Glucometric analysis of R-ALA/ALA/CLA/GLA/AlCar

[junk]

Fonz, what's your background ? (excluding soccer ) You seem much more knowledgable than some docs I know !!!

1) Does this report contradicts the notion than r-ALA REDUCES insulin spike ? And ALA ICREASES it?

2) Objectively speaking, what would be the best supplements? I currently take 100 to 300mg of r-ALA 10 minutes before every meal. Now, considering I eat 7 times a day that's about 1400mg of r-ALA a day. Pricewise wouldn't it be better to buy ALA powder from Kilosports for shit less than r-ALA and get the same identical results of r-ALA ? I remeber once you said ALA would INCREASE insulin and r-ALA would DECREASE it..

3) I take GLA from Primerose 3 soft caps of 1300mg each (each giving about 180mg of GLA and 960 of LA). Is this enough Omega-6 addition to my 6 caps a day of Omega-3 ? I heard extra Omega 6 is not so good.

Thanks bro.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

so the study says ALA and R-ALA both had the same equal effect? Hmmm.

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on BG.. which is to be expected (at 3 times the dosage.. also to be expected)..

what this does not show is the most important aspect of R+ which is plasma insulin reduction

 

[THeMaCHinE]

on BG.. which is to be expected (at 3 times the dosage.. also to be expected)..

what this does not show is the most important aspect of R+ which is plasma insulin reduction

Can you talk a little about that?

 

[XBiker]

Good post Fonz.

Do you get paid for this or do you have this much free time?

 

[Fonz]

Fonz -- very interesting stuff; so it would appear that the top 3 out of the list are ALA, R-ALA and GLA?

This also seems to confirm your other ALA experiment that basically shows equal results between ALA and R-ALA if the ALA is dosed at a 3x rate ...

Have a question from your explanation of prostaglandins. You define linoleic acid (omega-6) as making both Series 1 and 2 prostaglandins, and linolenic acid (omega-3) (Series 3) as blocking production of Series 2 prostaglandins. Do DHA/EPA omega-3s exhibit the same effects as linolenic omega-3s?

If so, why not use fish oil (cost and quantity of omega-3s better) instead of GLA?

Also, I assume GLA is a long-chain omega-3? I assume flax linolenic acids are out of the picture because they are short-chain?

Thanks for taking the time to do this experiment and post your results.

The four best supps right now are:

1.600mg R-ALA+ 1.5g ALCar +5mg Biotin

2. Green Tea 98& Polyphemols and 60%catechins... 48ECG's/1g

3. CLA 5g 3X/day

4. GLA. 2g/day


This is what I talke.

Take into affect that ther are all NON-hormonal an can be used aind on AAS cycles. But speciall when off as they will help preserve your muscle mass.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

btw I noticed a PROBLEM in your report dude!

The guys at AF at very much adamant at taking BIOTIN with your r-ala. For it highly improves the process.

So you need to redo that test WITH the biotin supplements. I'm very curious to see how much, if any, difference it makes. To see if it's even worth it taking that extra biotin.

and btw: what do you think about that last comment about not showing the true advantage of r-ala regarding insulin reduction?

Any comments from the peanut gallery?

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Biotin has a minimal impact on insulin sensitivity, it just gets rid of the depleted low biotin levels cauded by the r-ala.R-ALA is after all a chelatimg agent.


But low biotin levels = hairloss, joit pain, tendonitids et.. rtc..

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Good post Fonz.

Do you get paid for this or do you have this much free time?

No, I don't get paid, I just write about things I find interesting.

Fonz

 

[variation]

hmm

Interesting stuff fonz, good work... but I what about chromium?
I've read it's suppose to help insulin to store glycogen to muscles... I don't know exactly how effective it is.. would be interested to find out... now in my post workout shakes I've been adding a tablespoon of brewers yeast.. which has chromium in it, a wide variety of b-vitamins (not sure if it includes biotin, but I guess that may be good if it did, if chromium also reduces biotin levels) and also it is like 50% protein.. so what are your thoughts on chromium/brewers yeast... it's pretty cheap, I picked up a pound bag of it for a couple of bucks.

 

[Fonz]

>Biotin has a minimal impact on insulin sensitivity

So taking that biotin has NO impact on making r-ala do a better job of shuttling carbs, and improving insulin dependency? That's not what the AF guys said? (ooh ooh! fight fight you two!! go!)

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R-ALA depletes intra-cellular biotin. Once this happens there is a minimal decrease in glucose sensitivity that the cells can take up.
The user also experiences dry skin, bad joints etc...
SO, with just supplemmenting 1-2mg 3X/day of Biotin from the AF Store, you normalize your glucose sensitivity and get rid of all the problems associated with low intra-cellular biotin levels.

Fonz

 

[junk]

Fonz I am wondering if the changes seen with the GLA weren't actually due to the very high content of FAT in the meal (Added by the GLA) or by the GLA itself. If I recall, you consumed something like 12g fat just to get to the 2g GLA mark.