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Good cycle for athletes???

Dragon14

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I am looking for some input on a good cycle for an athlete. No drug testing worries.

Strength much more important than size.

Something good for tendons and ligaments a plus.

Weight: 215

Need to keep weight about the same (or less). Can't get any heavier due to weight class restrictions.

Think boxer or kickboxer.

Thanks bros.

BTW: last cycle sus 250 only for 8 weeks - gained about 20 pounds - bad acne
 
Stay away from dbol. I am running it now and I can barely run sometimes,the shin pressure is too much. I seem to be out of breath alot easier now also. I am at week 4 of sust,eq dbol,anavar(just finished dbol,starting anavar)
 
Thanks for the input. Is an Anavar only cycle possible? If so what kind of doses would I be looking at (pyramid up?). I'll do my own research also, but if you guys have something you can add I'd appreciate it.
 
You could try an eq/anavar cycle and stick to a solid diet. That might help you ultimately replace fat mass with lean body mass and get stronger. You could even go with test/anavar, it really depends a lot on your diet (and training) to get what you want to achieve. You could do test/anavar with a slightly calorie-deficient diet and hope to accomplish the same result.
 
dragon14 said:
I am looking for some input on a good cycle for an athlete. No drug testing worries.

Strength much more important than size.

Something good for tendons and ligaments a plus.

Weight: 215

Need to keep weight about the same (or less). Can't get any heavier due to weight class restrictions.

Think boxer or kickboxer.

Thanks bros.

BTW: last cycle sus 250 only for 8 weeks - gained about 20 pounds - bad acne


A combination of Oxandrolone and HGH.

These substances are only an aid to obtaining your goals. You can expect an increase in strength, decrease in body fat, enhanced revcovery ability and strengthening of your connective tissues with these two drugs factored in to your overall program. Also, drug testing, if and when necessary, is easily delt with on these two substances. Your specific Anaerobic/Aerobic training and conditiong combined with nutrition and rest will be the ultimate determining factor in stimulating your body and providing it with the necessary nutrition and recovery time to obtain your results.

Here are a few studies on Oxandrolone and HGH to get you started:


Measures of Submaximal Aerobic Performance Evaluate and Predict Functional Response to Growth Hormone (GH) Treatment in GH-Deficient Adults1

Linda J. Woodhouse, Sylvia L. Asa, Scott G. Thomas and Shereen Ezzat
Departments of Physical Therapy, Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology, and Medicine, The University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario M5G 1X5, Canada

The impact of GH on functional performance in GH-deficient adults is not well understood. To investigate the effects of GH on skeletal muscle, physical, and functional capacity, we randomized 28 GH-deficient adults to receive 3 months of recombinant human GH [rhGH: somatotropin, 6.25 µg/kg lean body mass (LBM) for 1 month, 12.5 µg/kg LBM thereafter] in a double-blind placebo-controlled cross-over trial. We measured muscle fiber type, size, and insulin-like growth factor I messenger RNA, aerobic capacity [maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), ventilation threshold (VeT)], isokinetic strength, oxygen-cost-of-walking at normal and fast speeds, and fatigue determined by the profile of mood states questionnaire. As expected, GH treatment decreased body fat, increased LBM, increased muscle fiber size, and increased muscle insulin-like growth factor-I messenger RNA 5-fold; however, muscle strength remained unchanged. At baseline, VeT occurred at a high percentage of maximal VO2max (73.3% ± 2.6) because of low VO2max (1.74 ± 0.1 L/min or 20.7 ± 1.3 mL/kg·min). Walking required high oxygen consumptions representing from 83 ± 4% of VeT at normal speeds to 120 ± 5% of VeT at fast speeds. After rhGH, there was a significant (P = 0.03) increase in VeT (18%), compared with placebo. This was paralleled by a nonsignificant rise in VO2max. Functionally, rhGH treatment decreased the oxygen cost of walking, relative to VeT, at normal (14% decrease, P = 0.019) and fast (21% decrease, P = 0.004) SPW speeds. A 3-variable model (baseline fast SPW speed, VeT/VO2max, and VeT) accounted for 39% of the variance of change in self-reported fatigue. These data indicate that GH-deficient adults require a high fraction of VeT for daily activities, explaining the perception of increased fatigue and impaired physical performance. The actions of rhGH on muscle fiber size translate into physiological improvement in submaximal aerobic capacity and result in functional improvement in walking ability but do not necessarily alter strength. Thus, measures of effort-independent submaximal aerobic performance provide novel objective determinants of functional impairment and fatigue and can be used to evaluate and predict response to GH treatment.



