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RippedRule

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I know this is the wrong thread, but I'm looking for some quick responses. First of all, I'm 6'1" 185lbs - I'm somewhat of a hardgainer and have the WORST time developing my chest. I typically keep reps low, which gives me the best results. Anyone have a chest workout they recommend?

Seriously, I have wide ass shoulders which makes my situation more difficult because I have so much to fill in. My abs are thick....My arms blow up, but I look a bit out of proportion from having no chest...
 
RippedRule said:
I know this is the wrong thread, but I'm looking for some quick responses. First of all, I'm 6'1" 185lbs - I'm somewhat of a hardgainer and have the WORST time developing my chest. I typically keep reps low, which gives me the best results. Anyone have a chest workout they recommend?

Seriously, I have wide ass shoulders which makes my situation more difficult because I have so much to fill in. My abs are thick....My arms blow up, but I look a bit out of proportion from having no chest...
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I wish I could help but i have somewhat of the same problem.
 
It's ridiculous.... i can actually bench a decent amount, but it grows sooo SLOW....and after the pump is gone its pathetic.
 
Wide shoulders = potential HUGE chest

Biggest tip I could give you is to so 2 fly movements in your chest workouts all the time, and make those the corner stone of your chest routine
 
I agree with omega here, add some flys. I have the same problem and I added flat DB flys and machine flys to my chest routine and I find it is helping shape my chest good. Now if I could just get my right pec up to the same size as my left I would have a great chest.
 
OMEGA said:
Wide shoulders = potential HUGE chest

Biggest tip I could give you is to so 2 fly movements in your chest workouts all the time, and make those the corner stone of your chest routine
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I have recently incorperated 2, chest feels somewhat fuller. Time will tell.
 
Ok, so what do your chest workouts look like?

As for bench, do you guys do flat, incline, and decline - or is this necessary?

Also, my weakest point would be the upper-inner...would machine flies and close grip bench probably be the best for this area?
 
ive seen good results using this

Incline barbell bench 1 warmup set 4 sets
Flat dumbell x4 sets
Incline or flat fly's x4 sets
Decline bench x4 sets

In that order, all of the last sets are done to failure. Reps range between 6 and 12 depeding on the weight.
 
benching with the straight bar puts my wrist in a unnatural position at the top becuase the arms do not come into the center of the chest to finish the full range of movment.

i used to do heavey flat bench got ok chest development but noticed the triceps were doing most the work....

in bodybuilding total weight lifted does not always equal bigger muscles.I switched over to flat dumbell press going through a deeper range of motion and could fully contact the chest at the top of the lift as the dumbells closed together..

as omega and other said dumbell flys can really help..flies put all the stress on the the chest (when done correct) problem is many people do them incorrect and use to mugh weight and end up use bicep and forarm to much.
you need the arms to keep the dumbells stable during the flies but you must think of the arms as slightly bent and keeping um that way untill the dumbells collide together above the chest...

cable cross overs when done correct are a excellent way to build chest development crossing over at the end allows to you flex the chest through the range of motion even further then dumbells can....

flat bench = good for base and strenght so keep doing um
but add flies in their and cable cross overs..

hsome gym guys refer to them as " pussy excersizes" but its usually the guys with the worst development that just sit around all day care about " total pounds " moved like maxing out on bench

a great work out for me is flat dumbells presses, then flat dumbells flies, incline dumbelll press then 2 sets of incline flies
I save lower chest to be done on tricep day by hitting it later that week with deep dips...

rember bodybuilding also includes sculpting, dont try using heavey weights like you do on compound movments with isolation excersizes if you do other muscles will be involved and defeat the whole purpose...

good luck ..bro
 
chazk -

Thanks for the good advice...i think i'm going to give your workout a shot...at times dumbell incline will give me a pain in my inner shoulder so I may change that last set of flies. I'll let ya know how it works. Thanks again..
 
Inhibitor13 said:
I have recently incorperated 2, chest feels somewhat fuller. Time will tell.
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do NOT focus on Stretch

FOCUS ON CONTRACTION that includes presses

You need to nail out the shape of the chest by squeezing it into existence.


Ergogenic aid such as stims and Creatine also help with mind muscle connection on those chest days
 
It took 10 years but I found what I feel is the most complete workout for my chest.

