Got some dermacrine laying around...

[mus1cjunk1e]

I am in the 4th week of a 12 week test/trenbolone/mast cycle. My plan is to bulk for 8 weeks and then cut for the last 4. Right now I am really starting to feel the gains.

I went to order 2 bottles of sustain alpha for use in PCT and accidentally ordered 2 of regular derma. I then went ahead and reordered the sustain alpha so right now I have both. I was going to just return the regular derma but now that it is just sitting there I kind of want to use it with my cycle. I don't really have the money to do it (I kinda need the 100 bucks back) but it's just staring me in the face

My question is. Do you guys think it is worth it to stack it with my cycle. Also what would be the best way to do it? I know it says to run 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off but since on on a cycle anyway could I just run it the last 8 weeks of my cycle then switch to sustain? Do you think the added gains above what my cycle is already giving me is worth not getting my money back?

 

[needtogetaas]

I am in the 4th week of a 12 week test/trenbolone/mast cycle. My plan is to bulk for 8 weeks and then cut for the last 4. Right now I am really starting to feel the gains.

I went to order 2 bottles of sustain alpha for use in PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - and accidentally ordered 2 of regular derma. I then went ahead and reordered the sustain alpha so right now I have both. I was going to just return the regular derma but now that it is just sitting there I kind of want to use it with my cycle. I don't really have the money to do it (I kinda need the 100 bucks back) but it's just staring me in the face

My question is. Do you guys think it is worth it to stack it with my cycle. Also what would be the best way to do it? I know it says to run 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off but since on on a cycle anyway could I just run it the last 8 weeks of my cycle then switch to sustain? Do you think the added gains above what my cycle is already giving me is worth not getting my money back?

Yes bro!!! Just run it threw out the whole cycle. Using it 4 weeks on 4 weeks of is only for when you are off cycle.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...nabolic-androgenic-steroids-cycle-568661.html

Some reading^^^^^^^^^

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Just read that link. Sounds like it'll help with some of the lethargy/appetite loss I've been having with the tren. Looks like I'll be running it week 5-12. Thanks for the info as always needto.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just read that link. Sounds like it'll help with some of the lethargy/appetite loss I've been having with the trenbolone. Looks like I'll be running it week 5-12. Thanks for the info as always needto.

Any time bro.

 

[njmuscleguy]

You can certainly add it, but with a cycle like that, you'll likely won't feel the "boost" you get from derma as much as you would if you were not cycling. I actually like to use it as a kick-start when running long esters (instead of an oral)...it's mild, but does the job nicely (and not harsh on the liver).

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I'm glad you put up this thread because I was actually about to put up a similar one... I just finished a short 8-week cycle, t bol, tr-en ace, and pr-op... I ran the t bol for the first 4 weeks, for an extra "kick".... after that, I was missing that extra kick so I decided to run Dermacrine for the last 4 weeks... and it definitely gave me the kick I was lookin' for...especially since after a while of being on tr-en, you kinda get that lethargic tired feeling.... Derma helped minimize that....I wasn't sure if I'd notice anything with Derma on-cycle, I'd only ever used it before while off... so I ran it for a while, then skipped a few days... I definitely noticed a difference... I'm thinking in the future I'll use derma as a mild kickstart to any cycle as opposed to an oral.

Good stuff!

Seems like you liked it on your test/tren cycle for the exact reasons I'm going to add it to mine.

 

[silverskyline]

Seems like you liked it on your test/trenbolone cycle for the exact reasons I'm going to add it to mine.

Hahaha dude I did the same thing about 2 weeks ago now I have both.

I am about to just add the Dermactine to my cycle in the last 4 weeks.

However I just read a thread about a guys major downs about 10 days after his cycle and was thinking if I'm going to have those maybe I want to save my dermacrine for when I down off the test to kind of keep things pumped a little.

havnt made my final decission now that I read that today.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

It seems like from what I've read that you won't want to use dermacrine when you should be recovering because it will hinder recovery by continuing to suppress natural test. Whereas sustain alpha works more like HCG in that in stimulates more natural test production.

 

[silverskyline]

It seems like from what I've read that you won't want to use dermacrine when you should be recovering because it will hinder recovery by continuing to suppress natural test. Whereas sustain alpha works more like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in that in stimulates more natural test production.

TRUE THAT....

I GUESS WE WILL BOTH BE STACKING WITH DERMACRINE THEN...

I'M ON WEEK 4.5 NOW GOING TO ADD THE DERM NEXT WEEK ON WEEK RIGHT AFTER MY WEEK 5.5 PIN SO IT RUNS TILL ABOUT THE END OF MY 10 WEEK.

GOOD LUCK TO YA, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK SINCE I BELIEVE WERE BOTH RUNNING DIFFERENT GEAR

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Ya I'm interested to hear how well it works for you as well. In a couple weeks I'll probably post a thread about my results.

What are you running? Just sust right?

 

[silverskyline]

NEGATIVE TEST testosterone cypionate....NO SUSTAIN THIS TIME AROUND

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/cycle-update-week-4-a-581741.html

I forget what are you runnin it with?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

NEGATIVE TEST testosterone cypionate....NO SUSTAIN THIS TIME AROUND

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/cycle-update-week-4-a-581741.html

I forget what are you runnin it with?

LOL and I just saw that thread today too. I'm running test p, tren, and masteron. And even tho it sounds dumb I don't know the exact dosage as I got it from a friend (that I trust btw) and the vial has no label on it. Given what I know about the limits of mg per ml in oil suspensions, and the affects of different dosages of anabolics, and the fact that he told me it was double dosed (its from a UG that he had a long close relationship with so he could get special orders), I believe it to be 200mg test p, 200mg tren, and 200mg masteron per ML. I am doing 1/2cc every other day. So I am doing what I believe to be 350mg of each a week. Which given the affects so far I believe to be accurate. However it is possible that the masteron dose is actually half that but I have no real way to tell.