Short-Term Oxandrolone Administration Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis in Young Men1

Melinda Sheffield-Moore, Randall J. Urban, Steven E. Wolf, J. Jiang, Don H. Catlin, David N. Herndon, Robert R. Wolfe and Arny A. Ferrando

Short term administration of testosterone stimulates net protein synthesis in healthy men. We investigated whether oxandrolone [Oxandrin (OX)], a synthetic analog of testosterone, would improve net muscle protein synthesis and transport of amino acids across the leg. Six healthy men [22 ± 1 (±SE) yr] were studied in the postabsorptive state before and after 5 days of oral OX (15 mg/day). Muscle protein synthesis and breakdown were determined by a three-compartment model using stable isotopic data obtained from femoral arterio-venous sampling and muscle biopsy. The precursor-product method was used to determine muscle protein fractional synthetic rates. Fractional breakdown rates were also directly calculated. Total messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) concentrations of skeletal muscle insulin-like growth factor I and androgen receptor (AR) were determined using RT-PCR. Model-derived muscle protein synthesis increased from 53.5 ± 3 to 68.3 ± 5 (mean ± SE) nmol/min·100 mL/leg (P < 0.05), whereas protein breakdown was unchanged. Inward transport of amino acids remained unchanged with OX, whereas outward transport decreased (P < 0.05). The fractional synthetic rate increased 44% (P < 0.05) after OX administration, with no change in fractional breakdown rate. Therefore, the net balance between synthesis and breakdown became more positive with both methodologies (P < 0.05) and was not different from zero. Further, RT-PCR showed that OX administration significantly increased mRNA concentrations of skeletal muscle AR without changing insulin-like growth factor I mRNA concentrations. We conclude that short term OX administration stimulated an increase in skeletal muscle protein synthesis and improved intracellular reutilization of amino acids. The mechanism for this stimulation may be related to an OX-induced increase in AR expression in skeletal muscle.
 
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i would say anavar or primo
 
I do not see where the study posted above addresses the question at hand. If you are an althlete will little possibility of drug testing, stick with the standard that everyone uses: Winny and Deca, this is the best combination known to man! You should see 15 to 25 lbs of mass, more definition and lots of endurance. I agree that GH only will increase your VO2 MAX, but GH is a HUGE cost! I would not recomend it for what you need. Test will put large amonts of mass on you, but take it from a guy with a BB in Kenpo and Go Ju Ru, you do not want lots of mass on the fighting circuit. Also, Test does NOTHING for your VO2 MAX. Hope this helps.
 
Take it from my experience. Stay away from test and dbol. Basically any drug that aromatizes is a nono. If you need to make weight you want something that will get you strong without putting on a lot of water or mass. Anavar works really well and if your diet is good you can lose some fat also while making very good strength gains and a little bit of lean body mass too.
 
tru_man777 said:
I do not see where the study posted above addresses the question at hand. If you are an althlete will little possibility of drug testing, stick with the standard that everyone uses: Winny and Deca, this is the best combination known to man! You should see 15 to 25 lbs of mass, more definition and lots of endurance. I agree that GH only will increase your VO2 MAX, but GH is a HUGE cost! I would not recomend it for what you need. Test will put large amonts of mass on you, but take it from a guy with a BB in Kenpo and Go Ju Ru, you do not want lots of mass on the fighting circuit. Also, Test does NOTHING for your VO2 MAX. Hope this helps.

Please take a look at some of his primary concerns that he listed:

Strength much more important than size.

Something good for tendons and ligaments a plus.

Weight: 215

Need to keep weight about the same (or less). Can't get any heavier due to weight class restrictions.
 
You will gain twice the mass on test that you will on Winny and Deca. If you train hard and keep cardio up, you can keep the wieght gain to a minimum. I gaurantee twice the mass and wieght gain on Oxandrolone than you will see on winny and deca.
 
tru_man777 said:
You will gain twice the mass on test that you will on Winny and Deca. If you train hard and keep cardio up, you can keep the wieght gain to a minimum. I gaurantee twice the mass and wieght gain on Oxandrolone than you will see on winny and deca.

