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johnny g

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I recieved a fax today from a well known pro trainer of a bodybuilder whose been in the scene for awhile but recently turning some heads and has made some big time improvements. Anyhow, this is the cycle I was given:

500mg sustanon ED
800mg Deca /wk
60mg Dbol

10 week run.

thats 3500mg of test in my body over the course of a week. i am looking to win the show in June, but I dont want to kill myself. I would like to here some advice or take on this cycle. The most test I have taken a week was no more then 1200 mgs. I am alittle nervous and was considering doing about 1000mg less a week of Stallion s350. Let me know guys.
 
Wow, at first glance I missed that ED after the test. I thought it was WK.

Even 2,500 a week is a lot of test bro. Your body, your call. Keep us up to date and good luck.
 
A "pro" sent you a fax and recommended that cycle? How many cycles do you have under your belt? What are your stats now and what do you want to achieve. I would never tell anyone to use that much gear - that cycle is pure horseshit.
 
bump
 
that amount of test is uncalled for no way your receptors could use even half of it.
3500mg of test
800mg of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
420mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - a week


come on almost 5 grams of gear a week

this sounds almost like a fucking joke

is this a 10 week on 10 week off then jump back on cycle?
no hgh protocals?

this pro is prob into is 30+ cycle provided he has been bodybuilding for atleast 10 years


These pros on stage today most are in thier mid 30's and been shoting gear from the their late teens also been in the game for 10-15 years the muscle they have achived is so great that they need these high dosed runs to become freaks and push the envalope
 
hey man if you don't like the way your body looks suicide isn't the way to go...


jk man but for real stop and think....

the decision shouldn't be to complicated
 
justinjones1963 said:
A "pro" sent you a fax and recommended that cycle? How many cycles do you have under your belt? What are your stats now and what do you want to achieve. I would never tell anyone to use that much gear - that cycle is pure horseshit.
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I have a bit of cycle experience. Used Slin, etc... I know what I am doing. Yes a part of me says its sounds alittle out of control, a part of me wants to try an experiment. he recommended no more then 10 weeks and I feel like out of all the information I have gather up to this points, this cycle is to some point out of hand and maybe unnessary. Yea faxed. Sounds silly, lol but thats what happened. No reason for me to make up stories.

here is what I looked like two weeks b4 my june 3rd show:




Came in bottom of heavies, want to pack on another 15 lbs b4 June.
 
chazk said:
that amount of test is uncalled for no way your receptors could use even half of it.
3500mg of test
800mg of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
420mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - a week


come on almost 5 grams of gear a week

this sounds almost like a fucking joke

is this a 10 week on 10 week off then jump back on cycle?
no human growth hormone - somatropin - protocals?

this pro is prob into is 30+ cycle provided he has been bodybuilding for atleast 10 years


These pros on stage today most are in thier mid 30's and been shoting gear from the their late teens also been in the game for 10-15 years the muscle they have achived is so great that they need these high dosed runs to become freaks and push the envalope
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Agreed. I was going to cut those doseages i think and just add little more test then my usual 1000 - 1200 mg a week. Yes its 10 week run.
 
I've known guys who've done it. They ain't dead. Their prostates may be the size of a grapefruit but they ain't dead.

Yeah, there's no way you can use half that much. So for no other reason but economics it doesn't make sense.
 
johnny g said:
I am looking to win the show in June, but I dont want to kill myself.
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Take your own advice

Or hopefully they can put the trophy on top of the dialysis machine so you can look at it.
 
That's a bunch of bullshit.

Every single pro that I know and have interacted with has never EVER done anything remotely long those lines.

And for only ten weeks? Yeah.. that is great. You used a test with some fast esters in it and end it at the same time you end deca. Which means deca is still going to be active in your system for another four weeks or so. Bye bye dickie doo.

Now look at the cycle... yeah you will put on weight. Fucking water retention. That much test + deca (intramuscular fat gain) + dbol (more water), you will have the moon face from hell.
 
you could have a fucking heart attack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont go over 1200 a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! test is good for you but that much is bad.
 
You look pretty damn lean bro. Why not just up the calories for a few months? You'll grow. 4000 cals, BIG BLAST and a gram of Primmo? Holy balls I'd be jealous.

The body can only put on so much muscle no mater how jacked it is. You should know that. I know pros who say that anything too much over a gram a week yields no greater return so I don;t know who you're talking to. It isn't Dave is it? Nice guy. Insane though.

And as a funny aside, I'm on HR T -- 100 mgs a week. Sometimes my T goes over the baseline into 1000ngs. (Normal is around 300-900) That's as high as a humans T can go. That's 100mgs bro. Ten times that means 10,000ng of T. The body can not tolerate that. It will actually become weak attempting to rid itself of something it views as an invasion. Imagine 50x's that much ?!?!!?

You have a nice body. It'd be a shame if you got a stroke and couldn't do anything with it. Then imagine what a douchebag you'll feel like.
 
