grams protein per pound bodyweight

[snagglepuss]

How many grams of protein per pound of bodyweight do you try to eat when on a bulking cycle? I have read anywhere from 1 gram/pound to 3 grams/pound. I thought I'd let elite "weigh in" on the issue (sorry for the bad pun )


In case it's not clear, you calculate grams/pound by dividing the number of grams of protein you eat in a day by your body weight. Take a 200 pound bodybuilder, for example:
200 grams of protein/day = 1 gram/pound (200/200 = 1)
400 grams of protein/day = 2 grams/pound (400/200= 2)
600 grams of protein/day = 3 grams/pound (600/200 = 3)

But, for a 175 pound guy:
200 grams of protein/day = 1.1 gram/pound (200/175 = 1.1)
400 grams of protein/day = 2.3 grams/pound (400/175= 2.3)
600 grams of protein/day = 3.4 grams/pound (600/175 = 3.4)

Just round up or down to the nearest 1/2 gram.

 

[StickFigure]

I always use 2-3gms/lb as a general rule of thumb depending on body weight, cycle, and goals.

 

[gregory]

Not again!

 

[SuperDawgy]

It all goes back to what school of thought you follow. Old schoolers will tell you that 1 gram per pound is enough. Alot of my buddies are pushing the 3.5-4 gr per pound threshold. I usually stick to the 2 if bulking (extra carbs) 3 if cutting. I also agree that it depends on what gear you're on.

 

[StickFigure]

Not again!

What's that supposed to mean?? If you don't like the topic, don't post something as brainless as, "Not again!" Just plain don't post at all.

These forums are for info gathering purposes so don't dog someone for using the forums for what they were intended!

 

[mcr]

Somewhere between 1.5 and 2 usually regardless of whether I'm bulking or cutting.

 

[snagglepuss]

Thanks to all the guys who responded constructively to my post! The reason I ask is that I've always stuck to 1.5-2 grams because I thought there was a limit to how much protein the body could absorb at any one time. However, I recently had a discussion with someone who suggested that (1) AAS can improve protein absorbtion and (2) increasing protein instead of carbs will help keep fat off while bulking.

 

[BD100]

It is 2 grams of protein per Kilogram of body weight, not pound. Big difference. 2 grams per pound of body weight can cause kidney problems.

Health Risks of Too Much Protein
There is no nutritional value in eating more more than the protein RDA if your body doesn't need it. Protein cannot be stored in the body and any excess protein is excreted. Furthermore, excessive daily protein intake (over 2g per kilo, per day) can overload the kidneys. High levels of protein in the diet are also associated with increased loss of calcium through excretion, which may be harmful for bones and increase the risk of osteoporosis in later life.

 

[snagglepuss]

It is 2 grams of protein per Kilogram of body weight, not pound.

Interesting. One of the articles I read in Flex magazine by Chris Aceto referred to grams/pound. I wonder if there are possibly two standards?

Health Risks of Too Much Protein
There is no nutritional value in eating more more than the protein RDA if your body doesn't need it. Protein cannot be stored in the body and any excess protein is excreted. Furthermore, excessive daily protein intake (over 2g per kilo, per day) can overload the kidneys. High levels of protein in the diet are also associated with increased loss of calcium through excretion, which may be harmful for bones and increase the risk of osteoporosis in later life.

Thanks for the input! As a follow-up question, If the excess protein is excreted instead of being stored as bodyfat, wouldn't this mean that you stay leaner by eating more protein instead of carbs? In other words, let's say you only need 3000 calories/day (given your metabolic rate + calories expended in exercise, etc.), but you eat 3200 calories/day. If the excess 200 calories come from carbs, I think they would be stored as fat, whereas - if I understand you correctly - if the excess came from protein, they would just be excreted?

 

[StickFigure]

It is 2 grams of protein per Kilogram of body weight, not pound. Big difference. 2 grams per pound of body weight can cause kidney problems.

Health Risks of Too Much Protein
There is no nutritional value in eating more more than the protein RDA if your body doesn't need it. Protein cannot be stored in the body and any excess protein is excreted. Furthermore, excessive daily protein intake (over 2g per kilo, per day) can overload the kidneys. High levels of protein in the diet are also associated with increased loss of calcium through excretion, which may be harmful for bones and increase the risk of osteoporosis in later life.

