Fuck PUA

[BeaR]

I just cannot believe that people actually pay any attention to this trash. I mean, really dudes? really? Look, if you dont have game as it is, putting your nose in a book isnt going to help your case. I mean, seriously think about it! Why dont you have any luck with girls? Its probably because you are trying to find a way to "effortlessly" get every 10 you find instantly. Well, here's the truth, by reading these books and taking advice from these idiots you are fixing your mentality to a state where "girls are programmable devices" and "if i respond to her with this witty comeback her mind will be consumbed with me" .How about you just go TALK to a girl and BE YOURSELF. Dont be some sleezeball that tries to ease his way into a vag (unless you are really a sleezeball). Seriously, there is a high risk of you losing your actual personality by letting some weird mofo program you. Really, how long can you keep up this pua shit before it gets old? and what if its too late? what if youre in an actual relationship and the real you comes out. (you know, that video game loving idiot that knows everything and cant have a decent convo)

and why the hell do you need a book to tell you to talk to girls? its not very hard, I mean after all girls are just dudes without dicks........OH SNAP! THATS IT! treat girls like people and they will fuck you, hmmmmm. Nah, a smooth text msg would work best, right?


for reference, I'm 19 years old. Since I lost my V-Card at the age of 14, I've hooked up with over 50 girls all 8's and up from all demographics black,white,goth,prep,punk,latina,fat, skinny,gangsta,asian,arab, cougar. you name it ive drilled it. not to brag, but all it took me was a "hey whats up" and some convo. Now maybe I'm a natural at gaming girls so i cant put myself in your shoes. so if i offend anyone it wasnt my intent, I just cannot understand this damn pua craze these days.

 

[Canadian_Phil]

dude, I agree 100% If you look at the guys that write or read this shit, theyare all the nerds that have zero game, and had to resort to some lame " technique" to try and bag a girl. I am pretty experienced at 39, and I fnd having a clean cut look, and being way more fit and muscular than most people, and having just enough confidence, but not cocky is the right formula, at least for me.

 

[Hellawulf]

dude, I agree 100% If you look at the guys that write or read this shit, theyare all the nerds that have zero game, and had to resort to some lame " technique" to try and bag a girl. I am pretty experienced at 39, and I fnd having a clean cut look, and being way more fit and muscular than most people, and having just enough confidence, but not cocky is the right formula, at least for me.

I go clean cut, and I go with the rough look, depends on my surroundings, but I don't entirely agree, I don't think it is fair to some of these guys who aren't blessed with the natural ability to talk to a girl, yes it is an ability. Think about it, if you weren't as attractive as you say you are (which I am not doubting at all) how much game do you think you could play? When girls don't give you the time of day, a man must resort to something. Luckily my natural maturing in high school topped me off, and I learned after a few summers at the beach that going out to have fun, and not to get girls, is often the best way to pick up girls. I read How to Succeed with Women and The Game, and I noticed that a lot of the stuff I do naturally are in those books. It didn't change my personality at all, which can be described as emotional, talkative, and charismatic. I go out to get drunk and have a good time, and girls fall in line. I'm a closet nerd though, haha, I workout, play football and all that stuff, but I've got a Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3 setting at home. I've actually meet a really cute girl online before, through a friend, and ended up dating her for a few weeks. I have always looked at dating as a game though, whereas some people look at it as serious, I went to football camps to hone my skills, whats the difference? It didn't change my character, or my play style, but I became a better player, its like changing a defensive end to a sacking linebacker, sometimes (Demarcus Ware/ Shawne Merriman) its worth it. I'm not attacking ya'll but presenting the other side. If you worried you are about to be out played get a copy and read it, see what the fuss is about, besides I'm sure soon this will play out and the whole game will change, it happens every hundred years. I'm not even sure if I agree with everything I'm saying, but I want to bounce these thouhts out there.