I have seen people post that they have done about that much. I think Needsize was taking 3g's at one point from what I remember. A guy I used to train with took 2g's a week for a little while and you could see him grow from day to day it seemed. I would also be willing to bet that no matter what any pro tells you, he's done more than that at one time or another. Probably not consistently and I think if you are still cycling, that is a ridiculous amount, but using it for a blast period at an elite level doesn't sound ridiculous to me.
 
Todays professionals are not coming in at 275 lbs shredded from anabolics anyways, it's peptides that are doing it. Peptides are causing actual increase in tissue and cell production allowing you to grow bigger than simply anabolics will allow for. I'd cut the test into about 1/2 that dose, and then run some GH and IGF-1 alongside it,
 
I have gone over 3 grams of test twice I think, no sides different than 1000mg a week, but no more growth either, for me, amounts dont matter, I dont grow anymore
 
needsize said:
I have gone over 3 grams of test twice I think, no sides different than 1000mg a week, but no more growth either, for me, amounts dont matter, I dont grow anymore
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At some point genetics step in, no matter what. There is a limit. And just as some people who have an affinity for growth naturally, some people have a greater affinity for gear. Those who have both become champions.
 
johnny g said:
Lol, well got my answer guys. Not gonna do it.

Ill Do
1200mg of test
600mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -
40mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for first 6
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Sounds much better. You do have a great body to start with. Good luck bro. We all wish you the best.

BTW, not to be a nanny but you do have some anti-e's and p c t's, right?
 
i am on 1300mg of test right now(500 sust ew) and (800mg t400 ew) right now and i definately think its a big difference from 800 intensity and gain wise but yes side affects and bloat is way worse
 
Nelson Montana said:
It isn't Dave is it? Nice guy. Insane though.
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is he the guy that said you should never waste a syringe, meaning that you should always shoot a full case? None of this 2cc stuff!
 
Nelson Montana said:
At some point genetics step in, no matter what. There is a limit. And just as some people who have an affinity for growth naturally, some people have a greater affinity for gear. Those who have both become champions.
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I have been saying this for a while, everyone has different genetic limits, how big you can get naturally, how big you can get on juice, how big you can get when you add gh and insulin...everyones limits are different, and everyone responds differently to gear
funny thing is, most of the best physiques I know are lazy bastards that barely even try, yet they respond so well to everything they eat 3x a day, run a few hundred mg of test, and blow up way past those of us that live this night and day
 
I don't think even Ronnie coleman take that much test per week. I got benign tummors in my liver taking 45mg of D.bol for 6 weeks. I can imagine your bp... you're asking for trouble bro.. keep your dosages moderate.... I don't want for u to get a stroke or something.. play it smart!
 
jeb0177 said:
I don't think even Ronnie coleman take that much test per week. I got benign tummors in my liver taking 45mg of D.bol for 6 weeks. I can imagine your bp... you're asking for trouble bro.. keep your dosages moderate.... I don't want for u to get a stroke or something.. play it smart!
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you are wrong if you think top competitors dont use way more gear than that....way wrong
 
jeb0177 said:
I don't think even Ronnie coleman take that much test per week. I got benign tummors in my liver taking 45mg of D.bol for 6 weeks. I can imagine your bp... you're asking for trouble bro.. keep your dosages moderate.... I don't want for u to get a stroke or something.. play it smart!
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?????????????
Really
?????????????
 
johnny g said:
thats 3500mg of test in my body over the course of a week. i am looking to win the show in June, but I dont want to kill myself. I would like to here some advice or take on this cycle. The most test I have taken a week was no more then 1200 mgs. I am alittle nervous and was considering doing about 1000mg less a week of Stallion s350. Let me know guys.
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I don't think that amount of gear is justified bro,even if you've ran over 20 cycles.running that much is bound to shut down your natural testosterone production to the extent that it would be a bitch to restart and might even become impossible...which is extremely bad news.

if your diet and training aren't in check it doesn't matter how much gear you run

whatever your choice best of luck to you bro:)
 
AAP said:
That's a bunch of bullshit.

Every single pro that I know and have interacted with has never EVER done anything remotely long those lines.
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I have to agree.
I have had the opportunity to get to know a lot of diet guru's etc over the years.
I have never seen anything close to that.
As a matter of a fact I have never seen any of them recomend over a gram of test.... EVER!
I have a diet for a Super Heavy with all the gear outlined. It is 1.8 grams per week of combined gear. The guy that is designed it is known for his outrageous cycles too.
I would not touch the one you have for a million bucks. You will be using more then every pro I have ever met!!!
 
I have been saying this for a while, everyone has different genetic limits
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you clearly haven't been paying attention to what EF's new breed of experts has to say on that subject. I learned from Published Authors that everyone is exactly the same genetically and only laziness and lack of dedication in the gym separate you from Ronnie.

