getting a post secondary education

[mattcanning99]

ok, admittedly im a little bitter, for a few reasons, not all of which i will get into.

i know that i could have started teaching high school math in september, at 19 years old, and done a better job than teachers i know who had masters degrees in the subject. will learning make me a better high school math teacher when i graduate? hell no, it's the biggest waste of life imaginable.

that may be the largest source of my bitterness.

 

[Zirakzigil]

If you can walk into a medical office with no college whatsoever and pass some kind of examination, then I don't see why you should not be hired as a doctor.

Because people still study to the test, same as the SATs.

You want a doctor who has years of experience in a wide range of fields, NOT a doctor who studied to the test.

But, I agree. There should be two classes of certified physicians - those with education and those without. Let the patients choose who to see.

 

[Warik]

The problem is that losers like you two take evrything in life, along with education for granted.

I take nothing for granted. This is a common excuse used by people to claim one is showing ingratitude.

I'm an intelligent man with many useful abilities and I wish to use these abilities to begin my professional life and build a family. I can't do so for another year or two, however, because I'm wasting time having these abilities re-taught to me along with other abilities that will be of no use. How is that taking anything for granted?

The single most important factor which brings about social inequality in society is acess/or lack thereof to education.

I agree. I have an education. Why are you bitching at me? Go bitch at the uneducated.

You both need to get real and be thankful you've had the chance to do something that millions of kids the world over would love to do.

Who says I'm not thankful? Your argument has no logical foundation to stand on. Let me take a quick moment to use my education I "take for granted" to form an analogy to make you look like a fool.

Let's say you're a fish.

You're sitting in a frying pan.

You're pissed about the fact that you're sitting in a frying pan.

Lo' and behold, vinylgroover comes by, insults you, and tells you that you take being in the frying pan for granted. He tells you that there are millions of fish all over the world who are sitting in the fire and wish they would be in the frying pan.

Now tell me, do you really want to be in the fucking frying pan?

Wankers

Proof that education is paramount.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

You want a doctor who has years of experience in a wide range of fields, NOT a doctor who studied to the test.

College != Experience.

Let's say you and I want to be doctors. You're 30 years old and went to med school. I'm 20 years old and studied as much as I could about practicing medicine. We go to a hospital that has this kind of "test" as a requirement. We both pass. What's the difference between you and me?

You went to med school for 10 years and I studied for the test. We have the same knowledge. More importantly, we have the same experience (NONE WHATSOEVER).

Isn't the point of college to learn something, and the point of working to gain more experience about something? Why do you think that people who say "I have 4 years experience" on a resume talking about college never get a job?

But, I agree. There should be two classes of certified physicians - those with education and those without. Let the patients choose who to see.

Hey, personally, if there were some kind of data available to show a doctor's performance since his first day of practice and comments that previous patients have made about him, I wouldn't hesitate to take the "uneducated" doctor if he showed a better track record.

The first year or two on the job, it's about your education.

After that, no one gives a damn where you went to school. They ALL want to know what you've done since then.

-Warik

 

[Zirakzigil]

Warik, you're educated? Your analogy was horrible. The frying pan and the fire are both fatal to the same degree. Not having the opportunity to be educated and HAVING to be educated to get a certain job are not in the same league at all.

Nice try, though - I mean that.

 

[vinylgroover]

Warik,

My comments were primarily aimed at Matts reply to my comment that 'happiness' is more important than education.

WTF does that mean? Go to India or Bangladesh or any undeveloped country for that matter and see kids working their asses off in sweat shops for $1 a month and then come and tell me education is not important.

That's why i get pissed off.

 

[buddy28]

Have you yet to see the point here?

The point here is the fact that college degrees for most professions are unnecessary. That is, they should NOT be necessary.

Should you need a degree to be a math teacher? An English teacher? A social studies teacher? ANY kind of teacher? No.

A computer programmer/engineer? No.

A chemist? No.

Did you read my whole post brightass???

You dont understand how normal employment works, do you? Gaining employment for jobs other than computer programming, or sales, require the applicant to *demonstrate* a sufficent level of problem solving, analyitical, and writing skills, in addition to a satisfactory level of knowledge associated with the position being applied for.

Because we dont live in a society where everyone knows everyone else, the method used to certify the possession of the required knowledge base and analytical skills is a degree. SURPRISE!!!! Makes sense, doesnt it?

Chemist not needing a degree. Hmmm......you think your smarter then the CEOs of Merke Fizer? Right.....

 

[Warik]

Not having the opportunity to be educated and HAVING to be educated to get a certain job are not in the same league at all.

No, they're not, but that's not the message I am attempting to convey to you.

There is a difference between not having the opportunity to be educated, and not having the opportunity to get an education.

Being educated = going to school.
Getting an education = learning.

If someone can't afford a few thousand dollars a year to go to college, does that mean he can't get an education? No, it doesn't.

Library
Internet
Friends
Etc.

Being in the frying pan refers to being able to go to college to "get educated," but being reluctant to do so because it is not necessary for one's education. Being in the fryer is not being able to be educated at all.

Both cases are NOT fatal to the same degree.

-Warik

 

[mattcanning99]

well, im not going to refer to specific situations, just my own, and maybe a select few others.

im just saying education is uncessary for me...ok, maybe that is just my opinion.

let's pretend i was placed in a high school and allowed to teach a class grade 12 math and did a great job, and continued to do so.

tell me how 4 years or more of post secondary education would be necessary in that case? especially in the circumstance im not interested and also unhappy with it...that's how i see it, but i can only speak for myself. as i said, many people need to be schooled, and education obviously has it's benefits. apparently, under the UN, i believe education is a right, so why does it cost so much

im getting an education because the man is saying i need a piece of paper to do a job i could have done the day after i finished my last high school math class. this is pointless. there is no arguing that.

but i guess that piece of paper makes things more objective than hiring people who dont need to be schooled...you never know who needs it and who doesn't.

 

[Warik]

My comments were primarily aimed at Matts reply to my comment that 'happiness' is more important than education.

WTF does that mean? Go to India or Bangladesh or any undeveloped country for that matter and see kids working their asses off in sweat shops for $1 a month and then come and tell me education is not important.

vinylgroover,

Are those kids in India or Bangladesh happy? No.

Go talk to the typical rapper or professional athlete. Chances are they are as dumb as rocks and perfectly happy "singing" their garbage or playing a game for a living. Proof that being happy is more important than being smart.

-Warik