1) I start off with Barbell Inclines. I put a boatload of weight on it, use it to really get the blood going. I'll usually do 3 sets of 6-8 reps after I warm up. By the time that's done, I have a lot of blood in there and feel pumped. But the key is starting off heavy.

2) Dumbell Flat Presses. Again I'll go heavy, but I'll aim for 10 reps this time around. 3 to 4 sets.

3) Incline Dumbell Presses. I'll adjust the bench to a little different angle than the barbell presses. Works the fibers a little differently. But at this point you've really taxed the fibers with heavy weight. The key to getting the muscles bigger after you've built your strength and gotten the pump that day is reps to get more blood in there. I'll drop down to 70 or 75lb bells and do 3 sets of 15 reps with short 30 second breaks.

4) Cable cross overs. 2-3 sets of a decent weight and do 12-15 reps.

I think the key to chest is go extremely heavy early with the incline. Nothing is going to rip up the fibers in your chest and make them bigger than the incline. Continue that with the flat bench. Then pump the blood in there for 10 minutes with high reps.

Chest has so many fibers and the fan shape, that you really have to give it 12-15 sets to hit everything as hard as it needs to be hit.
 
RippedRule said:
chazk -

Thanks for the good advice...i think i'm going to give your workout a shot...at times dumbell incline will give me a pain in my inner shoulder so I may change that last set of flies. I'll let ya know how it works. Thanks again..
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Try to do flyes before the presses. This will exhaust the chest then when doing presses your chest will get a better pump. IMO and experience. I have the best chest work outs when i do this then do 4 sets of drop sets. I start out with a plate then a 4 ten pounds on each side. I do a set to four get up take a ten off of each side then do another 4-6, then take off a ten and repeat. no rest between removing tens. My chest feels huge after this.
 
errn247 said:
Try to do flyes before the presses. This will exhaust the chest then when doing presses your chest will get a better pump. IMO and experience. I have the best chest work outs when i do this then do 4 sets of drop sets. I start out with a plate then a 4 ten pounds on each side. I do a set to four get up take a ten off of each side then do another 4-6, then take off a ten and repeat. no rest between removing tens. My chest feels huge after this.
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I disagree. I think that if you do your isolation exercises before your compound lifts you are only ripping yourself off. I mean that since your chest is already tired, you limit the potential of it's work, and the triceps begin to compensate for the lack of strength you have leftover in your pecs.
 
Pikaberdot said:
I disagree. I think that if you do your isolation exercises before your compound lifts you are only ripping yourself off. I mean that since your chest is already tired, you limit the potential of it's work, and the triceps begin to compensate for the lack of strength you have leftover in your pecs.
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i agree, flys should come after presses. i used to do bench pyramids and flys, they got me fairly big in HS. now i use dumbells and switch up different angles and grips every other workout. i avoid flys and machines most of the time. flys are nice, but with my shoulder problems it stretches the front too much and risks re-injury for me.
 
Swat the damned flies and integrate some real techniques to help your chest grow:


The Metal Militia Training Style
By: Sebastian Burns

There have been many questions and some misinformation about our style of training. I will set the record straight about the way we train and why. This method has led many lifters to new PRs never thought possible. There have been many times where lifters will set 30 to 50lb PRs in their first workout with us and almost always these lifters will take some info home with them and continue to set PRs week after week. We have invited and traveled to train with hundreds of lifters over the years and 99% of them will hit a PR in their first workout with us. Obviously I will not be able to provide hands on attention with this article but I will lay out our workout plan.

We train the bench 2 days per week one day is for low-end raw strength and the other is for top end and shirt practice. Our workouts fall on Tuesday and Saturday.
Tuesday is for Raw and Saturday is assistance and shirt day.


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Tuesday
Raw bench: Grip (Index Finger On Ring)
We work our way up to a 3 Rep Max (3RM). If we get all 3 reps we will go up 10lbs and try another 3 reps. If we don't get 3 we may stop there or go down for a 5 RM Next week we will attempt the 3RM again and go up 10 lbs etc.Total sets = 5 to 8.

Decline: Grip (Pinky Finger On Ring)
For decline we work up to a 5RM with all sets done for 5 reps.Total sets = 5
The more you arch on the bench press the more valuable the decline will be.

