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man o man.. got some muscle milk cuz i love the taste.. then my trainer sends it to some place to see if it show up in a drug test.. and wud u know it has some kind of thing in it that is like IGF-1 which the ncaa banned...he also said to much protein can come back positive for AAS because it acts as a masking agent so it covers up wutever AAS u have and that they then have to analyze other stuff.. man sports these days o well guess i will just have to be the all natural f ball player.. o also he said GNC and vitamine shoppe sell so me things that will also come up positive cuz he says the FDA does not regulate it is this true?
 
Lol... failing a drug test because of too much protein? What has this world come to? I said a few years ago that as soon as the FDA realized that FOOD was anabolic... it'd be illegal. Looks like were on our way... we'll all be eating MRE's issued by the FDA from now on... but only so many a day!
 
becasue they say protein acts as a masking agent to cover up something else.. im not a doctor lol plus this guy was witht he saints for a long time so id assume he knows his stuff about drug test with the NFL and all
 
oh man he did say when he was doin track stuff some guy got suspended for the year for takin a GNC recovery supplement.. uhh give me the guys first name and well see if they match lol
 
first off i never knew too many people with amazing gains of muscle milk.... second the absorption rate of igf-1 orally is prolly very low compared to inject... almost so low its pointless.


but the supplement industry can be summed up in two words. PATRICK ARNOLD


guy was a genius.
1-ad
trenabol-x
balco


hes designed designer steroids that were tech. legal but still gave good results to those who wanted to be" ON" during the season but wanted to avoid getting caught at all times.... :coffee:


u d-1 football?
 
kmoe42 said:
man o man.. got some muscle milk cuz i love the taste.. then my trainer sends it to some place to see if it show up in a drug test.. and wud u know it has some kind of thing in it that is like IGF-1 which the ncaa banned...he also said to much protein can come back positive for AAS because it acts as a masking agent so it covers up wutever AAS u have and that they then have to analyze other stuff.. man sports these days o well guess i will just have to be the all natural f ball player.. o also he said GNC and vitamine shoppe sell so me things that will also come up positive cuz he says the FDA does not regulate it is this true?
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im calling bullshit on this one....
:freak:
 
JuicedAthletics said:
you guys are hilarious......

i wonder if there are banned substances in my cinnamin toast crunch.. i better send it out to SCRC labs....
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reminds me of people that claimed the protien poweder " hott stuff xxx" back in 1987 made then test positive becuase it had sasparilla root in it.
 
well when he is pretty convincing about it and sends the stuff to something called drug free sports some kind of organization or lab i dunno but he showed me the exact name of wut was in it that could possibly show up on a roid test.. and yes i believe it when he says the FDA cannot regulate everything GNC sells... and yes i believe when he says his track guy got tested positive using that recovery stuff from GNC and the drug free place said not to use it... i dont argue hes been with many NFL teams and college he knows his stuff.. and hey i dont want to risk my whole season down the drain cuz of muscle milk.
 
kmoe42 said:
well when he is pretty convincing about it and sends the stuff to something called drug free sports some kind of organization or lab i dunno but he showed me the exact name of wut was in it that could possibly show up on a roid test.. and yes i believe it when he says the FDA cannot regulate everything GNC sells... and yes i believe when he says his track guy got tested positive using that recovery stuff from GNC and the drug free place said not to use it... i dont argue hes been with many NFL teams and college he knows his stuff.. and hey i dont want to risk my whole season down the drain cuz of muscle milk.
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sounds like your good to go use alot of roids then point at the muscle milk. Might wanna buy some"almost jucing " also to add to it.
 
man i dunno wut it is.. i called BS on it to...but why risk it .. but tell me this does GNC sell products that would show up on a drug test?
 