You sound like a dietition. Did you get that out of your local libraries text book section?

Dr. Peter Lemon, the worlds foremost authority on protien, has dispelled these BS rumors in numerous scientific publications.

The most simple way to figure out how much protien the body can absorb is this. Go ask a pro BB how much protien he takes in. Most likley he will tell you somewhere between 2.5-4gms/LB of body weight. Then ask him what would happen to his muscle mass if he only took the RDA. Bye Bye Mr. O title! That's what!

And it has everything to do with what type of training you're doing, what gear your on and so on and so forth.

Sorry if this sounds like a flame, it's not intended to be, but you need to do some more homework.

 

[mcr]

Thanks to all the guys who responded constructively to my post! The reason I ask is that I've always stuck to 1.5-2 grams because I thought there was a limit to how much protein the body could absorb at any one time. However, I recently had a discussion with someone who suggested that (1) AAS can improve protein absorbtion and (2) increasing protein instead of carbs will help keep fat off while bulking.

I agree with point (1), but (2) is only partially true and that's just because the body uses 20% of the calories from protein to merely break it down. So yes, if you ate 500g of protein, your body would end up receiving less net calories than from 500g of carbs, because it's harder for the body to metabolise the protein. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to do - you are bulking after all and WANT your body to get the calories (not use them burning up food).

I think also it's different for different people, so you need to experiment and learn about how YOUR body reacts to different diet ratios (preferably before you use AAS, so that you can make the most out of it once you know your body and metabolism well).

Hope that helps!

 

[calveless wonder]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

 

[mcr]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

^^^^^

VERY true.

Someone 250lbs @ 8% bf has VERY different protein needs to someone 250lbs @ 20% bf!!

 

[StickFigure]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

True dat bro!! Good catch!

 

[snagglepuss]

I agree with point (1), but (2) is only partially true and that's just because the body uses 20% of the calories from protein to merely break it down. So yes, if you ate 500g of protein, your body would end up receiving less net calories than from 500g of carbs, because it's harder for the body to metabolise the protein. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to do - you are bulking after all and WANT your body to get the calories (not use them burning up food).

I think also it's different for different people, so you need to experiment and learn about how YOUR body reacts to different diet ratios (preferably before you use AAS, so that you can make the most out of it once you know your body and metabolism well).

Hope that helps!

That helps a lot!

Recognizing that metabolism and diet will vary, are there any macronutrient ratios you would feel comfortable recommending? I take it that you think 55% of calories from protein is probably too high, but what about 30%? 40%?

I have a very hard time losing bodyfat. I've managed to get myself down to almost 10% naturally, but I plan to start a bulking cycle soon, and fervently want to avoid getting fat again.

thanks!

 

[mcr]

Recognizing that metabolism and diet will vary, are there any macronutrient ratios you would feel comfortable recommending? I take it that you think 55% of calories from protein is probably too high, but what about 30%? 40%?

I am cutting right now and am taking in around 350g of protein, 150g carbs and 80g fat, so that's about 50% of my calories from protein.

When I get to my bodyfat goal (I'm 11% now, want to be 8% before bulking), I will gradually up my carbs by 50g per week while carefully watching my waistline until I'm at a good state of gaining mass without adding to my waist. This time around I anticipate it to eventually be 350g/350g/80g so that's 40% from protein. I may even up the protein to 400g.

When I add AAS to this, I will bump up protein and carbs even more and will probably be at around 500/500/80 when I start my cycle, as I want to make the most out of the drugs.

I will say it may be prudent to do things gradually if you're worried about gaining fat and up calories slowly over time when making the transition from cutting to bulking.

I have to bulk VERY clean in order to not add fat and bloat. I bloat out just by looking at sodium, so I have to be very careful.

You are right to be worried about getting fat, but at the same time, if you're planning on running an AAS bulking cycle, in order to gain the most lean mass possible and make best use of the AAS, you will have to expect to gain some fat too. It comes with the territory but can be sorted out after the cycle.

