slices bacon
2 pieces bread
fruit

Pre W/O:
Gatorade

During W/O:
Gatorade

Post W/O:
Shake
3 cups milk
R-ALA
Creatine

20 min after Post W/O shake:
20g whey isolate
1 cup milk

Lunch:
2 cans tuna (oil)
3 tbsp mayo
2 cups milk
2 pieces bread
1 yoplait yogurt
1 piece bologna OR 10 trader joe chips (tortilla chips identity crisis)

Dinner:
2 pieces bread
3 tbsp almond butter (with salt)
3 tbsp jelly
1 glass juice
4 cups chopped broccoli

Snack:
Busseto Italian dry salami (1 oz = 100 calories)
1 glass juice
half cup almonds

Before bed:
Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide 1 scoop
2 cups milk
5 tbs flax seed


5405 calories. Im trying to bulk. I know there are MINOR flaws in the diet (Pre W/O, not enough pasta, etc.) but for a 18 y/o it aint bad, especially compared to the kids who dont know what theyre doing.




Now, can you just accept the fact that im gonna do a cycle? And instead of asking me why i need gear if my diets in check, or how im too young, why dont you help me out? Im just gonna ignore every post you make after this, because all the other bros are here to help. Needto, Guardian, Snowy, and a bunch of others are more than glad to help.

 

[Mavafanculo]

hehateme: thats a good list wherever it came from - and xrsist wasnt bashing you - end of discussion

as far as your use of steroids, please dont even bring it up again, because this board wont be complicit in an 18/19 year olds steroid use. there is thread after thread about all the reasons why its not a good idea shortterm and longterm.

limit your discssions and questions to diet and training and its all good

-

 

[ceo]

You're 18? And you're going to be taking all that? Do you have some serious medical condition or something???

*shakes head*

What a waste.

 

[hehateme000]

yup, my apologies

 

[nzrodney]

Thats a lot of gear & supplements Bro. I personally dont think you need half of them but I can see you are trying to have all your bases covered. Couple of points to consider. Aromisan is better in PCT than on cycle because it reduces estrogen by up to 80% which is too much IMO & will dry your joints out big time. Adex is better on cycle. Gatorade is sugery so watch your intake. Keeps breads to a minimum. Use more full body carbs & whole food like pasta, potato, sweet potato, rice during the day to give you strength in the gym & build size. I am not advocating your use of AAS at a young age but I am involved in the training of two young men 19 & 20, & they have done very well. However, these guys had been training for 2-3 years & had solid bases to work from. But as I dont know your training history or stats I cannot comment further, but wish you well in your endeavors.

 

[Spartacus]

I use orlistat/alli prior to eating a high bad fat meal (e.g. steaks)
It'll cut down on the saturated fat absorption

 

[hehateme000]

Thats a lot of gear & supplements Bro. I personally dont think you need half of them but I can see you are trying to have all your bases covered. Couple of points to consider. Aromisan is better in PCT than on cycle because it reduces estrogen by up to 80% which is too much IMO & will dry your joints out big time. Adex is better on cycle. Gatorade is sugery so watch your intake. Keeps breads to a minimum. Use more full body carbs & whole food like pasta, potato, sweet potato, rice during the day to give you strength in the gym & build size. I am not advocating your use of AAS at a young age but I am involved in the training of two young men 19 & 20, & they have done very well. However, these guys had been training for 2-3 years & had solid bases to work from. But as I dont know your training history or stats I cannot comment further, but wish you well in your endeavors.

Took out the supps i figured i didnt NEED, thx bro. And the earliest id be able to start this cycle ill be almost 20. Thx again for the advice

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

With needto's book, I don't need any other books, magazines, or info on food...

You have a corn in your nose and some thing brown on the tip.

Needto did you eat corn last night?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I wouldnt say i NEED it, as much as i would say im gonna do it no matter what and ill pay the consequences later in life. Sorry bro, there are far worse cases of teens abusing steroids than me. Tell me, honestly, how many 18/19 year olds, BEFORE starting a cycle, go get blood work done, check to see if their epiphyseal plates are closed, and get EVERYTHING before the cycle.

Heres my cycle by the way.

Test 400mg week 1-14
Dbol 40mg week 1-4
Deca 250mg week 1-12
Dermacrine 5 pumps ED week 1-4 ; 11-14
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD wek 1-14 (when needed)
HCG 250iu 2x EW week 3-15
Creatine KA 3g ED week 1-4 ; 9-12 ; 16-20


PCT:

Sustain 5 pumps ED weeks 16-23
Toco-8 weeks 16-23
EndoAmp weeks 16-23
POST CYCLE 6 pills ED week 16-23
UNLEASED 6 pills ED week 16-23
VIGOR 4 pills ED weeks 16-19
Clomid 25mg ED week 16-19
Nolva 10mg ED week 16-19
Cabaser on hand, .5mg EOD if i see deca gyno.