i know they will pin u for anything on drug test now a days... ya keep comin with the sarcastic remarks i guess im sorry for postin my info.. i know it all sounds stupid but i was just curious.. and dont answer unless ur educated and 100% sure of ur answer just cuz GNC sells it i know u think its all gimmicks which it is but these gimmicks might have a fraction of some illegal compund in them that might test positive
 
well a lot of athletes would be in trouble if that were the case. terrell owens is known for using muscle milk and no2. muscle milk is loved by athletes i highly doubt that it will make you posi on a test. i don't think you are full of shit at all, its a valid question if you are worried and it might effect you. bro thats like saying that seeing a hot bitch will boost your test and cause you to piss hot. come on
 
protein would not mask anabolics or other performance enhancing drugs....they are just protein and their constituant aminos and their by products. Full-o-shit
 
kmoe42 said:
i know they will pin u for anything on drug test now a days... ya keep comin with the sarcastic remarks i guess im sorry for postin my info.. i know it all sounds stupid but i was just curious.. and dont answer unless ur educated and 100% sure of ur answer just cuz GNC sells it i know u think its all gimmicks which it is but these gimmicks might have a fraction of some illegal compund in them that might test positive
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lol i think this thread made my IQ drop, anyway muscle milk i HEAR is not a good post workout protein shake because part of its protein is casein
 
instant.muscle said:
lol i think this thread made my IQ drop, anyway muscle milk i HEAR is not a good post workout protein shake because part of its protein is casein
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Wow, this thread is simply amazing. Ok, Muscle Milk sucks as a post-workout. Stick to Hydrolyzed Whey/Whey Isolate and Dextrose or Maltodextrin.

Second, read labels...know what you are putting in your body. Learn the ingredients. I interned two years as a strength and conditioning coach for a Division 1 school and you need to tell your "trainer" he is full of shit. Make him tell you the exact substance that was in Muscle Milk that would cause you to test positive for a test. I am calling bullshit on this one. You better hope his training knowledge is better than his supplement knowledge or you should just mail your money to me.
 
rocuhfella07 said:
Wow, this thread is simply amazing. Ok, Muscle Milk sucks as a post-workout. Stick to Hydrolyzed Whey/Whey Isolate and Dextrose or Maltodextrin.

Second, read labels...know what you are putting in your body. Learn the ingredients. I interned two years as a strength and conditioning coach for a Division 1 school and you need to tell your "trainer" he is full of shit. Make him tell you the exact substance that was in Muscle Milk that would cause you to test positive for a test. I am calling bullshit on this one. You better hope his training knowledge is better than his supplement knowledge or you should just mail your money to me.
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r u agreeing with me that muscle milk is shitty PW drink?
 
protien will not cause someone to test positive for steriods! thats just silly! so every athlete who eats alot of meat would be testing positive? lol
 
booby said:
protien will not cause someone to test positive for steriods! thats just silly! so every athlete who eats alot of meat would be testing positive? lol
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damn! so ronnie coleman is all natural?!?!?
 
kmoe42 said:
oh man he did say when he was doin track stuff some guy got suspended for the year for takin a GNC recovery supplement.. uhh give me the guys first name and well see if they match lol
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There are a lot of products sold at many health stores, not just GNC, that are banned by the NCAA.


I played Divison 1 football for 4 years in college. :coffee:
 
chazk said:
reminds me of people that claimed the protien poweder " hott stuff xxx" back in 1987 made then test positive becuase it had sasparilla root in it.
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Sasparilla root is a flower they use as a base to convert to synthetic testosterone in the pharma industry. I think Hot Stuff had the converted root rather than the raw, at least at first when ppl were seeing progress on it. :)
 
Yeah, I've heard about MM having a compound that comes up positive when being tested.. apparently a bunch of division 1 atheltes have been suspended because of it.
 
chazk said:
reminds me of people that claimed the protien poweder " hott stuff xxx" back in 1987 made then test positive becuase it had sasparilla root in it.
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Supposedly that stuff turned out to be spiked with anadrol. Or the first few batches anyhow.
 
haha hold on .. i wanted to let this post die out cuz i was sounding like an idiot the more and more i read BUT he is emailin me the name of the substance in it that is also a substance or compound in IGF-1
 
colustrum is the name of the compound in muscle milk also found in IGF-1.. and im not sayin muscle milk will test positive.. but wut about the other stuff GNC sells that the FDA cant regulate.. and i just like the taste of muscle milk its not my pure source for protein i just have to have it for b fast with my eggs and sausage cuz it is sweet to me.
 