 

[Hellawulf]

Also, many (if not most) of the guys on these forums are looking for fitness advice to get a better body, and most of those guys want this better body to attrract women. So should people not try to make themselves more attractive? I was one of those guys, I began working out, looking at it as a means to an end, but the gym became my temple (metaphorically - not an actual idol). I go there to relieve stress, to get that high I get from reaching PRs. My journey is a long one and is just beginning, but luckily I had a mentor I couldn't have paid enough for from these forums that set me straight. Again I ask what's the difference? If there are guys out there reading The Game then they are adapting, as is human nature. Again I state that I'm presenting the other side. If you read both my posts full through, thank you, and I will definately respect whatever your response may be.

 

[Hellawulf]

Actually I just started to read The Game, I don't like Negs, I definately would not be comfortable using a neg on a woman, something about a backhanded compliment, disguised as an insult makes me hate the idea, but I guess its like digging a hole to make a moutain.

 

[Sodam Yat]

bear, maybe you got the big dick? Could that be your secret weapon?

 

[chucktown04]

I think certain books could be helpful for some guys to gain confidence. Some people get stressed and feel awkard in social situations. As long as what you reading isn't based on manipulating people or deceiving "techniques" it may be ok. I totally agree you should be yourself but sometimes you may want to improve who you are and make youself a better person. A result of this is having a easier time talking to girls along with improvement in other areas of your life.

 

[iggy]

me thinks bear is jealous of that mystery dude

 

[RockNRollExpress]

Also, many (if not most) of the guys on these forums are looking for fitness advice to get a better body, and most of those guys want this better body to attrract women. So should people not try to make themselves more attractive?

And this is half the problem: You think that because men are attracted primarily to physically attractive women, then that's how women look at men. UNTRUE. My two roomates are both constantly getting laid, and one is a short and frail with a huge nose and the other is at least 70 lbs overweight. Women care about your personality and your confidence, period. The only time physical attractiveness comes into play is if two men with equal personalities and confidence are fighting over her...so in other words, if you have the same personality as everyone else, in which case you already failed.

If you want to develop your attractiveness, then develop yourself as a person (I know, sounds cheesy, but that's the only way I know how to word it). Get out. Get involved. Develop hobbies and skills. And be confident while doing it! You'll make yourself 10,000x more attractive thanreading this forum, trust me!

 

[Hellawulf]

And this is half the problem: You think that because men are attracted primarily to physically attractive women, then that's how women look at men. UNTRUE. My two roomates are both constantly getting laid, and one is a short and frail with a huge nose and the other is at least 70 lbs overweight. Women care about your personality and your confidence, period. The only time physical attractiveness comes into play is if two men with equal personalities and confidence are fighting over her...so in other words, if you have the same personality as everyone else, in which case you already failed.

If you want to develop your attractiveness, then develop yourself as a person (I know, sounds cheesy, but that's the only way I know how to word it). Get out. Get involved. Develop hobbies and skills. And be confident while doing it! You'll make yourself 10,000x more attractive thanreading this forum, trust me!

Thats my philosophy, I was pointing out that body building is misused by many guys to gain attractiveness to gain girls. I know in my area, some of the most attractive guys aren't very good socially or are complete jerks, they get girls occasionally but not nearly as much as I do. Thats not to say that attractiveness doesn't play a part. I'm a fairly attractive guy, but what gets me most of my play is my way with words.

 

[Hellawulf]

If the "more nervous" guys would just remember that girls are people too then it might be less stressfull. Bottom line is, not every woman will find you appealing just as you will not find all women appealing. It's a numbers game really. The more people you approach, the higher your rate of success will be.

Men, think, what do I have to offer that a woman should WANT to engage me. If the answer is "very litte/nothing" then, yes some self-improvement tips might go a long way. Make yourself the kind of man that a quality woman would be interested in and just talk to women and you will do just fine. It's not about the amount of phone numbers or giggles you get from women. It is about the quality women who give you their time.

Oh and as for the size of one's "manhood", well THE LEAST accurate measure is the size of your johnson as a quality woman won't even THINK about that right out of the starting gate. Maybe the trashy myspace skanks with no self-respect... but if that is your idea of "quality woman" then ignore EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY.