4,3,2,1 Boards: Grip (Pinky Finger On Ring)
We usually work up to a 3RM on the 4 board then we may go for 1RM on the next boards depending on energy levels and soreness from the previous workout.Total sets range from 8 to as many as 15.
Total sets on this day range from 15 to 30.

Other exercises that can be done on this day:
Incline: 4 Sets 5 to 1 Reps.
Rope Extensions: 2 Sets 20 to 40 Reps.
Pulldowns: 4 Sets 10 Reps.
Shrugs: 4 Sets 10 Reps.


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Saturday
Close Grip Bench: Grip (Pinky Finger On Ring)
This exercise is used as a warm up and we use the same progression as raw bench for the sets except we don't go back down for a 5RM.

Shirt Bench: Grip (Index Finger On Ring)
We will put our shirt on here if the meet is within 4 weeks or so. If the meet is farther away we will do our shirt work at the end before Rack work. Everyone usually starts off with their shirt where they left off with the close grip bench. Starting with 3 to 5 reps in the first few sets to get into a grove of the shirt. Then onto a few doubles then some singles. If the singles don't go well or if there is problems touching or with your groove then we will go right back to the beginning and work all the way back up again trying harder to get everything right. Sets here could range from 5 to 10 to even 20 or more depending on how everything goes. If you don't get it right you must work back through until you get it right.

6,5,4, Boards: Grip (Pinky Finger On Ring)
We will usually try to max on all of these boards and sometimes work through the same board twice if the groove does not feel right or we miss our goal weight on a certain board. Again sets could be very high if things don't go right or if more work is needed in a certain area. The 4 board is optional on this day depending if you did it on Tuesday or not.

Rack Lockouts: Grip (Pinky Finger On Ring)
We work our way up to a 3RM using 3 reps for all sets. These are done at the end of the workout when you are tired and want to go home but if you stay and do them you will have great finishing power needed to lockout heavy weight. Total sets range from 6 to 10.

Other exercises that can be done on this day:
Tricep Pushdowns: 3 Sets 10 Reps.
Rope Extensions: 2 Sets 20 to 40 reps.
Pulldowns: 4 Sets 10 Reps.
Shrugs: 4 Sets 10 Reps.

As you can see there is much more volume done on sat then on Tuesday and nothing is set in stone. The workouts are dictated by the way we feel and where we feel we need the most work to produce improvement.


http://www.metalmilitia.net/articles.htm
 
The following will help you with your bench form:

Setting up for Competition Bench Pressing
By: Sebastian Burns

When most people set up for the bench they usually don't think that what they are doing is the most important part of the lift. They are focused on the weight and maybe the excitement of the meet or training session. What they don't know is that the game is won or lost in the setup. I don't think that many local gym rats even think about it at all. Judging by most of what I have seen working in the gym business for 15 odd years most people just lay down and push the bar up in whatever way possible. This is fine if you are a flat back benchin gym rat, but when you are looking to do some damage to the state, national, or world record books you will need to pay more attention to your setup. I have personally seen lifters add 50 to 100lbs to their bench in one or two training sessions just by improving their setup. That's right, 50 to 100lbs!! Most lifters would say only a bench shirt could cause an increase like that. Well I will try to convey in writing the proper way to set up your bench press so you to can enjoy an increase like that.

Lets start with feet position your feet should be spread wide. A good rule of thumb here is to always spread your feet a little wider than you think they should be. If you keep that in your head over time you will be able to get them pretty wide if you are not flexible enough to do so in the beginning .Now lets look at foot placement. The way we will do this is to look at the foot in relation to the knee. The feet should be tucked behind your knee more towards your head and the angle of your leg from a side view should look like this (<). There is a few reasons for this foot placement the first being the ability to drive hard from your legs without your ass coming up off the bench. The second is stability. The wide stance will provide the base needed to steer heavy weight with a bench shirt on. The actual way you place your feet is also important. We have found that it is best to put the full force of your push onto the balls of your feet but at the same time pressing the heel to the floor. Pushing the heel to the floor can be used as a fine adjustment knob for getting weight to touch your chest with your shirt on. When you push your heel down this will cause your stomach to rise and will allow the bar to touch.