 

[gjohnson5]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

I hate to tell you but proteins can be converted to fat and stored. Infact your body has chemicals stored in fat not to mention what used to be your hard spent money on proteins. Search the net for "sauna therapy"... These 1.5 and 2gm/lb of bodyweight are just a waste of money and people being fooled by supplement company claims of how to get big.

 

[Dial_tone]

The most simple way to figure out how much protien the body can absorb is this. Go ask a pro BB how much protien he takes in. Most likley he will tell you somewhere between 2.5-4gms/LB of body weight. Then ask him what would happen to his muscle mass if he only took the RDA. Bye Bye Mr. O title! That's what!

You really think most pros are taking in 600-1,000 grams of protein per day? Pros do error on the excessive side when it comes to supplements (all supplements) because they don't want to leave anything to chance, not be cause they really need that much. If Joe Blow is taking 400 whatever they're gonna take 500 just in case it works.

 

[Dial_tone]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

Finally somebody who thinks the way I think, although I stay closer to 1 gram per LBM lb.

 

[StickFigure]

You really think most pros are taking in 600-1,000 grams of protein per day? Pros do error on the excessive side when it comes to supplements (all supplements) because they don't want to leave anything to chance, not be cause they really need that much. If Joe Blow is taking 400 whatever they're gonna take 500 just in case it works.

I think alot of the big guys are taking 500-700gm/day. Ruhl says he takes in as much as 600gm/day. I'll admit 4gm is a bit high per lb but it is not totally unheard of, but I'm sure it's rare.

 

[snagglepuss]

I have to bulk VERY clean in order to not add fat and bloat. I bloat out just by looking at sodium, so I have to be very careful.

I can relate to that! thanks for the input. -S

 

[Texas Ranger]

I tend to believe most people overdo their protein intake. Using 1.5 grams per lb is very deceptive.

It should be per 1.5-2 grams per LBM, not per lb of bodyweight. Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake, therefore it's pretty much useless to feed something that won't break down the aminos.

You're are RIGHT!!! LBM is WAY more important than bodyweight in calculating protein intake.

 

[calveless wonder]

I hate to tell you but proteins can be converted to fat and stored. Infact your body has chemicals stored in fat not to mention what used to be your hard spent money on proteins. .

what are you talking about and what does that have anything to do with what i said?

 

[gjohnson5]

what are you talking about and what does that have anything to do with what i said?

Go back and reread the statements. You should find the answer is quite simple.

Your bodyfat doesn't benefit from your protein intake

Fact is that by over consuming protein your fat will be increased due to the fact the body will need to store some of it. In one point of view fat benifited from protein consumption as it increased.

I would also like to go over your formula of 1.5-2 grams/lb of LBM
A 200lb person and 6% = 188lb of LBM , so he by your formula would need to consume 282 - 376 grams of protein. This is also over consuming protein.

I could site a few hundred of them but this agrees with my point of view good enough
http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/foods/nf74.htm

 

[gregory]

What's that supposed to mean?? If you don't like the topic, don't post something as brainless as, "Not again!" Just plain don't post at all.

These forums are for info gathering purposes so don't dog someone for using the forums for what they were intended!

Don't get all emotional and sensitive. This issue has been beaten to death here over the years. If you did a search you would see that just the other week there was muliti page discussion about this. This topic is as unique as asking if you can drink winny.

Either way enjoy. Hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[view]

i eat 2-2.5 grams per pd of bw year round -- the only way to go.

look at all the beasty boys on this board and look what they have in common -- needsize, quadsweep, bigandy69, etc all eat a tonne of protien.... its the one thing they all have in common.

natties can probably stick with 1.5-2.0gr/lb

 

[gjohnson5]

Whatever,
I'm not going to argue with success. If it works, then do it. But You also have to understand that putting something in your body because someone else does it makes no sense at all!

I just wish I had a graph of protein benifit where it would show the point at which eating mor protein give decreasing benifit and at this point has no benifit at all. Maybe I can find such a graph on the net....

 

[Whacked]

Whatever,
I'm not going to argue with success. If it works, then do it. But You also have to understand that putting something in your body because someone else does it makes no sense at all!

I just wish I had a graph of protein benifit where it would show the point at which eating mor protein give decreasing benifit and at this point has no benifit at all. Maybe I can find such a graph on the net....

