From 41 inches waist to 33.8 inches in 8 weeks and bigger arms at the same time

[VictorBR]

I call BS!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to make lean muscle gains while on a caloric deficient diet.

>>> LOL , ok it is impossible then ! You guys are right ! LOL


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

have to disagree with youbro.. i've never been over 10%in my life. and i dont work out my abs at all, ever. even at around 6-7% my abs are not "showing" unless i flex them a little, i just dont have development there.
look at this pic, that is with them flexed, and i dare you to tell me i have a high BF%....
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4900/photo216xy.jpg
this was during a bulking cycle, and i was retaining a little water and bloat around the midsection, but my bf is not high and my abs are hard to see normally

>>>> Exactly , when you see that skinny guy on the streets , and you can barely see his biceps , shoulders or tris , even thought he is at a low percent bodyfat , that is because his muscles are not developed . For you muscles to show , you need low percent % AND FULLY DEVELOPED MUSCLES , NOT just low percent bodyfat .

I reaaly never trained my abs with consistency , I will start doing this now and see what happens .


Victor

 

[needsize]

I've said this a number of times before, for an advanced lifter/bodybuilder, I dont believe its possible to lose fat and gain mass at the same time, its too damn hard just to gain mass period. But there can be exceptions, ie, say you have been clean for a while, and have lost a bunch of muscle mass. Then you jump on a cycle, even in a calorie deficit, you may be able to put on mass that you already had before.
With people newer to training, the rules can be very different

 

[wayneboard1]

>>> You see , there are good things about being an endo-mesomorph . I for example can easily grow on low calorie as long as I keep my protein very high , as you can see I am 209 pounds and NEVER did a bulking cycle ( eating above BMR ) or a BULKING DIET in my life . Since I started bodybuilding I have always been fighting to get rid of fat so always low calories , always cutting ...etc...

Being an endmorph ain't that bad like people make it to be , I took a vacation for 4 months before starting this regimen and I wasn't eating protein at all , no training , only junk food for 4 months and still only lost around 3 pounds of muscle , and that is with no protein and no training for 4 months , ok I was eating high calories but all junk , I should have lost more than 3 lbs of muscle that is for sure .

My last cycle was 2002 eating 2000 cals for 8 weeks , very small doses of EQ ( 350 week) , winny ( 50 ED ) and HGH ( 2 IU ED ) and still gained something like 8 pounds of muscle .

I can get fat by just looking at food , but I also can grow by just looking at the weights , so it is a double edge sword .



Victor

That last sentence is me in a nutshell. man, good to know there are others in this boat that hears the donuts calling to them at 3AM. Damm entemens........*drool* I must of missed this post when it started so good work bro those are awesome results.

 

[VictorBR]

I've said this a number of times before, for an advanced lifter/bodybuilder, I dont believe its possible to lose fat and gain mass at the same time, its too damn hard just to gain mass period. But there can be exceptions, ie, say you have been clean for a while, and have lost a bunch of muscle mass. Then you jump on a cycle, even in a calorie deficit, you may be able to put on mass that you already had before.
With people newer to training, the rules can be very different

>>> Exactly , I was 4 MONTHS OFF THE GYM and off protein , I was just eating junk food and relaxing , I have been working out and dieting for my whole life so I said : " You know what ? I need a break " , and then 4 months without TOUCHING a weight or eating anything close TO DECENT .

I gained a LOT of fat ( of course ) and lost some muscle , just a lil bit .

When I got back to the gym and increased my protein intake dramatically , I really just gained what I have lost in the first place , muscles have memory and it is not hard to get them back to the SIZE they were before you lost them

AND like I said ,I was off CREATINE for 3 years and started using PURE CEE , I am sure it helped me a LOT .


NOw , of course like needsize said Ronnie Coleman can not put on a single pound of mass when DIETING ( caloric deficit ) because he already carries 300 pounds of mass , he is at a point that for him to gain mass he probably need 20.000 calories a day , but I think , and you probably agree that I am pretty different from Ronnie Coleman as he is 300 lbs and 3 % when I am 209 lbs and 12 % .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

That last sentence is me in a nutshell. man, good to know there are others in this boat that hears the donuts calling to them at 3AM. Damm entemens........*drool* I must of missed this post when it started so good work bro those are awesome results.

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

 

[mendo]

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

What kind foods did you eat on your 10,000 cal off days?

 

[wayneboard1]

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

hey thanks man...now I am STARVING! LOL

 

[VictorBR]

hey thanks man...now I am STARVING! LOL

>>>> LOL my bad

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

What kind foods did you eat on your 10,000 cal off days?

>>> All kinds of junk food you can imagine . RARELY instead of 10.000 calories of junk food I would go for like 5000-7000 calories of good stuff , but most of the time was junk food like pizza ( extra cheese , cheddar cheese ) , cheese bread , mexican , double fudge brownies etc , hersheys milkshakes etc.... Those hersheys milkshakes have 100 g sugar each one LOL , after taking it my insulin levels would spike so much and make me so tired that I would HAVE to fall asleep


Victor