Numbers Game, I'm suprised you know what that is. Number Games are good for the guys that are new to meeting girls, but not for guys who have experience in the field. If you want quality girls, then you have to break bitches and snobs into liking you atleast temporarily so that you can actually get to know them. The ones who are good, are the ones that don't accept rejection, but you can't start out this way or you will just be the "creep".

Self improvement...

Manhood, size doesn't matter... the g-spot is 1-2 inches inside the vagina, and the clit is right on the front. Stimulate both and she will be yours.

"Girls are like mats, lay them right the first time and you can walk all over them for years to come" (I don't endorse this joke, but I do find it funny)

-"I used to be so well rounded, now I tiptoe on hell's boundaries"

 

[Wulfgar]

what does PUA stand for?

 

[Sodam Yat]

Manhood, size doesn't matter... the g-spot is 1-2 inches inside the vagina, and the clit is right on the front. Stimulate both and she will be yours.

LOL that's true.

But, women are dumb!

you won't believe how many girls I've met from 18 to 26 or so that say that size does matter. Yes, they're stupid

one dummy I met dumped her boyfreind after they watched a porno together.
Lesson: If you got a small wee wee, don't watch a porno with your girlfreind.




















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[RockNRollExpress]

Numbers Game, I'm suprised you know what that is. Number Games are good for the guys that are new to meeting girls, but not for guys who have experience in the field. If you want quality girls, then you have to break bitches and snobs into liking you atleast temporarily so that you can actually get to know them. The ones who are good, are the ones that don't accept rejection, but you can't start out this way or you will just be the "creep".

Self improvement...

Manhood, size doesn't matter... the g-spot is 1-2 inches inside the vagina, and the clit is right on the front. Stimulate both and she will be yours.

"Girls are like mats, lay them right the first time and you can walk all over them for years to come" (I don't endorse this joke, but I do find it funny)

-"I used to be so well rounded, now I tiptoe on hell's boundaries"

Um, I think you missed her point, dude haha.

She isn't refering to some magical technique called "numbers game", she's using the expression. Her point is just guys who are successful talk to a lot of women. The more people you talk to, the more likely you'll find someone who likes you.

 

[RockNRollExpress]

LOL that's true.

But, women are dumb!

you won't believe how many girls I've met from 18 to 26 or so that say that size does matter. Yes, they're stupid

one dummy I met dumped her boyfreind after they watched a porno together.
Lesson: If you got a small wee wee, don't watch a porno with your girlfreind.

Um, perhaps you struggle getting laid because you lack respect for women. Thinking women are "dumb" is never a good mindset to have, especially when you seem to have the intelligence of a brick.

And the reason many women say size matters is because YES, if you plan on straight jackhammering away without any clue of what you're doing in bed, as most men (and probably you) do in bed, size will matter to her. That explains the "dumb" women you've talked to.

 

[Sodam Yat]

Um, perhaps you struggle getting laid because you lack respect for women. Thinking women are "dumb" is never a good mindset to have, especially when you seem to have the intelligence of a brick.

And the reason many women say size matters is because YES, if you plan on straight jackhammering away without any clue of what you're doing in bed, as most men (and probably you) do in bed, size will matter to her. That explains the "dumb" women you've talked to.

Dude, your an idiot. Nothing you said made sense. Fuckin retard.

Woman are obsessed with size - visually - not because of this lame Jackhammering theory of yours.

I love how you accuse me of "struggling to get laid" and "have no clue what to do in bed"

Your one ignorant fuck. You made all that up. Get a clue and go by facts genius.

I'm sure you "respect" them. LOL you must be the 'nice guy' LOL!

Only nice guy wimps respect woman. You must be american. LOL

 

[RockNRollExpress]

And you can't even use "you're" in correct context.

I've had what I've written here validated by old partners. And also, if you noticed, I never said that women didn't like the visual stimulus. I just don't think that's the main reason. For someone who calls others "ignorant fucks", you sure are very closed minded.

