Going back on!

[markimacm]

Hey! Coming on 16 weeks or approx 4 months of being OFF cycle. During off cycle I have done my usual PCT (HCG/Unleashed/PostCycle/ then even did Phytoserms-347 (still on haven't finished 30 day supply bottle just yet). Anyway my stats are:

33 y.o. (been on and off gear since 29)

6 ft. 1"

233 pounds (genes and genetics have me as a very BULKY type of body type my whole life so I'm not thin or fitness model status). I would love to be 220 (off cycle) but dieting, exercising etc. just does not allow my body to lose body fat. I'm not obese but not a thin fitness model. More like a bull dog type.

I want to go on another cycle this time to gain lots of strength, not gain body bloat (because I'm already a large guy) and possibly slim down somehow. Would love more definition than bloat. Please help outline a proper cycle and cycle duration. Your help is appreciated.

 

[NegroPops]

1-16 Test Sustanon 500 mg/week
1-15 Equipoise 600 mg/week
14-18 Winstrol 50 mg/day

GW-501516 - 10 mg/day (4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, through cycle.)

 

[markimacm]

1-16 Test Sustanon 500 mg/week
1-15 Equipoise 600 mg/week
14-18 Winstrol 50 mg/day

GW-501516 - 10 mg/day (4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, through cycle.)

Thanks brother, I thought of doing Sust/EQ/Winny but never tried winny before and always heard it was a waste! As for the GW-501516 I heard this wasn't to healthy and can lead to cancer very easily. i read up on this a while back but never knew any1 who actually used it... Thoughts on my concerns?

 

[NegroPops]

certain steroids effect people differently.. some may think winny is a waste. I personally think it is great, especially when cutting. An excellent way to help cap off a cycle.

As far as GW and cancer goes.. I remember reading a study about it possibly causing cancer, but those were with extremely high doses up to 200 mg a day. But, that is all I really know about that subject. I am currently on my second go with GW at 20 mg a day. No tumors that I can report at the moment..

 

[Jbranken]

Pretty much very bro on this forum has used gw at least once and some on multiple occasions. The studies were of doses 100-1000 times the recommended dose. I don't think it's a threatening drug

 

[markimacm]

certain steroids effect people differently.. some may think winny is a waste. I personally think it is great, especially when cutting. An excellent way to help cap off a cycle.

As far as GW and cancer goes.. I remember reading a study about it possibly causing cancer, but those were with extremely high doses up to 200 mg a day. But, that is all I really know about that subject. I am currently on my second go with GW at 20 mg a day. No tumors that I can report at the moment..

What about implementing PCT into the above outlined cycle (minus the GW)? Forma while on? HCGenerate while on? If so what weeks in cycle to start that?

 

[NegroPops]

PCT:
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma Stanzol
Unleashed/Post Cycle
DAA

Something along those lines

you could use HCGenerate on cycle to help your balls stay active, start that a couple weeks in. Then use HCG the last few weeks.

For an AI on cycle, go with either Aromasin 12.5 mg ED or EOD depending on needs, or Armidex .5 mg ED or EOD.

 

[markimacm]

PCT:
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma Stanzol
Unleashed/Post Cycle
DAA

Something along those lines

you could use HCGenerate on cycle to help your balls stay active, start that a couple weeks in. Then use HCG the last few weeks.

For an AI on cycle, go with either Aromasin 12.5 mg ED or EOD depending on needs, or Armidex .5 mg ED or EOD.

Aromasin or Arimidex, I have both on hand actually now. Any benefit of which one? One over the other? Also with the AI is that from day 1 til the last day on cycle? or mid cycle to end of cycle?

 

[NegroPops]

That all depends on the person. Some people don't use an AI at all because they have no estro sides. Others, like me, start taking them from the beginning just to make sure there are no sides. Aromasin is stronger than armidex, but has a shorter half life. But either work just fine. I personally use Aromasin 12.5 mg ED because of this.

 

[markimacm]

Thanks brother, I thought of doing Sust/EQ/Winny but never tried winny before and always heard it was a waste! As for the GW-501516 I heard this wasn't to healthy and can lead to cancer very easily. i read up on this a while back but never knew any1 who actually used it... Thoughts on my concerns?

Hey what do you thing about Enanthate VS. Sust and EQ for the outlined cycle??

 

[markimacm]

That all depends on the person. Some people don't use an AI at all because they have no estro sides. Others, like me, start taking them from the beginning just to make sure there are no sides. Aromasin is stronger than armidex, but has a shorter half life. But either work just fine. I personally use Aromasin 12.5 mg ED because of this.

What do you think about Enanthate and EQ vs. outlined Sust and EQ for my cycle based on my stats and what i am looking to accomplish?

