Getting Huge and Ripped------->

[marvelous54]

All right guys I'm gonna try this over the next 19 weeks. Critique away, cuss me out do whatever feels good!

Weeks 1-13 I'm gonna be bulking up. My diet will be 40-40-30 3600 total cals per day.

Weeks 14-19 I'm gonna go straight into a 6 week cutter and hopefully hold most of my bulk but be lean at the end.

Stats 5`10 250 16%bf 32yrs been training forever.

Cycle
1-19 Proviron 50mg/ed
Bulk
1-6 D-bol 50mg/ed
1-13 Deca 400mg/ew
1-13 Test-cyp 600mg/ew
Cut
14-19 Winny 50mg/ed
14-19 Tren-ace 75mg/ed
14-19 Test-prop 75mg/ed
Clen wks 10-19 (2on 2off)
T3 wks 13-18
AIFM throughout

PCT begins wk 20
1-3 HCG 500 iu/ed
1-6 Nolva 20mgs/ed
1-4 Clomid 300mgs/day 1; 100mgs/ed thru wk 2; 50mg/ed wks 3&4
1-4 AIFM
Vit E 1000iu/ed

Whthchya thank bros?

 

[needtogetaas]

i wish i followed my own advice but if i were you i would cut first.

 

[marvelous54]

Damn, thats a good thought. Thats why I get all my shit, plan everything and then post so I can alter some shit! Definitely something to think about!

 

[needtogetaas]

Damn, thats a good thought. Thats why I get all my shit, plan everything and then post so I can alter some shit! Definitely something to think about!

realy at 250lbs youre going to want to eat more then that fore a bulk.if you cut first.bring down youre bf% and maby some wate you will be able to go into a bulk and realy see all the resalts.
shit I bulked 3 times with no cut.bad idie.you get huge ya but it just ant the same.being lean and huge is so much better.if youre allready high bf% now youre going to be even higher after a bulk.then it will just make it that much harder when it comes time to cut.just cut now then bulk.when youre bulk is over you will have less bf% to worry about takeing off on youre next cut.
it just makes it way more esser on youreself this way.

 

[needtogetaas]

you will feel biger if you do this any way.cutting off fat and hardining up allways makes you feel grate.

 

[marvelous54]

yeah thats an excellent point. do that, maintain for a few months, then go into a full cutter around the end of spring

 

[marvelous54]

BTW - needto, do me a favor and suggest a mix up of the gear I have there!

 

[needtogetaas]

yeah thats an excellent point. do that, maintain for a few months, then go into a full cutter around the end of spring

right.you will cut now.bulk in the winter get big then cut up again fore next summer in perfict time.screem "more pussy" with every rep to.

 

[needtogetaas]

I think what you have laid out right there is perfict exept I would not run the dball any longer then 4 weeks.I dont like test cyp or prop i like test-e even though people say there the same I dont care I like test-e better.
looking at youre cut cycle youre going to be pokeing youreself an offel lot to.lol



how many cycles you got under youre belt.I think if you ant got many we can trim them cycles there up a bit.

 

[Indy]

All right guys I'm gonna try this over the next 19 weeks. Critique away, cuss me out do whatever feels good!

Weeks 1-13 I'm gonna be bulking up. My diet will be 40-40-30 3600 total cals per day.

Weeks 14-19 I'm gonna go straight into a 6 week cutter and hopefully hold most of my bulk but be lean at the end.

Stats 5`10 250 16%bf 32yrs been training forever.

Cycle
1-19 Proviron 50mg/ed
Bulk
1-6 D-bol 50mg/ed
1-13 Deca 400mg/ew
1-13 Test-cyp 600mg/ew
Cut
14-19 Winny 50mg/ed
14-19 Tren-ace 75mg/ed
14-19 Test-prop 75mg/ed
Clen wks 10-19 (2on 2off)
T3 wks 13-18
AIFM throughout

PCT begins wk 20
1-3 HCG 500 iu/ed
1-6 Nolva 20mgs/ed
1-4 Clomid 300mgs/day 1; 100mgs/ed thru wk 2; 50mg/ed wks 3&4
1-4 AIFM
Vit E 1000iu/ed

Whthchya thank bros?

What's with the DECA bro ?? thought you were going the eq route ?? I did slight mods to the list you sent me yesterday or day before but basically staying with what we spoke of. I have a TON of DECA and could easily go that route as well, I dont think we would have to be as patient as with the EQ we spoke of the other day.

What's your intentions for the Proviron, for AI's or strictly for libido health ?? just curious since using nandralone based gear.

indy

 

[marvelous54]

INDY, I'm planning on using deca with mine I just thought you were set on trying the EQ. I'm actually thinkin about trying some eq but I already had the deca on hand so the eq prolly wont be til spring. A far as the prov goes it is in part due to the ai effects but mainly due to the complimenting effects with test. Prov binds to SHBG which allows more of your test to be free test. There is also a synergy btween the two for fat burning due too. The libido health is a nice lil side benefit as well!