o im not natural.. i was running EQ with dbol then switchin to t bol and var with EQ now have to quit everything altogether and find out how to get it out of my system...
 
bruce410 said:
well a lot of athletes would be in trouble if that were the case. terrell owens is known for using muscle milk and no2. muscle milk is loved by athletes i highly doubt that it will make you posi on a test. i don't think you are full of shit at all, its a valid question if you are worried and it might effect you. bro thats like saying that seeing a hot bitch will boost your test and cause you to piss hot. come on
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terrell owens needs to take some common sense supps and start getting to HIS OWN camp on time!
 
rocuhfella07 said:
Wow, this thread is simply amazing. Ok, Muscle Milk sucks as a post-workout. Stick to Hydrolyzed Whey/Whey Isolate and Dextrose or Maltodextrin.

Second, read labels...know what you are putting in your body. Learn the ingredients. I interned two years as a strength and conditioning coach for a Division 1 school and you need to tell your "trainer" he is full of shit. Make him tell you the exact substance that was in Muscle Milk that would cause you to test positive for a test. I am calling bullshit on this one. You better hope his training knowledge is better than his supplement knowledge or you should just mail your money to me.
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This is not correct. A label will not tell you what you are putting in your body... There are so many scams and misconceptions out there that labels are not trust worthy
 
by the wqay rocuhfella i did read the label...colostrum extract .. which colustrum is found in IGF-1... and these to colustrums are said to be similar.. so wut would make them non similar on a drug test
 
under ingredients it says

REFERENCES:1)mero,A, et al: effects of bovine colostrum supplementation on serum IGF-1,IgG, hormone and saliva IgA during training


i mean why is everyone callin me an idiot?
 
so now with all this said .. can i get a straight answer instead of a no ur a dumb idiot answer... is it possible for this to show up on a drug test?
 
so everyone who was callin me dumb has nothing to say... ya thats how it usually is one person dis agrees then everyone else jumps on the band wagon.. thanks for bein reasonable bruce and johnson
 
get a new trainer...he's full of it. The IGF in muscle milk is first a small small percentage. second it IGF is destroyed in heat even at room temp it doesnt last long. IGF is destroyed orally also. Colustrum is from breast milk after the first few days of giving birth, The colustrum that is processed uses heat to dry it, the heat destroys the IGF. You will not get any IGF from muscle milk peroid. You can not test for protien in your urine unless you are diabetic. They do not test for this anyways
 
Disagreeing doesn't make someone unreasonable. It makes people normal, that's how we learn from one another, we disagree.

Yes, Colostrum does contain IGF-1. However, studies have shown that athletes supplementing 60g's of pure Bovine Colostrum showed no elevated blood levels of IGF-1. So I highly doubt that Muscle Milk is going to contain enough colostrum per serving or per several servings to elevate or effect IGF-1 levels whatsoever.

If you want to be safe, switch to a simple whey.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
LOL.. I didn't go anywhere. I just wanted to take a break from laughing at whoever told you that you will fail a drug test from MM... Its amusing, carry on....
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so what it looks like it comes down to is.... NO... your piss will not fail a drug test...
 
are we sure about this? I would follow caution first and read the rules before saying absolutely no. If one were to swallow some colostrum pills or a protein drink and then told he was being randomly tested say 2 hours later, they would pass 100% of the time no matter who there were and no matter how sensitive the equipment (high throuput screening/ HPLC/Liquid Chromatography/Mass Spec)

I don't feel comfortable saying absolutly no where there is so many variables in such a case. I'd rather be safe then sorry when you are in a random drug test situation
 
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gjohnson5 said:
are we sure about this? I would follow caution first and read the rules before saying absolutely no. If one were to swallow some colustrum pills or a protein drink and then told he was being randomly tested say 2 hours later, they would pass 100% of the time no matter who there were and no matter how sensitive the equipment (high throuput screening/ HPLC/Liquid Chromatography/Mass Spec)

I don't feel comfortable saying absolutly no where there is so many variables in such a case. I'd rather be safe then sorry when you are in a random drug test situation
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I'll say it than ABSOLUTELY NO!