18 y/o using tht musch gear. Im 35 and dont use that much. Young people will do what hey wana do no mater what anyones tells me. We have all been there. Some people have to learn the hard way.


What your doing is dumb and you need to be banned if you bring up your cycle again.

BTW that is a nice list.

 

[hehateme000]

is there a rule saying i cant do a cycle? fuck, steroids are illegal for most of us here since most of us dont have scripts, and we NEVER ask for sources? WHY? CUZ STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL. so i dont know why im the one gettin bashed jus cuz im 18. I did everything else right, and if im gonna do it anyway why wouldnt u just guide me instead of saying i should be banned. I came here for advice not a lecture.

I do believe i should wait till im 23,24. But im not trying to get HUGE. I just want a cycle or two under my belt, and then get on with my life. Yea, i MIGHT have problems later in life, but with the way im going, and they way im setting my cycles up, i dont believe ill have that problem. So i understand the side effects i MIGHT face, just like any other user MIGHT face.

People dont realize how amazing the body is, and how it will recover. People will always have their different opinions like how toxic orals are. The chances of me getting long term side effects from one cycle is not likely. I dont know why you guys exaggerate them so much. Its like just because someone wants to go pro, but theyre only 17,18, they all of a sudden dont get lectured about the side effects. FUCK THAT. Im gonna be a Marine, and then i want to be a personal trainer and play AFL. Thats enough reason for me to do a cycle. So if im gonna do it, how about GUIDING me, and if u REALLY think im gonna be SO messed up after this cycle, PM me.

 

[hehateme000]

18 y/o using tht musch gear. Im 35 and dont use that much. Young people will do what hey wana do no mater what anyones tells me. We have all been there. Some people have to learn the hard way.


What your doing is dumb and you need to be banned if you bring up your cycle again.

BTW that is a nice list.

once again if u read my posts ud know that id almost be 20 when i start. I know plenty of guys who started when they were 17 and 18 so i dont know why this is such a big deal. And a lot of them didnt know WTF they were doing.

 

[Mavafanculo]

is there a rule saying i cant do a cycle? fuck, steroids are illegal for most of us here since most of us dont have scripts, and we NEVER ask for sources? WHY? CUZ STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL. so i dont know why im the one gettin bashed jus cuz im 18. I did everything else right, and if im gonna do it anyway why wouldnt u just guide me instead of saying i should be banned. I came here for advice not a lecture.

I do believe i should wait till im 23,24. But im not trying to get HUGE. I just want a cycle or two under my belt, and then get on with my life. Yea, i MIGHT have problems later in life, but with the way im going, and they way im setting my cycles up, i dont believe ill have that problem. So i understand the side effects i MIGHT face, just like any other user MIGHT face.

People dont realize how amazing the body is, and how it will recover. People will always have their different opinions like how toxic orals are. The chances of me getting long term side effects from one cycle is not likely. I dont know why you guys exaggerate them so much. Its like just because someone wants to go pro, but theyre only 17,18, they all of a sudden dont get lectured about the side effects. FUCK THAT. Im gonna be a Marine, and then i want to be a personal trainer and play AFL. Thats enough reason for me to do a cycle. So if im gonna do it, how about GUIDING me, and if u REALLY think im gonna be SO messed up after this cycle, PM me.

Dood, now that you apparantly own the board, can I still be a Mod? I think Needto wants to stay on too if thats allright.

You dont get to make the rules here, you get to follow them. They arent arbitrary, they're in place for the safety of the members and the protection of the board as an ongoing buisiness.

We've had an informal (and as you can see, well enforced) rule about not discussing cycle issues with members under 21 or so. This rule is about to be formalized and added to the list.

There are too many reasons why its a bad idea, and none for why its a good idea. from loss of height potential, to messing up a primed HPTA, to legal, to loss of ultimate mass potential etc. If you want to screw yourself up, EF and its members wont be complicit in your bad decision.


Yes you've been more responsible than most with your prep and research, but that doent change the basic premise. biology is biology.

Up to you, stick around for diet, nutrition, supps and for when you're old enough to more safely do a cycle, or not.

I've now asked you a few times not to bringup your steroid use. If you do it again you'll be banned. LAST WARNING

==

 

[needtogetaas]

You have a corn in your nose and some thing brown on the tip.

Needto did you eat corn last night?

We do not talk like this on aas. If you are going to come over here shape the fuck up.

 

[needtogetaas]

hehateme000 i a pretty good bro though. He is hear to learn before he jumps for the most part.