Great Question, RADAR, ULTER

[Indy]

If you wree gong to run cycles for the next 2-3 years ane MONEY was NOT a worrry. what compounds would you use, and and what dosages ??? Let's see how big the dff is between "food" alone and Gear. Seriously, this is a legit question. I for instance dont worry about what I spend on gear, it's just a non issue, thank god Now let's just take 1 year, how would you cycle for size and lean mass, since money is not an object, this means the better gear (safer gear) blood tests at certain intervals etc....let it all hang out, it's not your money.........ps any mid ohio personal trainers that know all this shit, anaobolics, training, diet ??? pm me

 

[RADAR]

my pick would be 800mgs primo
750mgs Test
500mgs EQ


I know somewhere down the line i will have to throw in Deca or Tren for a few weeks!



RADAR

 

[lardo5150]

ooo good question. Would like to see these respones

 

[bluehen]

my pick would be 800mgs primo
750mgs Test
500mgs EQ


I know somewhere down the line i will have to throw in Deca or Tren for a few weeks!



RADAR

THat looks killer.

 

[LVTitan]

no gh usage ? no slin ?

 

[used2juice]

Tren has to be in there if you are looking at some real dramatic body composition changes.

 

[RADAR]

no gh usage ? no slin ?

No! I do not want to keep pushing my luck with GH & Slin.


RADAR

 

[djsf]

No! I do not want to keep pushing my luck with GH & Slin.


RADAR

Slin is without a question dangerous. What risks do you see with GH?

 

[DieselGunz]

primo/var/small dose test

 

[RADAR]

Slin is without a question dangerous. What risks do you see with GH?

Growth in certain cancer cells/tumors


RADAR

 

[satchboogie]

im not radar or ulter..
can i still play???

 

[RADAR]

im not radar or ulter..
can i still play???

I think you can!

RADAR

 

[satchboogie]

I think you can!

RADAR

INDY..
if money isnt an issue, and safety is #1, i suggest sticking to primo and low dose var for short durations. and maybe low dose test and/or deca.. when i say low dose i mean 250-300mg per week.

should keep blood pressure normal and cholesterol in check.
liver values shouldnt be affectd much, and kidney values fine too.
you WILL be shut down but in your case thats not a concern.

 

[trinidad]

Not that I was asked but what I wanna play too, so mine would look something like this:
1-12 test 500 mgs.
4-16 eq 600 mgs.
10-22 primo 800 mgs.
16-23 var 60 mgs. ed
22-30 prop/npp 75/75 ed
28-34 winny 50 mg ed
30-42 primo 800 mgs
38-50 eq 600 mgs.
40-50 test 500 mgs.
48-52 tbol 40 mgs. ed
Happy New Year!!

 

[UA_Iron]

Test as a base - 750-1000mg (sides permitting).
1-16 EQ 1g/week
14-30 Deca 800mg/week
28-42 Tren Enanthate 750mg/week
40-52 Primo 1 g/week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod (pharmacy grade)
HCG for a week straight every 5th or 6th week
Nolvadex 20mg ed to keep a lipid panel

orals probably 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Anadrol, Dbol in the beginning to put on size. Winny, var, tbol in the second half.

Shitload of blood tests

I think the rotating of orals really keeps the gains coming fast.

 

[bilter]

INDY..
if money isnt an issue, and safety is #1, i suggest sticking to primo and low dose var for short durations. and maybe low dose test and/or deca.. when i say low dose i mean 250-300mg per week.

should keep blood pressure normal and cholesterol in check.
liver values shouldnt be affectd much, and kidney values fine too.
you WILL be shut down but in your case thats not a concern.

Satch, would 250-300 be total mg? Please break that down for me, maybe 300mg primo pw with 40mg var pd and at what duration? Just curious

 

[satchboogie]

Satch, would 250-300 be total mg? Please break that down for me, maybe 300mg primo pw with 40mg var pd and at what duration? Just curious

what i meant was IN ADDITION to the primo/var, it wouldnt be a bad idea to add low dose test/deca.

 

[Ulter]

This question is not asking me what I WOULD do. It's asking me what I do.
Since I haven't been off since July 4 2000 and money is not a factor when it comes to good health and size.

I take 500mg/test 400mg/deca over 10 days. For those in remedial math class that's one shot every 5 days of 250mg enanthate and 200mg of deca.
I take 1mg of arimidex a day or 25mg of aromasin and 50mg of proviron. The proviron varies from season to season and I stop it in various situations. If I need to shut down my sex drive for instance I’ll switch to letrozole and drop the proviron. It’s like a light switch it’s so effective for this purpose. You’d be amazed at how much more you can get done in life when you do this once in a while.
About once every 4 months I will add Eq at 500mg/wk and when I am real adventurous tren at 75mg/day. That’s usually only at the start of summer. Which down here is March 1. That will transform my sluggish 15% into a hard 10% in about 6-8 weeks.
Occasionally I was adding T3 for 6 weeks so I could eat more but I don’t think I will be doing that anymore. Sesamax is a much better option for me. I don’t lose any LBM and I can eat. As many are finding out this is a real miracle product.
As far as putting on mass goes that’s just a matter of eating more for me. But I am not putting on mass beyond what I have right about now. I don’t want to carry any more than I have today. IF I did want to go back up I would use the test/deca every 3 days instead of every 5 days and switch the deca to NPP.