 

[silverskyline]

LOL and I just saw that thread today too. I'm running test p, trenbolone, and masteron. And even tho it sounds dumb I don't know the exact dosage as I got it from a friend (that I trust btw) and the vial has no label on it. Given what I know about the limits of mg per ml in oil suspensions, and the affects of different dosages of anabolics, and the fact that he told me it was double dosed (its from a UG that he had a long close relationship with so he could get special orders), I believe it to be 200mg test p, 200mg trenbolone, and 200mg masteron per ML. I am doing 1/2cc every other day. So I am doing what I believe to be 350mg of each a week. Which given the affects so far I believe to be accurate. However it is possible that the masteron dose is actually half that but I have no real way to tell.

fantastic I think I read that thread a while ago as well, think that was you.

Right on, have fun I'm out.

I'll keep posted

 

[needtogetaas]

It seems like from what I've read that you won't want to use dermacrine when you should be recovering because it will hinder recovery by continuing to suppress natural test. Whereas sustain alpha works more like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in that in stimulates more natural test production.

Na. You can use dermacrine reg starting right after your cycle for 4 weeks. Then switch to dermacrine sustain alpha for 4 weeks. Lots of people have don it like this with good results. Its a way to come off all the aas and still keep test and andro up well your body has a chance to reach homeostases after all the compounds clear. Then switch to dermacrine sustain to finish out the job. Its kind of like the pyramid idea only using dermacrine which is a lot easer to come off of then any aas would be.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Na. You can use dermacrine reg starting right after your cycle for 4 weeks. Then switch to dermacrine sustain alpha for 4 weeks. Lots of people have don it like this with good results. Its a way to come off all the anabolic androgenic steroids and still keep test and andro up well your body has a chance to reach homeostases after all the compounds clear. Then switch to dermacrine sustain to finish out the job. Its kind of like the pyramid idea only using dermacrine which is a lot easer to come off of then any anabolic androgenic steroids would be.

So basically you wait to start any PCT until you start the sustain alpha?

 

[needtogetaas]

So basically you wait to start any PCT - post cycle therapy - until you start the sustain alpha?

Yes dermacrine sustain alpha is the pct to always use bro. The dermacrine reg would be more like a pree pct then any thing else. Kind of like how people use prov.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

So needto, which of these options do you think would give me the most benefit given what I currently have (keep in mind my biggest fear is losing the gains I'm getting on cycle so I want to do whatever will best keep them):

1. Run my 2 bottles of derma for the last 8 weeks of my cycle (4 weeks of my bulking phase and 4 weeks of my cutting phase), wait one week after last shot, then start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

2. Run 1 bottle of derma for the last 4 weeks of my cycle (this will be during my cutting phase), immediately run second bottle of derma, when 2nd bottle is empty start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

3. Run 1 bottle of derma for the middle 4 weeks of my cycle (this will be during my bulking phase), finish the last 4 weeks of the cycle, wait one week after last shot, then start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

 

[needtogetaas]

So needto, which of these options do you think would give me the most benefit given what I currently have (keep in mind my biggest fear is losing the gains I'm getting on cycle so I want to do whatever will best keep them):

1. Run my 2 bottles of derma for the last 8 weeks of my cycle (4 weeks of my bulking phase and 4 weeks of my cutting phase), wait one week after last shot, then start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

2. Run 1 bottle of derma for the last 4 weeks of my cycle (this will be during my cutting phase), immediately run second bottle of derma, when 2nd bottle is empty start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

3. Run 1 bottle of derma for the middle 4 weeks of my cycle (this will be during my bulking phase), finish the last 4 weeks of the cycle, wait one week after last shot, then start H.C.G. and Nolv.aldex as per drjmw's p.c.t. plan along with sustain

4 start hcg now run it 500uis ew till cycle is over. Run one bottle of derma last 4 weeks and the other 4weeks after. then do 4 weeks of sustain.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Well the only problem with that is that I don't have the HCG yet. Hopefully I'll have it in another week or 2, or it may never come who knows. Assuming that HCG is out of the picture or only comes near the end of my cycle, would that still be the best choice?

 

[needtogetaas]

Well the only problem with that is that I don't have the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - yet. Hopefully I'll have it in another week or 2, or it may never come who knows. Assuming that HCG is out of the picture or only comes near the end of my cycle, would that still be the best choice?

Ether what I said or chose 2 is the best. Its always best to run hcg during the cycle if you can. But if you can't go with 2.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

And sustain really works that well that I can skip the Nolvald.ex and h.c.g altogether post cycle?

EDIT: damn you're fast lol

 

[needtogetaas]

And sustain really works that well that I can skip the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .dex and h.c.g altogether post cycle?

EDIT: damn you're fast lol

Its always best to use hcg at some point. yes sustain alpha is better then nolva for pct. If you cant get the hcg then using the dermacrine reg then the sustain is as good as you can get. Maybe throw in some unleashed or phyto-test.
Not much can take the place of hcg though.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Awesome man! Thanks!

I'd much rather not take Nolvad.ex if possible considering it's got side affects of its own plus I'd rather not keep fucking up my hormones if I can help it.

Once again thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions. I owe you a beer man

 

[needtogetaas]

Awesome man! Thanks!

I'd much rather not take Nolvad.ex if possible considering it's got side affects of its own plus I'd rather not keep fucking up my hormones if I can help it.

Once again thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions. I owe you a beer man

I don't drink bro,but thats non the less.