Now lets move beyond the feet to the hip joint. It is here that we create the angle of the upper leg (<) we are looking for to get the feet in the proper position. This is accomplished by flexing your gluteus as much as possible and rotating your crotch towards the bench (Balls to the bench if you will). If you follow all the steps up till here we have solved the problems of getting max stability with max leg drive without raising your ass off the bench. For most lifters this would seem impossible but with some time and a lot of effort you will get the position right. If your ass is still coming off the bench then your feet will have to go wider or farther back or both.

Next is the lower back, obviously this will determine most of your arch and you will need to really push yourself to get your arch up if you are not flexible enough to do so already. I cannot say enough how important it is that you try really hard to get better at arching it is almost the biggest piece of the shirt bench puzzle. There is a few ways I have seen over the years to try to help you arch, everything from placing various balls and boards under your back to crazy stretching exercises. My opinion here is that if you think it works then try it. I personally have never used anything except trying to arch higher and higher every single set and I have been told that my arch is one of the best save for a few girls who can just bend in half.

Now lets move to arching the upper back. Most people think that only the lower back arches but this is not so and this is very important if you want to get the most out of your shirt, this is accomplished by putting your upper trap on the bench and pushing your chest out as far as possible. To see what I am saying sit up straight in a chair and place your finger on the highest point on your trap you will see that this is not behind you but rather on top. This is what you are trying to get on the bench.

Now that we have made it this far lets talk about the final piece and perhaps the most important. Shoulder blade retraction the best way to explain this is to stand straight up and put your arms up like you are about to bench. Now have someone put his or her finger in the middle of your upper back on your spine. Pull your shoulders together and try to squeeze that persons finger notice your bench stroke will shorten a few inches from doing this. This will also aid in touching weight with a tight shirt on. The reason for it in the setup will be to hold your shirt in place while you are arching.

Now that we have broken down each area of the proper setup lets put it all together into one motion because it must become one fluid motion that does not require lots of valuable energy needed for the lift.
Start by sitting on the end of the bench retracting your shoulder blades keeping your shirt where you have placed it for the lift. Lying back on the bench and grabbing the bar with an underhand grip, next move your head and upper body thru the bench towards your handoff spotter while holding yourself up with your underhand grip. Shoulders still retracted, pull your feet back farther than where you would normally place them, almost where they are touching the cross member of the bench. Keep them there and start moving your body back toward the front of the bench without moving your feet. Once you feel a great stretch in your hipflexors. Anchor your hips to the bench and start rotating your crotch downward toward the bench. Your feet still remain in the extremely flexed position at this time. Shoulders still together chest and stomach pushed up real high, this is where you must focus on the upper back arch. You can also use your head to hold your upper back off the bench while you are trying to get the upper trap on the bench. When you feel you have enough of an arch to put your traps down, slam them down hard and dig in. All the time be aware of your shirt and arm position. Keep pushing your ass and your traps closer together using your feet at one end and pushing into the arch with your hands on the bar with the other. The whole time you are doing this you will need to be aware of your bench shirt and the position of your arms, I cannot stress this enough. Now that you are in position slide your feet forward (not too far) until you can get a solid base on the balls of your feet now push your heels to the floor. If you can do so easily you went too far. It should be hard to get them to touch the floor .Now without moving your shirt turn your hands around push together a little more take a deep breath and take the weight.

I hope you will incorporate some or all of these things into your bench setup.
 
hard gainers chest workout:

5 sets flat bench- 15 12 10 10 6
4 sets incine dumbell 10 10 8 8
3 sets flat dumbell flies 10 10 10
4 sets pec dec 10 10 10 10
2 cable cross overs 10 10


if you dont grow from this you never will.
its all about the pump and feeding the muscle
 
depotrone said:
hard gainers chest workout:

5 sets flat bench- 15 12 10 10 6
4 sets incine dumbell 10 10 8 8
3 sets flat dumbell flies 10 10 10
4 sets pec dec 10 10 10 10
2 cable cross overs 10 10


if you dont grow from this you never will.
its all about the pump and feeding the muscle
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Flex Magazine called, they'd like their monthly chest routine back. :D
 
Westside's conjugated periodization is another good technique:


Wednesday’s workout is designed to increase the maximal strength of the bench press. The same max effort is used as on Monday, but the exercises are now geared toward bench pressing. Some of these exercises include:

Bench Press: The bench press should be performed with the shoulder blades pulled together and driven into the bench. The elbows should be in a tucked position. The bar should hit you in the lower chest area. The bar must be pushed in a straight line, not back over the face.