Those supersized 5g+ cycles sound fun, but I hope anyone running them has a good powder source, or 2nd morgage :D
 
needsize said:
I have been saying this for a while, everyone has different genetic limits, how big you can get naturally, how big you can get on juice, how big you can get when you add gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and insulin...everyones limits are different, and everyone responds differently to gear
funny thing is, most of the best physiques I know are lazy bastards that barely even try, yet they respond so well to everything they eat 3x a day, run a few hundred mg of test, and blow up way past those of us that live this night and day
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Doesn't that just piss you off! I know it does me! I don't know if this is racist or not but my training partner is black, i'm white, and he can put on more mass and get more cut then me without even trying! Shitty diet, and not training hard at all! i told him it's in his genes being a black guy, and he got pissed, but fuck, it's true! :) :)
 
wwebound4life said:
Doesn't that just piss you off! I know it does me! I don't know if this is racist or not but my training partner is black, i'm white, and he can put on more mass and get more cut then me without even trying! Shitty diet, and not training hard at all! i told him it's in his genes being a black guy, and he got pissed, but fuck, it's true! :) :)
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I know a few guys like that...not all are black, but typically black guys have better athletic genetics, better than me anyway...lol...I am just jealous

tweakle, my bad, didnt mean to offend the new breed of experts, last thing I need to do is get into another pissing contest with someone like fonz
 
True about black guys, I think. But I used to know a white guy that was lean and muscular and looked like an amateur bodybuilder. Thing is, he hadn't worked out in 4 or 5 years and even back then he didn't lift weights seriously - he boxed. He also ate very little and was an alcoholic. Seriously.

Genetics matter.
 
johnny g said:
I recieved a fax today from a well known pro trainer of a bodybuilder whose been in the scene for awhile but recently turning some heads and has made some big time improvements. Anyhow, this is the cycle I was given:

500mg sustanon ED
800mg Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /wk
60mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

10 week run.

thats 3500mg of test in my body over the course of a week. i am looking to win the show in June, but I dont want to kill myself. I would like to here some advice or take on this cycle. The most test I have taken a week was no more then 1200 mgs. I am alittle nervous and was considering doing about 1000mg less a week of Stallion s350. Let me know guys.
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At the very least woudn't you work your way up to those doses?
 
theres a guy that works at this car wash by my house...he works with the mexicans buffing the cars when they come outta the carwash...hes looks like hes in his late 30's, prolly a drug addict, alchololic...but i can tellu this is shredded beyond belief and has a build 2...i mean maybe he does work out and eats rite but i seriously doubt it by lookin at him and wat he does for a living
 
airsmith2k said:
theres a guy that works at this car wash by my house...he works with the mexicans buffing the cars when they come outta the carwash...hes looks like hes in his late 30's, prolly a drug addict, alchololic...but i can tellu this is shredded beyond belief and has a build 2...i mean maybe he does work out and eats rite but i seriously doubt it by lookin at him and wat he does for a living
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Maybe he owns the car wash and he's just trying to motavate his workers.
 
mattdan said:
Sounds much better. You do have a great body to start with. Good luck bro. We all wish you the best.

BTW, not to be a nanny but you do have some anti-e's and p c t's, right?
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Yea I am covered in terms of ANti-E and PCT. I am gonna add some Igf-1/slin/ and or Growth if I can come across something that isn't ridicously expensive.
 
jaybois said:
At the very least woudn't you work your way up to those doses?
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Yea I wouldn't go from 1000mg cycle to 3500mg. I can't justify it. Way to crazy. I bumped doseages alittle higher then usual for this bulking cycle. Gonna add Slin and see where it takes me.
 
blacks were bread for performance, best of the best during slavery. Kind of like champion bloodline dogs, they breed the best of the best and get better, then breed them with better and get bigger and better, and so on and so forth. Keep in mind, slavery lasted well over 400 years total. So yeah, I believe there was something going on with their genes. On the other hand, I dont think it's predominant in just one particular race, look at Germans. They're genetically strong and big as fuck too.
 
instant.muscle said:
remember this is for pro's please do not take this for first cycle thinking its best for u lol
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?? lol, no offense never mentioned this being my first. I am not new to the game.
 
Nelson Montana said:
At some point genetics step in, no matter what. There is a limit. And just as some people who have an affinity for growth naturally, some people have a greater affinity for gear. Those who have both become champions.
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That's all true but what about peptides. They can make up for bad genetics to some extent. Genetics will always be king but peptides are going to help those with less than stellar genetics (or us white guys :) ).
 
needsize said:
I have been saying this for a while, everyone has different genetic limits, how big you can get naturally, how big you can get on juice, how big you can get when you add gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and insulin...everyones limits are different, and everyone responds differently to gear
funny thing is, most of the best physiques I know are lazy bastards that barely even try, yet they respond so well to everything they eat 3x a day, run a few hundred mg of test, and blow up way past those of us that live this night and day
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My old training partner is the perfect example. He trained hard but he ate like absolute shit and was still walking around about 5'10" 235 and shredded year round with 20 inch arms. He ate McDonalds and chinese food everyday and never gained an ounce of fat. No cardio ever. He's the only guy I've seen that can take insulin and still eat like shit and lose bodyfat.
 
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