What progress have you managed to produce from smaller than "typical" protein intake? Just Curious.

Stats??

-Thanks

 

[Dial_tone]

i eat 2-2.5 grams per pd of bw year round -- the only way to go.

look at all the beasty boys on this board and look what they have in common -- needsize, quadsweep, bigandy69, etc all eat a tonne of protien.... its the one thing they all have in common.

natties can probably stick with 1.5-2.0gr/lb

I bet i'm in the top 10% on this board and in 25+ years of lifting I can count on one hand the number of days I've had more than 300 grams of protein. I'm 5'8, 250 lbs and 39 yrs old.

 

[gjohnson5]

What progress have you managed to produce from smaller than "typical" protein intake? Just Curious.

Stats??

-Thanks

I like dialtone am around 250lb 5'9 and I have been experimenting with this idea of 1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight. I have done what the weight loss "gurus" say is good for losing weight
1. drop calories
2. drop fat and carbohydrate consumption
3. excersize

Those three in combination with a high protein diet (Does this sound just like soth beach? I haven't read the diet personally) have not produced any drastic results for me. Yohimburn has been somewhat successful for me , but this idea of chomping down large quantities of protein personally has not worked for me.

I cycle 8 different protein powders in the last say 5 months on top of regular meals.
1. isopure
2. nitrotech
3. mgf-2 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mg/mgf2.html
4. iso-agb
5. ON 100% whey
6. Now Foods soy protein Isolate 90% non-gmo
7. cytosport evopro (nighttime micellar casein)
8. ultimate Nutrition massive whey gainer http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/weight.html

If you want to waste your $$$ , then that's on you. I've been wasting mine in an experiment and the hypothesis is that it makes you hold onto fat and it lesses the $$$ in your bank account. It's made no real difference in terms of gains in the gym.

 

[Whacked]

I bet i'm in the top 10% on this board and in 25+ years of lifting I can count on one hand the number of days I've had more than 300 grams of protein. I'm 5'8, 250 lbs and 39 yrs old.

% b.fat?

 

[little chris]

I read in the new issue of Flex Mag that Arnold took no more than 300gr of protein.

 

[Dieharder]

arnold even says in his encyclopedia (yes yes i know how everyone feels about it) that he took in 1-1.5g per pound to be on the safe side, but reccomended doing it using your LBM

 

[Dial_tone]

% b.fat?

haven't measured in years - more than 14% and less than 20.

 

[view]

I bet i'm in the top 10% on this board and in 25+ years of lifting I can count on one hand the number of days I've had more than 300 grams of protein. I'm 5'8, 250 lbs and 39 yrs old.

well, there will always be exceptions -- some can get away with less protien and make just the same gains due to genetics.

 

[gjohnson5]

well, there will always be exceptions -- some can get away with less protien and make just the same gains due to genetics.

Yes , but your words were something to the effect of "person x , Person y and Person Z do it so it's the only way to go..."

That means that you have no idea where you fit in this. Don't base spending money and putting something in your body for the sole reason that someone else does it. That is thier diet. You need to find a diet and a workout routine that fits you.

 

[jonny jacked]

Thanks for clearing up the math for us.
Personally I feel if you cannot calculate grams of protein per pound of body weight - you should start playing in traffic more often.

Just so I’m post actually contributes something - I take (let me see..I’m 220lbs and I take 400 grams of protein... so that’s 400 / 220 .... I take 1.8 grams/per

 

[jonny jacked]

You sound like a dietition. Did you get that out of your local libraries text book section?

Dr. Peter Lemon, the worlds foremost authority on protien, has dispelled these BS rumors in numerous scientific publications.

The most simple way to figure out how much protien the body can absorb is this. Go ask a pro BB how much protien he takes in. Most likley he will tell you somewhere between 2.5-4gms/LB of body weight. Then ask him what would happen to his muscle mass if he only took the RDA. Bye Bye Mr. O title! That's what!

And it has everything to do with what type of training you're doing, what gear your on and so on and so forth.

Sorry if this sounds like a flame, it's not intended to be, but you need to do some more homework.