Board Press: This is a special max effort exercise designed to help strengthen the lockout of the bench press. It is also very effective in increasing triceps strength. This exercise is performed exactly the same as the bench press except you pause the barbell on a board that is placed on your chest. The boards for this workout will be two, 2 by 4 boards about 12 inches in length. Make sure to pause the barbell on the boards before the ascent



Close-Grip Board Press: This max effort exercise is performed the same as the board press, except your grip will be closer. It is recommended to place one or two fingers on the smooth part of the bar.

Close Grip Incline Press: This is a max effort exercise designed to isolate the upper middle regions of the pectoral minor as well as the triceps. To begin this exercise, lay with your back on an incline bench and grasp the bar with one or two fingers on the smooth part of the bar. Unrack the weight so the arms are fully extended. Lower the barbell with your elbows in a tucked position to the upper chest region. Press the bar back to the starting position.

Floor Press: This is a special max effort exercise designed to help strengthen the midpoint of the bench press. It is also very effective in increasing triceps strength. This exercise is performed exactly the same as the bench press except you lay on the ground instead of a bench. Make sure to pause in the bottom of the movement before the ascent. This exercise has been used with much success at Westside Barbell Club for the past seven years.

The second exercise on Wednesday’s workout is always for the triceps. The triceps are, without a doubt, the most important muscle for bench pressing. The exercises of choice are laying extensions and presses. Save the pushdowns and overhead extensions for pre/rehabilitation work or the beach. Once again, the sets and reps are up to you.

The third movement is for the lats. Against popular belief, if the bar gets stuck on your chest or right off it by 2 or 3 inches, it is your lats holding you back, not your chest. The primary responsibility of the chest muscles is arm adduction, or pulling you arm across your body. This is why the pec deck and crossovers work so well to isolate the chest. Most all pressing is performed by triceps extension and shoulder rotation. Shoulder rotation is the result or the implementation of the muscles of the upper back, known as the rotator cuff muscles. These muscles together with the lats act to stabilize and move the bar through the proper groove, which happens to be a straight line, not a "J" (pushing back toward the rack), as advocated by many. What is the shortest distance between two points, a straight line or a J? The best exercise for the lats are those that work on a horizontal plane. We all bench on a horizontal plane so the lats should be trained the same way. These exercises include any type of rows such as dumbbell rows, barbell rows, and chest-supported rows. After the lats, finish up with some light shoulder work and get out of the gym!

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Friday’s workout is designed to increase the explosive strength of the squat. This is performed with the utilization of the Dynamic Effort Method. The Dynamic Effort method is simply defined as training with sub-maximal weights in an explosive fashion. This style of training will teach the central nervous system to explode through sticking points. Sticking points are also known as "min-maxes" because this is usually the point where failure sets in and the barbell stops. What we try to achieve with this method is to blast trough the sticking point. You can always knock someone back further with a running start. There is more force generated through acceleration. More acceleration equals more force and therefore, no sticking point! The box squat is always trained on this day using 8 sets of 2 reps with a four-week wave starting with 60% and waving up to 70%. This most important aspect of this movement is the barbell speed, not the percent being used. Start with 60 percent and increase over a four-week period. Increase the weight each week as long as you can maintain the same barbell speed you had with 60%.After the Dynamic effort box squats, follow the same guidelines for supplemental work as on Mondays.

The Sunday workout is for the development of explosive and dynamic bench press strength. Use the same dynamic methods described in the Friday workout. The bench press is trained with 8 sets of 3 reps using aprox 50% of your one-rep max. We also use three different grips when training the bench press and all of them are within the rings.

After the Dynamic Effort bench, follow the same guidelines for supplemental work as on Wednesdays.

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Sunday: Dynamic Effort Bench Day

Format:

Bench Press: 8 sets of 3 reps using the Dynamic Effort Method.

Supplemental Exercise: Triceps: lying extensions or presses: Sets and reps are up to the lifter.

Accessory Exercise: Lats: any type of rows.