And that's the impressive strawman you built up there by claiming that since I have respect for women, I'm a pushover. *HINT* You obviously aren't smart enough to know what a strawman debating tactic is, look it up*. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to be in control while still treating people with respect. Perhaps you should look up who Eli Manning, Tony Dungy, and Georges St. Pierre are, for example. On second thought, don't bother. I'm judging by the strawmen you rely on and the fact that you copy and paste terms from online dating manuals that you are incapable of coherent thought.

P.S. Born in Athens, so looks like you're wrong there, too.

 

[Sodam Yat]

mooohahaha....

And you can't even use "you're" in correct context.

oh, soory that I'm wrizing to fast again and not editing. But, hey, I just misspelled sorry agggain so Iii must be a dunnyy.

stop with the lame "you can't spell" defense.

I've had what I've written here validated by old partners. And also, if you noticed, I never said that women didn't like the visual stimulus. I just don't think that's the main reason. For someone who calls others "ignorant fucks", you sure are very closed minded.

Dude, stop twisting things around.

Validated by partners? So, what did they say? And what is this "other" that you THINK is the problem?

answer: It's called stupidity.

The only other answer is that "they feel full". Even so, this does not increase the pleasure whatsoever.

And that's the impressive strawman you built up there by claiming that since I have respect for women, I'm a pushover. *HINT* You obviously aren't smart enough to know what a strawman debating tactic is, look it up*. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to be in control while still treating people with respect. Perhaps you should look up who Eli Manning, Tony Dungy, and Georges St. Pierre are, for example. On second thought, don't bother. I'm judging by the strawmen you rely on and the fact that you copy and paste terms from online dating manuals that you are incapable of coherent thought.

I never said I disrespect women in a way that I treat them badly. I respect myself not to be push around .

I love how you keep claiming that I get my info. from self-help books. Looks like you got an insecurity. Is this what you do?

 

[Hellawulf]

RNR Express - I know what "numbers game" is. And I was a fan of it when I first started talking to girls, it was all about (because I was like 15-16) "Hey bro, I was with a girl every night this weekend." Quantity is only good, until you discover quality. As for your flame war...
Sodam - 16-24 year old girls are my specialty - they aren't dumb, they just don't know better (but they are evil) and I see why you say he must be American. As an American (and damn proud of it), most guys don't have any clue how to be sexual with women, because society over here has pussied them out, thats why PUA has become fairly popular, hopefully we will be able to desocietize our women. I think there are higher proportions of European guys who are successful with women than American.
RNR Ex - I don't want to take sides here, but seriously a grammar strike? Also as a chargers fan, I hate Eli Manning. But you have a point about being able to respect women, but it depends on what your idea of respect is. For example, I don't buy women drinks when I meet them and I rarely pay for the first date (but normally no money is needed anyways). Also, I try to date around 3-4 girls at all times, with a few coming and going. I don't hide it from them, I've talked about other dates with my dates before. Also women are sexual beings, something that American society tries to deny, so we call girls who accept their sexualness "sluts". I've never paid a girl for sex, therefore I've never slept with a slut. That said, I love acting like I'm going to try for sex with a girl, then pulling away at the last second, this drives them crazy, and it is no longer me "using" them but them actually wanting me. Also, I do pay for the dates after the first date, because I don't want to be lame, but I do want to set a standard that I'm not the average guy who they can use for free movies and dinners (they do this, and if you don't believe me, be legit with one and ask, she will eventually admit it). Finally, they normally have a lot of fun with me. I like being creative with my dates, and doing crazy stuff, spontanuity is a blessing my friend.
Sodam - big genitalia helps, but isn't necessary, therefore I'm kinda supporting your view, normally the reason for size comparison isn't because of actual satisfaction in bed (hell look at the Indians, according to Manswers the average size of penises over there is like 4.9 inches, whereas in America it is like 6.0, and they wrote the Karma Sutra), the reason for the comparison is because it is thought to be an indicator of how masculine a male is, like because he has a big wang he is stronger and healthier therefore a better mate. In the end, it doesn't matter... but I have watched porn with a few girls, and it became very interesting... I would recommend it (if she's ok with it).