Do not apologize - you are correct.
If you ask a dietician how much protein you need they would tell you (well, to be honest, im not sure...) But the point is, it would be based on how much you need to SUSTAIN a healthy body. NOT how much you need to grow.

 

[Mass Insanity]

I bet i'm in the top 10% on this board and in 25+ years of lifting I can count on one hand the number of days I've had more than 300 grams of protein. I'm 5'8, 250 lbs and 39 yrs old.

Top 10% thats a confident statement... lets see some pics bro..

 

[enacer420nj]

4grams per pound? No thanks lol

 

[brad34]

In the research I have done all recommend 1 gram per pound of your goal weight. Any more will be coverted to fat and hard on your kidneys.

In my opinion taking much more than that is more for mental benefits and not so much actual physical benefits. If you think you need 3 or 4 grams per pound then so be it..if it makes you think you will grow faster, you likely will. Weight lifting and body growth is obviously physical and mental..

I compare it to me taking a creatine capsule before lifting, probably isn't doing shit, but I think it is so I push hard to lift heavier, fool my brain into thinking I am strong.

IDK my 2 cents..

 

[HugeMenges]

Eating more than 1.5 grams per pound actually made me gain fat faster while bulking. Cutting back on the protien kept me leaner. You have to watch how your body reacts.

If Juicing you can go 2 grams per pound or more.

 

[thebigoz]

Lots of variables in this question (Current weight, goals etc etc)

For me personally, I stick to 2-2.5g / lb

 

[the_alcatraz]

I call bullshit on whoever said >4grs pr lbs of bodyweight...that would would mean i would have to consume more than 800 grms of protein a day

 

[joe d]

I call bullshit on whoever said >4grs pr lbs of bodyweight...that would would mean i would have to consume more than 800 grms of protein a day

i have done 4g before. if i counted all the protein in nuts and bread i would still be at 4g. i personally find just over 3g to be my ideal target. but i did eat 4g through 2 cycles. i may be one of the ones who voted 4 i dont remember.

 

[future]

I think its important to know what your body can digest personally. We can set amounts based on bodyweight but its our digestive system that really is the boss here. If you are overally gasy or bloated you may very well be doing too much protein in your diet. Also add some bromelain to your diet as well to help the digestion and absorption. Fiber also helps the digestion process as well. And keep drinking the water.

 

[DBBT]

guys need to find out what their macro's for each meal should be...and then eat that much each meal period.. and stop giving a shit if they are eating 800g of protein 1200 grams of carbs and 700g of fat...eat when you are hungry...stop counting..eat when hungry

 

[stosstruppe]

<1g / lb body mass worked perfectly fine for me (that's approx. 200-250g max. of protein daily) when bulking up as a rugby prop forward.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

I eat 1 gram per pound of lbm not total weight... I know people will think I'm crazy but I have no trouble gaining muscle with that number

 

[sparkant]

Top 10% thats a confident statement... lets see some pics bro..

Took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Varga]

Personally I've seen no added benefits from eating more than 300g of protein a day. I think is more important to eat consistently every day
Beyond that I rather eat good carbs and healthy fats to satisfy my caloric intake need rather than protein.

 

[Tonytoo]

i eat 2-2.5 grams per pd of bw year round -- the only way to go.

look at all the beasty boys on this board and look what they have in common -- needsize, quadsweep, bigandy69, etc all eat a tonne of protien.... its the one thing they all have in common.

natties can probably stick with 1.5-2.0gr/lb

you guys do this year round no kidney problems? - screw it, I will too then. I was nervous about having more then 35-40g a meal x 5 meals a day. but I've noticed that (at 150lbs of lean mass, I'm not even going to post how much fat I have...) that is the only way for to add muscle, and it adds it quick too.

thanks guys.

 

[musclemass1974]

when bulking I concentrate on good carbs rather than protein... in my opinion your body will only use the protein it needs and what it dont need it will store as fat or get rid of it as waste....i use to take in 2-3 grams of protein compared to now .8 to 1 gram per day and I have not seen any slow down in muscle gains or strength

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[tonytooagain]

huh. maybe I will try designing me a diet that much more lean with some solid carbs in it.

maybe it's a me thing but I notice that a diet high in protein from sources other then red beef tends to give me digestion issues in general. as long as I stick to beef my body loves that.