Needto, this will only be my third cycle but to be quite honest with you my first two didnt seem to be much more effective than if I were to just be on good diet alone! I always make sure my diet is in check, even when off cycle. Except for the occasional binge but the binges are always off cycle!

BTW - needto, I have a med background and did research for a couple of years before ever stickin myself. Ive been training for about 17 years!

 

[Indy]

agreed, and proviron does a great job in all respects, you'll like how it keeps you looking hard, even while on test. I think I'm going to stick to my guns on EQ cycle to give it fair run, will start this Monday if all goes well, I'll save the deca for a deep winter warm up session, I have enough deca and eq both for probably 2 years on cycles on each. If the eq does what everyone claims, I might toss the deca, I just seem to gyno prone on it, hopefully eq will takes it's place in my arsenal. Good luck bro, and we'll have to compare notes for the next 5 months.

 

[theprofessor]

damn... you can bulk at 3600 calories... i mean... thats good that you can do that...
i cant maintain off that ammount (and i am smaller than you by a lot)... i hate my genetics...

 

[marvelous54]

Yeah, I know thats odd. Sort od fortunate and sort of a bad thing! If I don't watch I'll get fat as hell, even on a good diet! The other thing is when I cut I have to almost starve. I've always staed away from anykind of fat burners just never like the way they made me feel but Im goin all out when I cut this time. Whether it be now or at the end!

 

[needtogetaas]

damn... you can bulk at 3600 calories... i mean... thats good that you can do that...
i cant maintain off that ammount (and i am smaller than you by a lot)... i hate my genetics...

ya I was thinking the same


btw bro I wasent saying any thing bad about you bro.looking at youre cycle I can tell you know what youre doing.it looks grate.

like I said test deca,dbol would put on some muscle if that dont do it nothing will.lol

 

[immortalis]

agreed, and proviron does a great job in all respects, you'll like how it keeps you looking hard, even while on test. I think I'm going to stick to my guns on EQ cycle to give it fair run, will start this Monday if all goes well, I'll save the deca for a deep winter warm up session, I have enough deca and eq both for probably 2 years on cycles on each. If the eq does what everyone claims, I might toss the deca, I just seem to gyno prone on it, hopefully eq will takes it's place in my arsenal. Good luck bro, and we'll have to compare notes for the next 5 months.

I ran Deca in my bulker and loved it (500Deca/550Test)

I had never ran EQ or Winny before prior to my current cycle of 800EQ/550Test (finishing week 10 currently), and I'm wrapping up 7 weeks of 50winny ed right now. I got my first gyno symptoms ever, and had to jump on some Letro to kick its ass. So I dont know if its the EQ or the Winny that got me...

So far with the exceptions of the gyno I had to battle, I've really liked this cycle thus far. Increased hardness and vascularity is always good

 

[Goldprospector]

Maintaining your bulk while cutting is gonaa be difficult to do. You body will not have had time to adjust, as soon as you lower the calories...you are gonna start dropping some LBM along with fat.

Ever consider upping you calories a little but do plenty of cardio throughout the cycle?

 

[marvelous54]

agreed, and proviron does a great job in all respects, you'll like how it keeps you looking hard, even while on test. I think I'm going to stick to my guns on EQ cycle to give it fair run, will start this Monday if all goes well, I'll save the deca for a deep winter warm up session, I have enough deca and eq both for probably 2 years on cycles on each. If the eq does what everyone claims, I might toss the deca, I just seem to gyno prone on it, hopefully eq will takes it's place in my arsenal. Good luck bro, and we'll have to compare notes for the next 5 months.

Indy, definitely keep me posted! I want to know the EQ treats you. I'm strongly considering it for my spring/summer cycle. Thanks for all the input bro.

Needto, bro I never take offense to what you say. You're one of the guys I really respect on here and if you say something I know you're trying to help me. Anytime you want to critique my cycle planning, write-ups or anything feel free to. I didn't take offense to it at all. As always I really appreciate the avice!

Gold, thats definitely an excellent point. I think they maybe one of the reasons needto was suggesting cutting first. I think that way going from a calorie deficient state to a calorie proficient state should have a really positive effect on my ability to gain even more weight. Thanks for the rec.

 

[get456]

eq/test has always been a personal favorite of mine... but i always ran low doses-- 600eq/500test max so far... and only 8 weeks at a time...

but things have changed a lot seemingly.. dont know what i would do now

 

[mlong23]

ya I was thinking the same


btw bro I wasent saying any thing bad about you bro.looking at youre cycle I can tell you know what youre doing.it looks grate.

like I said test deca,dbol would put on some muscle if that dont do it nothing will.lol

Great answers. But you haven't answered how many cycles you have done so far.

 

[letsrun4it]

i dont like runing deca/tren for that long

but good luck!

 

[marvelous54]

Well it's all preliminary right now. That is why I like to feedback before I start so I can take everyone's responses into account. Thanks for th input bro!

 

[instant.muscle]

on a test dbol eq tren cycle do u need pro-v 2 look hard even if ur on some adex?

 

[marvelous54]

im not usin the eq, thats my boy INDY. i have deca with mine.