 

[Triple J]

I would go with a base of T, proviron, gh, primo, (with proviron and primo in rotation) with an anti-e as needed (adex or letro) - occasionally rotating eq, var, halo, dbol, tbol, and adjusting as needed to look lean & dry (summer) vs. a little bulkier (winter). Everything in very modest dosages with grand totals generally no more than 750mg/wk.

 

[DieselGunz]

This question is not asking me what I WOULD do. It's asking me what I do.
Since I haven't been off since July 4 2000 and money is not a factor when it comes to good health and size.

I take 500mg/test 400mg/deca over 10 days. For those in remedial math class that's one shot every 5 days of 250mg enanthate and 200mg of deca.
I take 1mg of arimidex a day or 25mg of aromasin and 50mg of proviron. The proviron varies from season to season and I stop it in various situations. If I need to shut down my sex drive for instance I’ll switch to letrozole and drop the proviron. It’s like a light switch it’s so effective for this purpose. You’d be amazed at how much more you can get done in life when you do this once in a while.
About once every 4 months I will add Eq at 500mg/wk and when I am real adventurous tren at 75mg/day. That’s usually only at the start of summer. Which down here is March 1. That will transform my sluggish 15% into a hard 10% in about 6-8 weeks.
Occasionally I was adding T3 for 6 weeks so I could eat more but I don’t think I will be doing that anymore. Sesamax is a much better option for me. I don’t lose any LBM and I can eat. As many are finding out this is a real miracle product.
As far as putting on mass goes that’s just a matter of eating more for me. But I am not putting on mass beyond what I have right about now. I don’t want to carry any more than I have today. IF I did want to go back up I would use the test/deca every 3 days instead of every 5 days and switch the deca to NPP.

WOW bro you deff know your shit

BTW sesamax is the shit!

 

[Indy]

WOW bro you deff know your shit

BTW sesamax is the shit!

Lot's of good responses, but what it boils down to, is SOMEDAY, we will be too old the stick a pin in our rear, and have to come off, is there still a chance of recovery ??? for some maybe, where is that line ??

 

[LVTitan]

that's why i use quads indy

 

[Indy]

that's why i use quads indy

Smart Ass whats up with all these seasamax ad's anyone tried it for results yet ??

 

[bilter]

what i meant was IN ADDITION to the primo/var, it wouldnt be a bad idea to add low dose test/deca.

Got it! thanks.

 

[DieselGunz]

I agree INDY I have only done one small cycel of var


I am contimplating going on a real cycle but i am worried about the sides and wanting to do more after that

 

[Whacked]

Ulter -- how are the joints? Is that Deca you're running year-round kicking ass for your joints?

 

[Whacked]

Also -- do you ever run HCG Ulter?

 

[Ulter]

I had both shoulders scoped and it didn't help. I couldn't even put a coat on by myself or reach around to grab the seat belt when I got into the car. Since adding deca I haven't felt any pain whatsoever in my shoulder. If they told me the nandrolone was cutting years off of my life they'd still have to pry it from my cold dead hand.

I do. Sorry for the visual... but only in the summer for nude beaches. I know it's all in my head but I just feel better when my testes are big and bouncy.

 

[chyllaxyn]

unless your are competing why would you stay on so long?

 

[black sheep]

2 Cycles a year

1-10 Primo 800mg EW
1-8 Var 80mg ED
Proviron 50mg ED 1-10
Nolva PCT

Wait 12 weeks then:

Primo 1000mg ew 1-10
Proviron 50mg ED 1-10
Nolva PCT -


Wait 12 weeks - repeat

Slow, gradual, keepable gains - Very easy on the body, and natural test production. Little effect on liver values and Cholestorol levels... By running the var only once a year - Liver and Chol. levels are really a none issue IMO.

 

[trying2grow101]

just curious ulter how big a boy are you to be running straight since 2000

 

[Ulter]

Average.

 

[musclehealth]

This question is not asking me what I WOULD do. It's asking me what I do.
Since I haven't been off since July 4 2000 and money is not a factor when it comes to good health and size.

