got me bloods ;-)

[aj13]

RIghto - got my bloods back the day before i start my first cycle.

Doc said they were normal which is good.


Ref. Range
Total Testosterone: 24.1 nmol/L (8.3 - 30.2)
Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulphate: 8.9 umol/L (3.0 - 10.5)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin: 41 nmol/L (13 - 71)
Calculated Free Testosterone: 469 pmol/L (225 - 725)

Anyway its annoying Iv got a pretty bad cold at the moment so hopefully ill be good in 3 or 4 days. Im gonna take my first jab tomorrow anyway - i dont think me having the common cold/flu will impact on my cycle - given it takes about 2 weeks to kick in anyway.

BTW 23 years old.

cycle:

1 - 10: 400 mg/week (Mon & Thurs) of Test Cyp.
13 - 16: Nolva/Primordial Testosterone Recovery Stack.
Letrozole (1mg/ml) @ .25ml EOD - starting when needed.

+ lots of sleep & FOOD FOOD FOOD.

currently at 70kg / 154 lbs athletic/fit/pretty lean see profile picture for current body build.

Anyway cant wait for my first jab tomorrow!!!! woo hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (this cat is ridiculous)

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well I hate to quell your excitement...but...

When you're sick, you shouldn't train. So why start a cycle just to sit around?

Test does not take weeks to kick in. It takes minutes.

Do you just want the kick of using drugs or do you wnat to get excited about training hard?

GHB? Why the fuck do you want THAT shit?

Too much letro.

With all due respect, the Recovery stack is nice but it is not a sufficient PCT. And adding Nolva will make it worse.

Get some HCG, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Arimidex. You'll need it. Follow that with BRIDGE.

 

[aj13]

yeah had it recreationally a bunch of times when i was younger.

Just got a couple of mates who do comp and had it available - anyway its not a big deal whether I do or not - if it doesnt provide significant gains then I wont really bother

 

[aj13]

well yeah im recovering from the cold anyway should only be a few days - i can start the cycle next week if necessary but im doin it with my best mate so thought we'd start at the same time. anyway Last time i posted these exact details minus the G - even moderators said good cycle and all systems are go. guess everyone has a different opinion.

And WOW didnt expect such a strong negative reaction to G, It was actually on this forum after using the search function that I was reading about people using it help in recovery/increase release of GH.

Anyway Im looking forward to it anyway

and Nelson,

of course I want to train hard I'v been boxing and weight training and keeping my body in a constant high level of fitness for the last 7 years. I train regularly and I always train hard whether weights, boxing or cardio. Why do you ask?


EDIT - removed G before anyone else jumps down my throat!

 

[Nelson Montana]

well yeah im recovering from the cold anyway should only be a few days - i can start the cycle next week if necessary but im doin it with my best mate so thought we'd start at the same time. anyway Last time i posted these exact details minus the G - even moderators said good cycle and all systems are go. guess everyone has a different opinion.

And WOW didnt expect such a strong negative reaction to G, It was actually on this forum after using the search function that I was reading about people using it help in recovery/increase release of GH.

Anyway Im looking forward to it anyway

and Nelson,

of course I want to train hard I'v been boxing and weight training and keeping my body in a constant high level of fitness for the last 7 years. I train regularly and I always train hard whether weights, boxing or cardio. Why do you ask?


EDIT - removed G before anyone else jumps down my throat!

Because you said you were getting sick. If you're going to need some time to rest, why start injecting yourself? It's not like the drug sits around and then starts working in a few weeks. It's out of your system in a week!

 

[aj13]

Fair enough, I might start thurs or next Monday, see how I feel. Cheers to all for your advice as always

 

[C.K.]

Least testerone wont cause brain damage like GHB will

You cant back that up... look up ghb's medical use... if not overdosed its perfectly fine to help you sleep and its test and gh boosting qualities well if you've ever done it you'd know instantly by how horny you get lmao

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

even if id did provide SOME level of gains, ud be better off injecting an extra 100mg testerone

Least testerone wont cause brain damage like GHB will

btw letro is dosed at 2.5mg/ml

Lol at the brain damage. If it caused brain damage then how is it an FDA approved drug?

 

[75th]

Lol at the brain damage. If it caused brain damage then how is it an FDA approved drug?

Because Im sure aspirin, while FDA approved, isnt dangerous if you take a lot of it...right?

Anyway, did I read this right where it says you're 154 lbs?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Because Im sure aspirin, while FDA approved, isnt dangerous if you take a lot of it...right?

Anyway, did I read this right where it says you're 154 lbs?

154 pounds!? Dude, you don't need steroids, get some BIG BLAST and Better Bars!

 

[stevesmi]

I know you are probably gonna do it no matter what anyone says BUT if you are 154 pounds and your pic is recent I strongly urge you to NOT start a cycle soon... in additon you are only 23 years old which even though many on here will say its old enough, to me IT IS NOT. you should wait till you are 26+.

your hormones are still high at your age.

