Gay straight men.

[musclebrains]

. Many heterosexuals don't even define a sexual act sex unless it involves intercourse.

Bill Clinton for example.

Omega needs to get a sense of humor about this subject. It's amazing how much fun straight boys have calling one another polesmoker, etc., but how defensive they get if a gay man says the same thing to them or engages in some joking about the claim of exclusive heterosexuality.

 

[HansNZ]

[BAmazes me to no degree how many people love to spout out about how "being gay" is somehow in the genes. Well i can't find proof of that, *but* i can prove that being STRAIGHT is in the genes. No matter how "gay" you get, there is always a gene in the body, put in there by nature, to want to entice you somewhat to want to have sex with the opposite sex.

It's called instinct.

Maybe that IS what happened to the dinosaurs. Maybe they all became flaming gay, and forgot they needed to have babies in order to survive.-= nav =- [/B]

hmmm, where do I begin? This is interesting. Being hetero is in the genes but not homo? I've been gay since my earliest memories. It certainly wasn't a "choice". I have no "instinctual" drive to have sex with women. I would have loved to have been straight growing up. If there had been a straight pill I would have taken it immediately, but I would have needed a pill because my sexual INSTINCTS were only towards men.

In terms of sexuality, maybe being bisexual is actually what is normal, not this artifical pure hetero or homo behaviour. I am sure there'd always be pure straights and pure gays in the same way you can find pure blackless and pure intense white. But most colours in our world are neither of these.

It seems human religion and philosophical/scientific theories create this artificial behavior. In an undistorted world perhaps homosexual urges would be strongest before and after prime reproductive periods with heterosexual impulses becoming strongest during these periods. A man having sex with a man is no more unnatural than a man having sex with a woman who isn't ovulating (which also does not lead to reproduction).

 

[HansNZ]

That dude looks old!

He looks like he's in his thirties. I find more mature men very appealing. They seem more male somehow. If they have a body like that it helps too, hehe.

 

[HansNZ]

>Being hetero is in the genes but not homo?

Yep, cuz if it was in the genes...then millions of years of evolution would've forced certain types of men to have larger assholes right at birth.

that and no other species on earth is born immediately flaming gay (contrary to staged pictures you find in magazines).

also: if it WAS in the genes -- bet you 10 bucks, some anti-gay advocates would've worked their asses off trying to locate this "gene" so one day they could correct it right at birth. So parents could make sure they're not born with "gay" babies.

Being gay is no more of a preference, then me enjoying licking a woman's belly button to climax. Everyone's sexual desire is a little bit different. Some people more to the extreme than others. It's what makes all humans unique. But it sure isn't genetic. My granpda being gay sure isn't going to increase the odds of me being mr queer duck.

gay rights people need to be a *bit* more scientific than 'well i grew up this way, therefore it's genetic'. That's an insult to real scientists who spend their lifetimes spending genes and genetics.

-= nav =-

Actually you are quite wrong. Homosexuality among animals is well documented.

As for your other comment - if your mother has blond hair that is no guarantee that you will have blond hair. My aunt is a red head, my uncle has black hair, yet my cousin is blond. A genetic result is the product of a combination of factors.

Perhaps to avoid confusion about whether homosexuality among people who have always had such urges is genetic, perhaps we should say that being homosexual is "in-born" instead. Especially since our knowledge of genetics and the human body is still in its early stages, not to mention what we do "know" is contaminated by so many of our cultural assumptions about how the world is constructed.

As for the sodomy comment (large assholes), you've fallen for another stereotype. This practice is extremely common among straights too. My b/f and I never have anal sex yet my best friend does this woth his g/f frequently.

 

[smallmovesal]

 

[magdelana]

It's just not masculine? Neither my b/f nor I are fem. We're gay and we're masculine. I think the point you're trying to make is that guys think being gay is unmasculine - which is wrong. In fact I would have thought full on man sex would be a lot more butch than the pretty perfume and bows that so many men find appealing. LOL

Darktooth, Hans you silly boys i was being facetious.

STRAIGHT guys think it is not masculine. They think giving a little bj to another guy in a moment of passion is against the typical male gender role. That is why many straight men refuse the idea that they might be bi.

With women it is very different. Society tells women that it is fine to be bi and that is within the female gender role. Doesnt make them seem like "less of a woman" at all in the minds of society.

BTW i know that probably most gay men are straight acting (not fem that is) and that is what they find attractive in other men as well.

 

[smallmovesal]

 

[HansNZ]

Darktooth, Hans you silly boys i was being facetious.

STRAIGHT guys think it is not masculine. They think giving a little bj to another guy in a moment of passion is against the typical male gender role. That is why many straight men refuse the idea that they might be bi.

With women it is very different. Society tells women that it is fine to be bi and that is within the female gender role. Doesnt make them seem like "less of a woman" at all in the minds of society.

BTW i know that probably most gay men are straight acting (not fem that is) and that is what they find attractive in other men as well.

Appologies for misconstrueing you magdelena

I agree totally with your comments. Because lesbian sex isn't consider unfeminine in the way that gay sex is considered unmasculine there aren't as many taboos against it. It doesn't compromise people's sense of gender identity in the same way.

It is interesting to see the different attitudes of straight men when I visit Sydney. There is such a large and visible community there that straight men are always in contact with gay guys.

Because of this larger community you see more diversity and types of gay men. The masculine gay men seem to predominate there. Because of this it seems the straight and/or closeted men don't have the same inhibitions about experimenting because what they are doing doesn't seem unmasculine.

 

[smallmovesal]

i have nothing but respect for those who live openly gay lifestyles and have the courage to be true to themselves first... not what the predominant "culture" deems to be "normal"..

 

[magdelana]

Wow, so Sydney is very queer, eh? I am from Holland and i can say that Atlanta where i live now is almost as queer as Amsterdam and Rotterdam. A big surprise for me certainly. Yes the different sorts you can see when there are a lot of us is rather interesting.

There is a club here where straight, bi and queer as mix together a lot. I am very big and muscular ( 1.82 meter and 93 kilo) and often these fem little skinny girls are all over me squeezing my arms and cooing over me. When everyone is relaxed and completely fine with any feelings they might have the ideas of of bi, straight and gay all sort of blur a lot.