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fuck this.. im staying on GH year round...
- Thread starter PARABOLAN
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absolutely the worst thing i've ever heard anyone say from a medical point of view.....although i reaspect your enthusiasm and passion i think you'll be very sorry in the long run.
you will wind up looking like a freak with big head, hands, gaped teeth, with a turtle belly and enlarged heart, liver and internal organs.
if your goal is to look good this isn't the way to go about it.
doseages are irrelevant - no-one should be supplementing constantly and certainly not growth hormone.
bad bad idea - but it's your body.
you will wind up looking like a freak with big head, hands, gaped teeth, with a turtle belly and enlarged heart, liver and internal organs.
if your goal is to look good this isn't the way to go about it.
doseages are irrelevant - no-one should be supplementing constantly and certainly not growth hormone.
bad bad idea - but it's your body.
NY1MUSCLE
BRO,you should really know what your talking about before you post something like that.show me the proof that this kid will get all these sides from staying on gh year round.the studies on gh are so vague right now that nobody knows alot about it.but what we do know is that all this crap about huge,enlarged body parts is not what happens with gh because now all gh is synthetic and not gotten out of cadavers.so please, if you dont know about a subject then stop posting about it and passing on false information.people come here for answers to their questions and not oppions on what you think is going to happen.
BRO,you should really know what your talking about before you post something like that.show me the proof that this kid will get all these sides from staying on gh year round.the studies on gh are so vague right now that nobody knows alot about it.but what we do know is that all this crap about huge,enlarged body parts is not what happens with gh because now all gh is synthetic and not gotten out of cadavers.so please, if you dont know about a subject then stop posting about it and passing on false information.people come here for answers to their questions and not oppions on what you think is going to happen.
"Secondary partial empty sella syndrome in an elite bodybuilder."
Neurol Res 2001 Jun;23(4):336-8
"we are reporting on a case of partial empty sella syndrome occuring in an elite bodybuilder with a long history of expogenous abuse of growth hormone use..."
This is just one more to follow
Neurol Res 2001 Jun;23(4):336-8
"we are reporting on a case of partial empty sella syndrome occuring in an elite bodybuilder with a long history of expogenous abuse of growth hormone use..."
This is just one more to follow
NY1Muscle said:
Watch your sella fella...Sorry,couldn't resist.I agree with the above bro's.At your age,there is no reason at all to be having GH as a mainstay,as your own production is still decent.And year round use is a little on the frightening side,unless it's only for restoring levels to normal(therapeutic).Just my .02.
gettingdiesel
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Para,
I'm with you. I'm a little older than you , but I think growth is great. If I had the coin I would stay on with a similar approach.
Do it up and keep us posted.
GD
I'm with you. I'm a little older than you , but I think growth is great. If I had the coin I would stay on with a similar approach.
Do it up and keep us posted.
GD
NY1MUSCLE
you are talking about an elite bodybuilder probably taking 18ius or more a day.different situation then taking low dosages.you cant compare someone taking 200mg of cyp a week to someone taking 2grams a week.same thing here.i didnt hear the kid say mega dosages for ever.he said 4iu.
you are talking about an elite bodybuilder probably taking 18ius or more a day.different situation then taking low dosages.you cant compare someone taking 200mg of cyp a week to someone taking 2grams a week.same thing here.i didnt hear the kid say mega dosages for ever.he said 4iu.
check:
Safety aspects of growth hormone replacement in adults
Growth Hormone & IGF Research
Horm Res 1999;51 Suppl 3:141-8
"...supranormal GH-induced IGF-1 levels are associated with increased prevalence of side effects in adults with GHD" and that's people who have no growth hormone to start with.
Clinical Endrocrinology (oxf) 2001 Jun; 54(6):709-17
This study evaluated the effects of low-dose GH replacement.....meaning 0.4-0.5 IU for 3 months.
but you know what? what the heck do i know - it's just my opinion
take it or leave it i think it's absolutley stupid for a 23 year old to use growth hormone, that's my opinon
Safety aspects of growth hormone replacement in adults
Growth Hormone & IGF Research
Horm Res 1999;51 Suppl 3:141-8
"...supranormal GH-induced IGF-1 levels are associated with increased prevalence of side effects in adults with GHD" and that's people who have no growth hormone to start with.