HOWEVER i know you are like so many other young guns that you are not gonna wait 3 more years SO if you are gonna jump now atleast take this advice:

I would like you to put on 15 pounds of muscle and hit the weight room hard for the next 6 weeks. 5X per week, no excuses. eat 2X your body weight in protein and eat like a horse otherwise, healthy food. not fast food crap.

then you can do the 10 weeks of cyp. you DONTneed anyting else for your first cycle.. and follow Nelsons advice on PCT, that is solid.

if you do not take this advice what is gonna happen is you will be DISSAPOINTED in your results cause you are not conditioned yet to juice. read other posts of these guys that get zero results from steroids, there are hundreds of them, just google... the main reason is they don't now how to lift, and dont know how to eat and what to eat. and also their bodies are not conditioned so even if they were to lift like they should they would spend the first weeks so sore that they would be able to workout only 2-3 times a week tops. how much do you bench now? at your weight you should be at 240 area, otherwise you are not ready yet. me thinks you probably bench 200 tops. am i right?

bro I PROMISE you with your lean body if you follow what I said above you will get some excellent and noticeable results..

 

[aj13]

My body is conditioned to lift, Iv been lifting for 7 years, low weight high reps. however as you probably know with competition boxing I have to remain within a certain weight division, for me that was around 65kg now since fratcturing my hip a from kickboxing a while ago I have spent the last 12 months lifting heavy weights only. Iv put on about 12 pounds of lean muscle and even though for you guys (and for anyone for that matter) it sounds very light I can assure you my muscles are conditioned. I have a weight trainer who is also on the gear at my gym who has been monitoring and spotting me for nearly a year - on top of this I first came to this forum nearly 12 months ago - and the advice given to me was that i was too young to go ahead with this - but unlike everyone else who just goes ahead with it anyway - I kept training and actually listened to the advice given from some of the pro's on here and WAITED. Now i know my weight is still light, but I am fit and strong for my size.

Previous comments from RADAR for example said that I have a great foundation to build upon and that will yield great results. Further more I have a doctor that is monitoring my gear use as he is pro-steroids and has given me the go ahead as he also was my ringside doctor for boxing so knows my fitness history well. He also deals with many, many other steroid users. (but unfortunately is anti-test and more pro-deca!!)

I have consulted with numerous guru's on this board, medical proffessionals (such as my doctor and pathologist), and weight trainers who have monitored my progress in weight lifting over the 18 months and specifically heavy weight lifting over the last 12 months.

I do appreciate your concern however, and I agree with you that for most body builders, ideally this weight is quite light and I could probably attain greater results at a later date, However, with all due respect, I am going to continue ahead with this cycle because I believe I will be able to still achieve increased mass and lean muscle. I have done much research and have my diet and training sorted and will improve my PCT.

Cheers for your advice anyway - it is always helpful,

aj

 

[aj13]

Also to ThatBloke - Speaking to you, you told me you were the same weight as me, but younger when you started juicing? and you're looking amazing at the moment for your age?

 

[75th]

Cheers for your advice anyway - it is always helpful,

aj

Obviously not.

You have no business using steroids. At all. Your age alone should automatically disqualify you.

Anyone who condones your actions is an idiot.

 

[aj13]

I know you are probably gonna do it no matter what anyone says BUT if you are 154 pounds and your pic is recent I strongly urge you to NOT start a cycle soon... in additon you are only 23 years old which even though many on here will say its old enough, to me IT IS NOT. you should wait till you are 26+.

your hormones are still high at your age.

HOWEVER i know you are like so many other young guns that you are not gonna wait 3 more years SO if you are gonna jump now atleast take this advice:

I would like you to put on 15 pounds of muscle and hit the weight room hard for the next 6 weeks. 5X per week, no excuses. eat 2X your body weight in protein and eat like a horse otherwise, healthy food. not fast food crap.

then you can do the 10 weeks of cyp. you DONTneed anyting else for your first cycle.. and follow Nelsons advice on PCT, that is solid.

if you do not take this advice what is gonna happen is you will be DISSAPOINTED in your results cause you are not conditioned yet to juice. read other posts of these guys that get zero results from steroids, there are hundreds of them, just google... the main reason is they don't now how to lift, and dont know how to eat and what to eat. and also their bodies are not conditioned so even if they were to lift like they should they would spend the first weeks so sore that they would be able to workout only 2-3 times a week tops. how much do you bench now? at your weight you should be at 240 area, otherwise you are not ready yet. me thinks you probably bench 200 tops. am i right?

bro I PROMISE you with your lean body if you follow what I said above you will get some excellent and noticeable results..

Thanks stevesmi - if it makes any difference im a month off 24 anyway. I've got no problem with starting in 4 - 6 weeks anyway - Im not impatient and im looking for long term results anyway.

Cheers for the advice bro, you projected it without flaming

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks stevesmi - if it makes any difference im a month off 24 anyway. I've got no problem with starting in 4 - 6 weeks anyway - Im not impatient and im looking for long term results anyway.

Cheers for the advice bro, you projected it without flaming

no flaming allowed on this board or you PM a moderator and they will take care of it.

depends on what your goals are.. if you want to get stronger and put on mass then its different then having a boxers body

its true what RADAR said you have an excellent frame.. I would love to work with you rather then others that are 250 pounds and 6 feet with 20% bf.

i would set a 6 week goal on strength.. then when you reach that mark then you can start and that will push you higher. like on the bench press for me it was when i hit 245 and then wobbled at 235, 240 max. i knew that i was ready for the next step.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

FDA approved doesnt mean it cant cause brain damage

alot of anti depressents are ALL fda approved and have been proven to cause brain damage

hell alcohol is legal and causes HUGE amounts of brain damage

GHB has its approval for its reasons, but like anything it has its side effects

PLUS as most people should know, its heavily sold as a recreational drug, so almost all the time its never dosed correctly, and alot of times u get alot of other substances in it

I'm not saying it's not bad, let's just not get ridiculous though