 

[the small soldier]

except in the most extreme cases the human body cannot process and utilize more than about 1.6 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Burn patients and wound healing patients need about 2 grams per pound. the average bodybuilder at the upper limits would utilize about 1.6 grams. I bet 90% of people on this board are WAYYYY over eating protein. Carbohydrates and fats should make up the majority of calories for someone not preparing to enter a bodybuilding contest.

 

[RickRock13]

except in the most extreme cases the human body cannot process and utilize more than about 1.6 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Burn patients and wound healing patients need about 2 grams per pound. the average bodybuilder at the upper limits would utilize about 1.6 grams. I bet 90% of people on this board are WAYYYY over eating protein. Carbohydrates and fats should make up the majority of calories for someone not preparing to enter a bodybuilding contest.

Agree 100% bro. 1.2-1.5g per pound is what I always aim for and is plenty. Any extra just causes undue kidney stress and ends up not used in the toilet

 

[the small soldier]

Agree 100% bro. 1.2-1.5g per pound is what I always aim for and is plenty. Any extra just causes undue kidney stress and ends up not used in the toilet

yes! and looking at your pics I'd say you have no problem gaining lean mass...and If I remember correctly you recently put up a 2x bodyweight bench. very impressive! looks like you don't need a ton of protein for strength OR mass!

 

[RickRock13]

yes! and looking at your pics I'd say you have no problem gaining lean mass...and If I remember correctly you recently put up a 2x bodyweight bench. very impressive! looks like you don't need a ton of protein for strength OR mass!

You are exactly right! 1-1.5x bodyweight is plenty and pretty much the limit of what your body can synthesize anyways. Anything over that will mostly be wasted and end up just going to the toilet

 

[Jack steel]

You are exactly right! 1-1.5x bodyweight is plenty and pretty much the limit of what your body can synthesize anyways. Anything over that will mostly be wasted and end up just going to the toilet

Unless on AAS, correct?

 

[peejae]

when bulking I concentrate on good carbs rather than protein... in my opinion your body will only use the protein it needs and what it dont need it will store as fat or get rid of it as waste....i use to take in 2-3 grams of protein compared to now .8 to 1 gram per day and I have not seen any slow down in muscle gains or strength

Build Muscle Fast

I agree good carbs are just as important as protein for building muscle.

Use code "Pimp20" at ntbm to save 20% and free shipping.

 

[Jack steel]

It all goes back to what school of thought you follow. Old schoolers will tell you that 1 gram per pound is enough. Alot of my buddies are pushing the 3.5-4 gr per pound threshold. I usually stick to the 2 if bulking (extra carbs) 3 if cutting. I also agree that it depends on what gear you're on.

Why do you say the gear matters? I don't see how that makes any difference.

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL this thread was started in 2004.... I would change some things I said from then. Looking at protein content is good , but I would analyze the amino acid profile of the foods you eat to see if you are deficient in essential amino acids. I've found that my methionine is on the low side and it can have some benefits in terms of building muscle and losing fat. Methinonine is also oxidized into homocysteine during training as well. Homocysteine is corrosive to arteries (and is known to cause heart failure) so it is good to get that removed. Betaine anhydrous (trimethylglycine) can be used to convert Homocysteine back to methionine. Most protein sources are low in methionine so it may be helpful to add some on top of the normal protein intake. Animal protein sources may be high in glutamic acid (glutamate) which mostly will be absorbed by the intestines. Same with arginine. It may be good to supplement with glutamine/arginine/orthinine AKG to bypass the intestines and get these amino acids into the bloodstream especially the orthinine AKG around workout time.
AKG + ammonia can be converted to glutamine which can be a way of removing ammonia from the system during or after training.

 

[gjohnson5]

I agree good carbs are just as important as protein for building muscle.

Use code "Pimp20" at ntbm to save 20% and free shipping.

Will have to look at need2 products more closely with this coupon code.

Anyway I agree. I use carbs to spare proteins being used for energy....