Clinical Endrocrinology (oxf) 2001 Jun; 54(6):709-17
This study evaluated the effects of low-dose GH replacement.....meaning 0.4-0.5 IU for 3 months.
but you know what? what the heck do i know - it's just my opinion
take it or leave it i think it's absolutley stupid for a 23 year old to use growth hormone, that's my opinon
bro,the only thing i had a problem with is this concept of "oh if you take gh then your going to have a huge head,big feet,and hands."that is not the truth.i have no doubt the side effects occure with gh use but what i said or meant was to show me proof that if someone takes gh that his head is going to grow larger.come on.you know exactly what im saying yet you are taking offense to my reply.your oppion is yours and mine is mine but all i say is dont tell someone this or that is going to happen if its your oppion.i say prove it first.if your oppion is that he is too young,then thats fine with me.but dont scare him saying your going to look like a freak with a big head if he takes gh.
SaltyOlPirate
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Look at what happened to this guy's jaw because of too much GH
http://members.tripod.com/~bmovies/zdar/bigsweat.htm
That'll teach you.....lol
http://members.tripod.com/~bmovies/zdar/bigsweat.htm
That'll teach you.....lol
J
Julez
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You know what I'm thinking?
1/ How does a 23 year old get time to hit the gym for 5/6 days outta 7.
AND
2/ Carefully prepare 6/7 nutrionally patent meals.
AND
3/ Rest for 7-8 hours out of 24
AND
4/ Get the time to suffiently research bb drug's such as AS never mind GH and SLIN!
AND
5/ Not grow suffiently on AS's(bear i mind no-one that's researched AS well would even consider starting befoe 21).
AND
6/ Buy the required amount of legal(and most essential) supplements. Ie, protein, vits, flax seed oil, milk thistle, etc.
AND
6/ Be able to finaniacly support the above
AND
7/ Consider using GH year round, albiet in small doses.
Anyway, I don't suppose anything people say will change your mind. There are side effects with any drugs, but in my opinion with GH especially slin you are playing with fire. There will always be people that are ok using it- like cigarette smokers.
Jeez, I guess I am just increasingly shocked by the shit people are willing to try in the pursuit of fitness. What I guess I mean is that if you have to ask a question lik this, you probaby should'nt be doing it..... not at 23 anyway.
1/ How does a 23 year old get time to hit the gym for 5/6 days outta 7.
AND
2/ Carefully prepare 6/7 nutrionally patent meals.
AND
3/ Rest for 7-8 hours out of 24
AND
4/ Get the time to suffiently research bb drug's such as AS never mind GH and SLIN!
AND
5/ Not grow suffiently on AS's(bear i mind no-one that's researched AS well would even consider starting befoe 21).
AND
6/ Buy the required amount of legal(and most essential) supplements. Ie, protein, vits, flax seed oil, milk thistle, etc.
AND
6/ Be able to finaniacly support the above
AND
7/ Consider using GH year round, albiet in small doses.
Anyway, I don't suppose anything people say will change your mind. There are side effects with any drugs, but in my opinion with GH especially slin you are playing with fire. There will always be people that are ok using it- like cigarette smokers.
Jeez, I guess I am just increasingly shocked by the shit people are willing to try in the pursuit of fitness. What I guess I mean is that if you have to ask a question lik this, you probaby should'nt be doing it..... not at 23 anyway.
slin shady
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this is pointless'
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Parabolan!
The dose is irrelevant when it comes to feedback inhibition, 4 IU`s is enough to supress your endogenous gh-production....
If you have got the money to cycle growth hormone for the rest of your life you will be fine......
You WILL get hypophysis atrophy, so you will probably have to cycle it the rest of your life to stay healthy...
You gotta give your body some time to get into balance again
Don`t do it all year around, ....even don`t do it at all for a decade atleast.
/Komo
The dose is irrelevant when it comes to feedback inhibition, 4 IU`s is enough to supress your endogenous gh-production....
If you have got the money to cycle growth hormone for the rest of your life you will be fine......
You WILL get hypophysis atrophy, so you will probably have to cycle it the rest of your life to stay healthy...
You gotta give your body some time to get into balance again
Don`t do it all year around, ....even don`t do it at all for a decade atleast.