 

[magman1]

It sounds like your bf may be a bit high so winny would not be ideal. Maybe test / eq / var and just do so much fckn cardio til you drop. May think about adding some HGH in there long term

 

[NegroPops]

Test E or Sustanon would work

 

[notjake11]

I would recommend using winny as a kickstart for the first six weeks and then if you wanted you could run it again at the end as recommended by props. I woy ld also lower the test to 400. I am about to start a similar cycle and have the log posted. It was designed with help from the top people here so worth taking a look.

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[markimacm]

It sounds like your bf may be a bit high so winny would not be ideal. Maybe test / eq / var and just do so much fckn cardio til you drop. May think about adding some HGH in there long term

I'm over the whole HGH thing, I never once received legit growth always str8 BUNK. So as for growth that is pretty much eliminated from my program. Now you're def right about the BF being there on the higher side (naturally like this in my genes, etc.) but why winny for a kick start? and how often, how much, etc.?

 

[RADAR]

certain steroids effect people differently.. some may think winny is a waste. I personally think it is great, especially when cutting. An excellent way to help cap off a cycle.

As far as GW and cancer goes.. I remember reading a study about it possibly causing cancer, but those were with extremely high doses up to 200 mg a day. But, that is all I really know about that subject. I am currently on my second go with GW at 20 mg a day. No tumors that I can report at the moment..

It doesn't cause cancer, but at heavy doses it can activate dormant Pre Cancerous cells, just wanted to clarify that.

 

[markimacm]

So for my body size (being a little bulkier than a lean fitness guy) should i experiment with WINNY in my cycle or leave it alone? I have it on hand, so if I need it I can use it before cycle/during cycle, end of cycle etc... Just need a little guidance here.

 

[markimacm]

or should I do a basic cycle with no winny at all? consisting of what magman1 mentioned above ( test / eq / var )???

My original plan was to do :

CYCLE:

Week 1-16 Sust or Enanthate (500mg week)
Week 1-15 Equipoise 600mg/week (is this correct amount)?

Winny optional depending on what anyone's thoughts are and when to do it...

 

[UA_Iron]

Tbol over winny.

You said you wanted to gain strength, tbol is much better for that. Also, by week 4-5 your joints are going to hurt negating any strength increases winny would provide.

Your bf% is controlled by your diet, eat cleaner, cut carbs to keep a drier look. GH501-516 is a decent addition.

Add the right stimulants for even greater weight loss.

 

[markimacm]

Tbol over winny.

You said you wanted to gain strength, tbol is much better for that. Also, by week 4-5 your joints are going to hurt negating any strength increases winny would provide.

Your bf% is controlled by your diet, eat cleaner, cut carbs to keep a drier look. GH501-516 is a decent addition.

Add the right stimulants for even greater weight loss.

So F the winny all together whether at beginning or end of my to be cycle? I got it I guess! Like I said I never experimented with winny b4 so I need help with it.

So adding TBOL to my Enanthate/EQ 16 week cycle is appropriate?

I am not sure I will do the GH-501-516 just yet as I am not sure I know much about it. As for diet (I am trying me darn best) But again my body is NATURALLY big and it stems from family genes. etc. I mean I am not huge but I do have a belly unfortunatly that no matter what will not go away.

What other stimulants would you suggest BTW?

 

[markimacm]

PS: trying to avoid as much bloat as possible! Any suggestions?

 

[wootoom]

Something like a Test Prop should reduce bloat

 

[RADAR]

since you're a stocky fella have you tried Need2stim along with need2slin both of those should help you in leaning up.

 

[wootoom]

N2 burn is awesome

 

[RADAR]

^^^ that also

 

[markimacm]

i haven't guys (in regards to trying N2 burn or Need2 stim/need2slin). Is that to do stand alone for x amount of time or to be used with cycle and while on cycle? I was planning on doing cycle as of may (so in like a week). Last cycle i did 4 months ago was prop/eq/enanthate (no AI)..Worked well I guess for most part and I def would not mind doing it again but just trying to see other scenarios that may fit my needs correctly.

 

[markimacm]

ps: i have N2BURN and N2KTS at home from past orders (but never used them they are still sealed). I can order the other supps to if need be.

 

[markimacm]

any inputs?

 

[RickRock13]

Need2slin would be a great addition. It really helps partition your carbs and nutrients more efficiently.

 

[markimacm]

I'm almost sure I am going to go back on and do my original (last cycle) cycle of EQ/PROP...My thing is how long of an EQ/PROP/and AI's to do ? Time duration? I normally do it for 12-16 months...any suggestions?

 

[markimacm]

I'm almost sure I am going to go back on and do my original (last cycle) cycle of EQ/PROP...My thing is how long of an EQ/PROP/and AI's to do ? Time duration? I normally do it for 12-16 months...any suggestions?