 

[DeyanIliev]

I like dialtone am around 250lb 5'9 and I have been experimenting with this idea of 1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight. I have done what the weight loss "gurus" say is good for losing weight

1. drop calories

2. drop fat and carbohydrate consumption

3. excersize



Those three in combination with a high protein diet (Does this sound just like soth beach? I haven't read the diet personally) have not produced any drastic results for me. Yohimburn has been somewhat successful for me , but this idea of chomping down large quantities of protein personally has not worked for me.



I cycle 8 different protein powders in the last say 5 months on top of regular meals.

1. isopure

2. nitrotech

3. mgf-2 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mg/mgf2.html

4. iso-agb

5. ON 100% whey

6. Now Foods soy protein Isolate 90% non-gmo

7. cytosport evopro (nighttime micellar casein)

8. ultimate Nutrition massive whey gainer http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/weight.html



If you want to waste your $$$ , then that's on you. I've been wasting mine in an experiment and the hypothesis is that it makes you hold onto fat and it lesses the $$$ in your bank account. It's made no real difference in terms of gains in the gym.

Maan why so much in supplements? No pro is using that much some of them barely use any. Everything should come from food, supps for fast absorption post work out and nothing more than a good isolate plus waximaze, thats it. Everything else would be a waste of money for me.
Bout the protein intake, IMO dont matter how much gear yr running everything above 2grams per pound is overdoing it. I personally go with the classical 3,5grams per kilo of lbm. And no, rarely a pro will stuff themselves with more than that. Big guys dont go over 500grams in total from lean meats.

 

[Nick_722]

2gms

 

[Dave Shutler]

I definitely am a big believer in more is not always better. Stick to 1.2-1.5 up to 2 grams for bulking, and 1.2 for cutting.
I also think it definitely matters what type of body type you have as well and how many carbs you can actually handle depending on your "fat boy" status. Because remember, carbs are protein sparing.

 

[N.Y.~FIT]

Use more real food as Protein egg white beans etc. the body metabolizes it better.


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[Dave Shutler]

^^^ Exactly NY Fit...Real food is king!!!

 

[gjohnson5]

I had to reread this thread since a lot of what I said was years ago. I used to be a hard core protein shake guy. I would do 3 or 4 a day. I don't juice. Ive done the research but never pulled the trigger cause I get enough police attention natty.... Anyway, then came the leucine studies and all that protein went out the window. NOW I buy HICA and BCAA. Everything else is real food as the last 2 people said

 

[JonSupps]

I get around 1g per lb (2.2kg * BW) because protein is very satiating and I need to eat more, so I rely more on carbs for calories on a bulk.

 

[gjohnson5]

1Kg = 2.2lb. Not 1LB = 2.2 KG

 

[Aplopez8]

Lol no 1ib does in fact equal 2.2 kg

 

[bigorse]

1Kg = 2.2lb. Not 1LB = 2.2 KG

correct

 

[Aplopez8]

Actually that is correct haha my bad I guess cuz I always divided 2.2 from the pounds I just assumed it was the other way which doesn't make sense oh well brain fartt

 

[[email protected]]

TO HELL WITH ALL THE CALCULATION BS! WHY? I didn't bother to calculate the protein consumption per body-weight. I went from a skinny 165lb to 215lb. just by eating three meals a day and a protein drink mornings, afternoons, and evenings for two straight years. I lost 15 pounds from laziness and not going to the gym. I'm at 200lb. and I'm going to try to reach 260lb. or more by January, 2018. I shouldn't have any problems reaching my goal except for external forces acting upon me such as getting into a car accident, getting mugged and killed, or getting hit by a bus, train, or a stray bullet in this fucked-up city.
I accomplished the weight gain without the use of any steroid! Now, with the addition of oral steroids, prohormones, and injections, I may be able to cut the time in half.
My metabolism appears to be fine according to my last blood test and urinalysis back in May. So the green light is on for August 2, 2015 9AM Sunday!!!

 

[AnimalBloodFitness]

LOL @ anyone who eats 4 grams per pound. Why not just stab your liver with an icepick.

 

[MadM11]

No more than 3. the average is 1,5-2,5

 

[George Spellwin]

Usually 1.5-2 grams

 

[alphaasfuck]

I've always felt that it's more important to keep a steady intake of protein. Every 3 hours keeps you anabolic, after 4 you're catabolic.