/Komo
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Julez
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slin shady said:
So, if you've read that much why do you need to use gowth hormone at such an early stage.
You're right though, I guess that if you workd for your dad who is a city highflyer, could get away with taking meal breaks every 2-3 hours for 15 mins, send a couple of hours a night preparing the next days food(mayb less but I am fanatic) have no social life, have a VERY understanding wife(or your momma) to do your domestic shit. Than yeah, your right.
Anyway you sound like a kid with a chip on your shoulder- I just hope than when you come a cropper it is not too serious.
No, I don't think you know more about bb'ing than me.... no to say that younger people can't. You would'nt make statements like that otherwise.
BTW, I am much younger than 45 but I will always listen to those who've been in the business longer than I've been alive...... you never know you might learn something.
slin shady
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Julez
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slin shady said:
Your very lucky to be in this position. Wow to run a business and attend university full time, train at the gym 5 days a week, make 6/7 meals a day and have time to eat them. Let me guess, you have a housekeeper that takes care of the domestic side. Do you have a girldfriend?
On top of this you sleep 8 hours a night.
(and spend 1hour plus on this board tonight!)
Yup you impress me.
I never assume I have nothing to learn from anyone.
Your right about info..... I have free subscriptions to OVID, Medline, CINNAHL for a reason..... don't get me wrong I'm no heavy duty trainer but I know my shit when it comes anatomny and physology.
But then again I could bullshit and say anything I wanted as this is the internet and neither you or me have anyway of disproving ourselves.
I tell you what, if you send me some free supplements I will believe you.
slin shady
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slin shady
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Julez
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My profile says I'm not rich.
I work as a registered nurse, to you I guess I must be dirt poor. But hell I love my job. Trust me though, I know all about working. I actually resent you saying that I don't know much about work or that I am dirt poor.
I am currently studying for my masters part time. I don't have the luxury of being able to put down everything coz and eating my 3hrly snack when I want, although I do well.
At work, business must be slow in the supp. shop?
I manage to hit the gym most days..... 5 out of 7 most weeks.
I guess my biggest problem is the fact I like going out and partying with my friends occasionally and I read and write essays in my left over time and come over here a few times a week.
I love my life actually.
I tell you what send me a catalogue or email one.
And I am just a few years outta my twenties.
So, I am interested in your daily routine, maybe you could teach me your time-management secret.
I work as a registered nurse, to you I guess I must be dirt poor. But hell I love my job. Trust me though, I know all about working. I actually resent you saying that I don't know much about work or that I am dirt poor.
I am currently studying for my masters part time. I don't have the luxury of being able to put down everything coz and eating my 3hrly snack when I want, although I do well.
At work, business must be slow in the supp. shop?
I manage to hit the gym most days..... 5 out of 7 most weeks.
I guess my biggest problem is the fact I like going out and partying with my friends occasionally and I read and write essays in my left over time and come over here a few times a week.
I love my life actually.
I tell you what send me a catalogue or email one.
And I am just a few years outta my twenties.
So, I am interested in your daily routine, maybe you could teach me your time-management secret.
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Julez!
How hard is it really to eat every 3 hours, and to get 7 meals in every day?
To me it is a walk in the park, and I am a full time student + have got an evening job a couple of times every week..
Have some confidence man!
And I think you debate is useless... What if slin shady is lying... So what...
The real project on this thread is to prevent this young guy of ruining his health!!!
/Komo
How hard is it really to eat every 3 hours, and to get 7 meals in every day?
To me it is a walk in the park, and I am a full time student + have got an evening job a couple of times every week..
Have some confidence man!
And I think you debate is useless... What if slin shady is lying... So what...
The real project on this thread is to prevent this young guy of ruining his health!!!
/Komo
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Julez
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Komo said:
It is not easy, especially in my job. I am always busy and am generally responsible for anything between two critical ill patients that are on ventilators in ITU or 16 patients on a medical unit plas ancilliary staff. I sometimes work upto 14 hours at time.
And I am also p/t student.
We have to go off the ward to eat. I do just about manage it.
Yes, I agree I and him have no way of proving or dissproving anything.