I take 500mg/test 400mg/deca over 10 days. For those in remedial math class that's one shot every 5 days of 250mg enanthate and 200mg of deca.
I take 1mg of arimidex a day or 25mg of aromasin and 50mg of proviron. The proviron varies from season to season and I stop it in various situations. If I need to shut down my sex drive for instance I’ll switch to letrozole and drop the proviron. It’s like a light switch it’s so effective for this purpose. You’d be amazed at how much more you can get done in life when you do this once in a while.
About once every 4 months I will add Eq at 500mg/wk and when I am real adventurous tren at 75mg/day. That’s usually only at the start of summer. Which down here is March 1. That will transform my sluggish 15% into a hard 10% in about 6-8 weeks.
Occasionally I was adding T3 for 6 weeks so I could eat more but I don’t think I will be doing that anymore. Sesamax is a much better option for me. I don’t lose any LBM and I can eat. As many are finding out this is a real miracle product.
As far as putting on mass goes that’s just a matter of eating more for me. But I am not putting on mass beyond what I have right about now. I don’t want to carry any more than I have today. IF I did want to go back up I would use the test/deca every 3 days instead of every 5 days and switch the deca to NPP.

So ur on an endless cycle of test and deca...adding in certain compounds here and there? Hows has that effected your overall health? I think I would be the most happy man in the world if I was on NON-stop. Bloodwork could be done but what would it help? Im interested.

Note: Not planning on following ur ur steps...just curious. Im no not near your level and prob never will be.

 

[Ulter]

My overall health is excellent. My cardiologist says I am his healthiest patient. I have not had any degradation in my health. Quite the opposite. I don't get sick or run out of energy anymore. Libido is great when I want it to be and I have no pain in my joints. I couldn't be happier.

 

[musclehealth]

My overall health is excellent. My cardiologist says I am his healthiest patient. I have not had any degradation in my health. Quite the opposite. I don't get sick or run out of energy anymore. Libido is great when I want it to be and I have no pain in my joints. I couldn't be happier.

Good for you man. If ya dont mind me asking...how long till ya started the never ending cycle? When do you plan on stopping? if at all? How will it effect you when you are like 80? This is sooooo interesting cause all I ever hear is....never do a non-stop or endless cycle.

 

[Ulter]

This particular "cycle" is over 5 years old. I will not stop it. I'll be the best looking 80 year old at the home and still doing the nurses. If I don't get hit by a truck or something. AS has it's limits, ya know.
Staying on was wildly popular on this board 5 years ago. E2, Ranger, and a host of others are always on.

 

[musclehealth]

So whats all the hype about being on forever? If ya go simple and watch urself it seems ull be ok. question....what if one day you have a life changing experience and you feel that u wna stop gear. How would you do PCT? Would it even help?

 

[gymratforlife]

I pretty much do the same as Ulter have been on for around 8 months now and been cruising on test alone for the last 2 months at 500mg per week,was getting a little slugish so I added tren to the mix and now I am a killing machine in the gym again.I also have no ambition to really get any bigger,if I start to get a little paranoid about looking frail again Ill just trade the tren for some abombs I am a packrat so I like to homebrew and stockpile my endless suply of gear myself because I can tweak dosages and combos better that way.I also run HCG at 500ius a week when I feel needed.For example going to go get a few bottles this week as my balls are peasized now that I added the tren.I am 190 right now at 5'6" bodyfat around 10% maybe lower.Actually really want to get down to around 5-6% bodyfat and try to maintain it.

 

[gymratforlife]

Ohhh let me just add that if cash wasnt an issue I would definetly be runing 5 ius of Jino ED for the next 3 years to keep bodyfat down while bulking and also keep skin healthy amongst other benefits.

 

[Singleton]

building the perfect beast has long, planned-out cycles.

 

[Ulter]

So whats all the hype about being on forever? If ya go simple and watch urself it seems ull be ok. question....what if one day you have a life changing experience and you feel that u wna stop gear. How would you do PCT? Would it even help?

Not sure what type of life changing experience you are referring to. I can't imagine what it could be. But PCT would restore my natural test. I didn't have much to start with but my HPTA would restart no matter how long I was on.

 

[djsf]

Growth in certain cancer cells/tumors


RADAR

But don't anabolic steroids also have that same risk? That seems like a risk most of us have already chosen to take, to some degree. Do you think GH magnifies that risk significantly?

 

[crunkjuice]

But don't anabolic steroids also have that same risk? That seems like a risk most of us have already chosen to take, to some degree. Do you think GH magnifies that risk significantly?

check out some of this research:

"Men having an IGF-1 level between approximately 300 and 500 ng/mL were found to have more than four times the risk of developing prostate cancer than did men with a level between 100 and 185 ng/mL." From this article about US Produced Milk and Bovine IGF-1 Leading to higher rates of cancer :

http://vvv.com/healthnews/milk.html

this article is titled "Deficiency of Growth Hormone And IGF-1 Reduces Cancer and Kidney Disease, But Createss Other Problems"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050328175417.htm

"Growth Hormone Suppression May Inhibit Cancer"
http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/526069.html

 

[Outtlaw]

I gotta jump in on this one. If Im right the question is asking if you were to run a cycle for 3yrs straight? Well, it's something I dont see myself doing, but hypothetically.... if I were to do it, I'd just cycle as normally and then just run a constant bridge of like 400-600mg/wk of a test/deca combo till I cruise into the next cycle.