The famous wise saying "when you see a woman and an opportunity, don't screw the opportunity."

 

[Nomak666]

PUA "works" without a doubt. but i believe it is 100% for people who are "nerds" or "geeks" like the ones on the show. not everyone is blessed to be good looking, and this is the option they have. because now and days, first impressions mean everything. if you are a good looking guy, then most of the tactics would just make you seem weird or creepy. thats just my opinion.

 

[chris302001]

Manhood, size doesn't matter... the g-spot is 1-2 inches inside the vagina, and the clit is right on the front. Stimulate both and she will be yours.

LOL that's true.

But, women are dumb!

you won't believe how many girls I've met from 18 to 26 or so that say that size does matter. Yes, they're stupid

one dummy I met dumped her boyfreind after they watched a porno together.
Lesson: If you got a small wee wee, don't watch a porno with your girlfreind.

lol no surprise you'd say this. How's that light switch dick treating you anyway?

 

[DJ_UFO]

light switch?
bwahahaha!

 

[doublebicep]

what does PUA stand for?

PUA = Pick Up Artist

 

[downunder hunter]

I read all that SHIT and thats what it was just all SHIT in that thread just to find out what PUA stands for and now I know

 

[Foxxxy]

Jesus, Why is there so much hate in this thread, respect people, Here at E.F were all family, respect eachother!

 

[downunder hunter]

Jesus, Why is there so much hate in this thread, respect people, Here at E.F were all family, respect eachother!

I hear ya, OP is just talking himself up sounds like a tool then otheres chimed in and were acting like girls flaming each other very gay, just putting it out there

Ill stay out of this forum from now on.. back to the ass forum for me

 

[jon1320]

PUA isn't all bs bros....
the general sterotype is that it's pretty 'weird' so to say.

But in all honesty... us men can pass the MCATS, we can bench 500, we can make $200k a year..... but...... can't pick up the chick we want...

some of this PUA stuff teaches that we need to find our inner game and purpose, and not dishing out pickup lines and that kind of swag.
Most of us men have no idea how to treat or meet women... and ponder why all the asshole jerks get them..

It's all a part of attraction, which isn't a choice...
a woman can't consciously choose which man she wants to be attracted to, it just happens!

some of this game pua stuff that has such a 'bad' rap, isn't what most people think it is.

It just lets you step back a sec and realize what life is all about..... and how women think (which is illogical)

david deangelo and RSD are pretty legit sources for elite game.

anways, i read the book the game, and seen the tv shows.... that stuff is bs. tbh. it really saddens me that they make a tv show about this shit.

 

[aj13]

lol fuk i just read this whole thing to find out about wtf PUA was

wata waste to see guys argue about penis size again

No shit haha fucking insecure weasels

 

[kpipalldaway]

some pua is bull shit, and stupid, like the mystery method. its all about being something your not. where as the game by neil stauss is based on building your game on top of your personality. Iv never had a problem getting girls, i picked up the book because my roommate was really into it. unfortunately he took it a little over board for awhile, but has gotten back on track.
pua has to be taken with a grain of salt, its all about social dynamics. which is a science. Knowing what things attract a women, and what dont. negs are actually killer, it makes the female feel like they need to go out of their way to impress you, the biggest thing i picked up from reading those books was the approach. You should never use a line, girls see right through that, you have to be spontaniuos, make them laugh, keep them entertained, make a physical connection, thats it, the pua just helps guys that dont know what their doing. i would say it help my game by 30% and I had good game to begin with. but i have seen it help people with no game, and who never got laid. So yes lots of its bullshit but it also has a lot of good information, that just needs to be taken with a grain of salt

ps sorry if my post is really jumbled im on the verge of passing out