Accessory Exercise: Shoulders and extra triceps.


http://www.extremefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-570.html
 
Hit incline, incline and more incline.
Dumbells, barbells and flyes. Try some cables from time to time too.
Top to bottom and bottom to top cable flyes.
 
It's interesting to me that so many people are recommending inclines for chest development. I'm not huge in the chest department (as you can see from my avatar) but I tend to be shoulder dominant on the flat bench. Going to an incline only makes this worse.

It isn't until I get a good arch in my back on the flat bench or bench on a 20 degree decline that I feel a pump in my pecs.
 
nydj66 said:
It's interesting to me that so many people are recommending inclines for chest development. I'm not huge in the chest department (as you can see from my avatar) but I tend to be shoulder dominant on the flat bench. Going to an incline only makes this worse.

It isn't until I get a good arch in my back on the flat bench or bench on a 20 degree decline that I feel a pump in my pecs.
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Ya I would definitely say decline is going to target chest better than incline.
 
nydj66 said:
It's interesting to me that so many people are recommending inclines for chest development. I'm not huge in the chest department (as you can see from my avatar) but I tend to be shoulder dominant on the flat bench. Going to an incline only makes this worse.

It isn't until I get a good arch in my back on the flat bench or bench on a 20 degree decline that I feel a pump in my pecs.
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your rasing the bench to high for inclines you need to go right in the middle between falt and high inclines
play around with your bench untill you find the right height to high and I;m using shoulder also .. I go two click above flat and it works great ...not as high as most guys but really hits the upper chest fibers
 
my chest gets a better pump and I tend to get a little more sore when doing flyes first.
 
OMEGA said:
geigh
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Agreed. I prefer chains or bands, too. :D

Seriously, though, I tend to think that a lot of people focus on smaller exercises or isolation movements when they haven't sufficiently trained their primary lifts. DB flys are great for guys that already have heaps of muscle and a low enough BF to worry about bringing out some striations or tie-ins... but for normal people with BF>6%, you're just playing with the dumbells, not pumping fucking iron. Flys, inclines, dips, cable xovers... c'mon, you pansies! These are all excuses to avoid doing the hardest and heaviest chest exercises. Focus on variations of the bench that enable you to lift more than normal flat benching, not less.

I don't know how the hell anyone can put on mass doing flys and cable xovers. Base your chest day off of 25-30 sets of heavy presses (with a barbell... dumbells only serve to mount the bands used to make heavy exercises even heavier). Do your isolation crap after that. A good workout should take a couple hours depending on time between sets.

If you want a chest, you need to push your pecs as far as humanly possible. Isolation movements don't do this.

HTH
 
I agree that most incline benches are inclined to high to really be good for a chest workout.

chazk said:
your rasing the bench to high for inclines you need to go right in the middle between falt and high inclines
play around with your bench untill you find the right height to high and I;m using shoulder also .. I go two click above flat and it works great ...not as high as most guys but really hits the upper chest fibers
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i LOVE READING ABOUT THE HARDGAINERS CHEST WORKOUTS..

IT MAKES ME LAUGH..

How about trying something as simple as a few sets of Heavy Incline presses. Barbell, dumbbell, Hammer strength. Whatever is best. Keep the weight moving up throughout the sets.

Finish it off with some weighted dips.. Go real low and get a god stretch...


I believe that the best exercises for chest developement are Incline, Dips and some flys. This way you hit a compound movement, a stretch movement and an isolation movement all in the same workout.
 
I think for most people chest takes quite a long time to develop. Usually longer than the rest of the body. You really need to hit it hard, try diferent routines and find the best for you since everyone is different. I agree with most of the brothers here; in my case, after years of trial and error, I discovered that old skewl movements are the best for me. Heavy flyes at the beginning, flat bench press, dips. Then you have incline presses, cables, declined presses and flyes
 
RippedRule said:
I know this is the wrong thread, but I'm looking for some quick responses. First of all, I'm 6'1" 185lbs - I'm somewhat of a hardgainer and have the WORST time developing my chest. I typically keep reps low, which gives me the best results. Anyone have a chest workout they recommend?

Seriously, I have wide ass shoulders which makes my situation more difficult because I have so much to fill in. My abs are thick....My arms blow up, but I look a bit out of proportion from having no chest...
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Make sure you're hitting the incline hard, i never noticed thickness til i finally started fuckin w angles.
 
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