I will try to address the reason for my recomendation of Oxandrolone applied to his question and objectives.

The primary increase of strength through Oxandrolone is through stimulation and formation of phosphocreatine, a compound in the body which can replenish ATP (adenosine tri-phosphate - main form of energy applied in humans). ATP provides the performance increase for explosive short term anaerobic exercise which is also why Creatine has become so popular due to it's abilities to replenish ATP. CP (creatine phosphate) + ADP (adenosine di-phospate) = ATP (andenosine tri-phosphate).

The androgenic stimulation provided with testosterone is far greater but comes with additional risks such as aromatization to Estrogen and DHT as well as a considerable ammount of surpression to the HTPA. This is more of a secondary action of Oxandrolone's affectiveness applied to strenghth and may also provide a theory as to why Oxandrolone users report less androgenic sides effects such as DHT and acne which are far more common amongst Winstrol users. The severity of the side effects will ultimately depend on the users genetic perdisposition. The positive effects and benefits of Decca can not be argued. But the possible side effects such as increased levels of Prolactin and water retention can. Prolactin is the primary reason Decca users typically report HTPA surpression and a decrease in libido.

Taking a look at the factors presented above, Oxandrolone would make sense due to the mechanisms through which it increases strength, lipid oxidation, does not convert to Estrogen, has no effect on Prolactin and a minimal impact on HTPA surpression. Typical effective dosages range from 20 mgs to 40 mgs per day.

If he is perfectly aware of the associated risks and ancilliaries used to control or prevent them, then a possible combination of 20-40 mgs of Anavar per day for strength combined with a low dosage of 50-100 mgs of Decca per week for his joints might be the best alternative while still minimizing side effects and HTPA surpression.

I believe Equipose was mentioned as well in this thread. Might no be a bad idea to add in a low dosage due to it's ability to increase Hematocrit levels which are the single most important measure of oxygen in our blood. Hematocrit is the volume of red blood cells as a percentage of total blood volume.

HGH does not only have an impact on V02 Max. Read more about it you will find that the benefits are more than worthwhile if you can afford it. Also, the last time I checked, an increase in V02 Max is something that is important to most performance athletes. I would go into details but this post is already getting pretty long and you can readily search for that information on the net. It was simply a recomendation and I will agree that the money can be saved or be applied elsewhere. For now, he might just want to read more about it and primarily use it during periods of injury for accelerated recovery.

I don't want to waste any unecessary space so PM me if you want another study/reference in regards to this discussion.

Jenetic
 
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Var works great I used it for boxing and loved the results. Great strength gains with out putting on weight. Used to do 25mg for 6 weeks before my bout.
 
dragon14 said:
Think boxer or kickboxer.

I didn't notice that at first. Are you a fighter? Halotestin would be a perfect explosive androgenic boost for a short duration of time pre-contest. No additional increase in weight combined with immediate strength increase and aggression. The sides effects can be very harsh (liver toxicity, acne and hair loss). Hence the reccomendation for a short duration. Risks versus reward must be considered.
 
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Jenetic said:
and may also provide a theory as to why Oxandrolone users report less androgenic sides effects such as DHT and acne which are far more common amongst Winstrol users.

Correction. I meant DHT releated side effects such as hairloss and acne.
 
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Thanks for all the info bros.

I am training for a fight right now at a lower weight class. If I went heavyweight I could use the deca/winny combo... but I'm actually losing weight at this time on purpose. My concern is that my weight loss is affecting my strength. Also, due to the volume of training my muscles and joints are getting taxed. Also due to the training, my legs are gaining in size (and presumably, weight), so even though I'm losing fat my weight is only slowly lowering.

I would look into a cutting agent, but my goal is not to be shredded for contest/looks purposes.

To sum it up: I'm losing weight (which is good) and strength (which is bad). I could afford to lose more fat, which I'm doing through diet, but as I lose weight in general I feel my strength waining a bit. Fighting in a heavier weight class is not really an option at this time.
 
dragon14 said:
TTT 4 more input

Anavar--keepable gains, strength

Deca will give you bloat and lots of mass -not good for speed.


RADAR
 
Question....If winny is hard on your joints, why do som many athletes use it? :confused: A few MMA fighters have benn caught using it over the past couple of years...
 
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