So back the the point of this post....,
JULEZ
ok,you say you have all these subscriptions to all these magazines and you know your shit in anatomy and physiology.well i will ask you this,go up to any doctor and ask him or her about steriods and what they do to the body.you know very well the response you will get and 90% of it is going to be bullshit.thats what i believe you will get out of these magazines concerning steriod use and gh use.the medical profession is so far behind in the use of these drugs that the average user knows more about what steriods do to your body.and now onto gh,which even less is known about it and how it can be used in bodybuilding.serano was caught lying in their medical pamphlet about gh use for aids patients,inwhich they were missleading them in what gh would actually do.so my point is that you can not believe everything that you read,just because its on paper does not make it the truth.come on people i cant stand when someone doesnt know something but then tries to give somebody else advise.imo if you havent taken gh or know someone who has then you just dont know enough about it.again,give your oppions but do not say things are going to happen when you dont have proof or have even taken it before.you just dont know,period.i dont care what books you have read or journals.if its not a medical study based on bodybuilding,with the same factors then its crap to me.i am taking gh and i can tell you that for a fact it can give you painful joints and carpral tunnel in your wrists and i am still learning the effects of it.but i am going to listen to someone who has taken it longer then me and knows first hand what is going to happen because it happened to him.who cares what some heard it can do.i want facts not theories.
ok,you say you have all these subscriptions to all these magazines and you know your shit in anatomy and physiology.well i will ask you this,go up to any doctor and ask him or her about steriods and what they do to the body.you know very well the response you will get and 90% of it is going to be bullshit.thats what i believe you will get out of these magazines concerning steriod use and gh use.the medical profession is so far behind in the use of these drugs that the average user knows more about what steriods do to your body.and now onto gh,which even less is known about it and how it can be used in bodybuilding.serano was caught lying in their medical pamphlet about gh use for aids patients,inwhich they were missleading them in what gh would actually do.so my point is that you can not believe everything that you read,just because its on paper does not make it the truth.come on people i cant stand when someone doesnt know something but then tries to give somebody else advise.imo if you havent taken gh or know someone who has then you just dont know enough about it.again,give your oppions but do not say things are going to happen when you dont have proof or have even taken it before.you just dont know,period.i dont care what books you have read or journals.if its not a medical study based on bodybuilding,with the same factors then its crap to me.i am taking gh and i can tell you that for a fact it can give you painful joints and carpral tunnel in your wrists and i am still learning the effects of it.but i am going to listen to someone who has taken it longer then me and knows first hand what is going to happen because it happened to him.who cares what some heard it can do.i want facts not theories.
slin shady
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Julez,
Understand how it would be hard in the nursing profession to get your meals in,, I guess I'm lucky to have a job that allows me to do that. But other than that, its not much for free time until after 10, as if I'm not in school, I'm working, till 8 most nights.
Business is actually good this time of year, because everyone jumping on the new years resolution band wagon,
sorry if I offended by commenting on your lack of work ethic,
Understand how it would be hard in the nursing profession to get your meals in,, I guess I'm lucky to have a job that allows me to do that. But other than that, its not much for free time until after 10, as if I'm not in school, I'm working, till 8 most nights.
Business is actually good this time of year, because everyone jumping on the new years resolution band wagon,
sorry if I offended by commenting on your lack of work ethic,
Parabolan-
It is absolutely insane to even consider going on GH full time, forever, at your age. You are only 23 years old. You have your WHOLE life ahead of you. Just cycle moderately, never give up your lifting habits and maintain a clean diet and you WILL be the Alpha Male.
And ANY guy on this board that encourages a young guy like that to pursue this is at the minimum irresponsible. Dude, one day (and sooner than you think) you will be hitting 40. Trust me, when you do you want to look and feel your best. What do you think 17years of continous GH use is going to do to you?????
Have a little patience and enjoy life
It is absolutely insane to even consider going on GH full time, forever, at your age. You are only 23 years old. You have your WHOLE life ahead of you. Just cycle moderately, never give up your lifting habits and maintain a clean diet and you WILL be the Alpha Male.
And ANY guy on this board that encourages a young guy like that to pursue this is at the minimum irresponsible. Dude, one day (and sooner than you think) you will be hitting 40. Trust me, when you do you want to look and feel your best. What do you think 17years of continous GH use is going to do to you?????
Have a little patience and enjoy life
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