YES they would pass 100% of the time!
 
X Man said:
first off i never knew too many people with amazing gains of muscle milk.... second the absorption rate of igf-1 orally is prolly very low compared to inject... almost so low its pointless.


but the supplement industry can be summed up in two words. PATRICK ARNOLD


guy was a genius.
1-ad
trenabol-x
balco


hes designed designer steroids that were tech. legal but still gave good results to those who wanted to be" ON" during the season but wanted to avoid getting caught at all times.... :coffee:


u d-1 football?
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HEY BRO YOUR MUCH SMARTER THAN THE PERSONA YOU PERCIEVE

just a few weeks ago you didnt know what a first cycle was,


i have my eye on you
 
MTS said:
get a new trainer...he's full of it. The IGF in muscle milk is first a small small percentage. second it IGF is destroyed in heat even at room temp it doesnt last long. IGF is destroyed orally also. Colustrum is from breast milk after the first few days of giving birth, The colustrum that is processed uses heat to dry it, the heat destroys the IGF. You will not get any IGF from muscle milk peroid. You can not test for protien in your urine unless you are diabetic. They do not test for this anyways
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We're not talking about IGF-1 that comes out of a vial , were talking about food that contains IGF-1. apples and oranges

Also any decent colostrum I buy is Lyophilized (freeze dried)
 
well i stand corrected and apologize to all.. but i appreciate the input but i dont like it when people call me a dumbass and jump on the band wagon just cuz everyone else disagress... thanks to all who provided evidence and not just laughed cuz everyone else was
 
Now I will say no as well after actually researching the subject specifically on colustrum supplementation

Effect of bovine colostrum on anaerobic exercise performance and plasma insulin-like growth factor I.Buckley JD, Brinkworth GD, Abbott MJ.
School of Health Sciences, University of South Australia, Holbrooks Road, Underdale, SA 5032, Australia. [email protected]

In this study, we examined the effects of bovine colostrum on peak vertical jump power (VJpeak), peak cycle power (CPpeak), alactic anaerobic work capacity, resistance exercise one-repetition maxima (1-RM) and plasma insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) concentrations. Using a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel design, 51 males completed 8 weeks of resistance and plyometric training while consuming 60 g x day(-1) of bovine colostrum (n = 26) or concentrated whey protein powder (n = 25). Peak vertical jump power, peak cycle power, alactic anaerobic work capacity, 1-RM and plasma IGF-I were not different between groups at baseline (P > 0.33). Peak vertical jump power and peak cycle power were still not significantly different between groups by week 4 (VJpeak: bovine colostrum, 7231 +/- 488 W; whey protein, 7214 +/- 530 W; P = 0.99; CPpeak: bovine colostrum, 1272 +/- 202 W; whey protein, 1232 +/- 208 W; P = 0.99). By week 8, however, peak vertical jump power (bovine colostrum, 7370 +/- 503 W; whey powder, 7237 +/- 481 W; 95% confidence intervals, 54 to 170 W; P < 0.01) and peak cycle power (bovine colostrum, 1400 +/- 215 W; whey protein, 1311 +/- 192 W; 95% confidence intervals, 20 to 61 W; P < 0.01) were significantly higher in the bovine colostrum condition. Alactic anaerobic work capacity and 1-RM increased (P < 0.001), but the increases were not different between groups (P > 0.08). Plasma IGF-I did not change in either group (P = 0.55). We conclude that bovine colostrum supplementation during training significantly increased peak anaerobic power, but had no effect on alactic anaerobic work capacity, 1-RM or plasma IGF-I.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Now I will say no as well after actually researching the subject specifically on colustrum supplementation

Effect of bovine colostrum on anaerobic exercise performance and plasma insulin-like growth factor I.Buckley JD, Brinkworth GD, Abbott MJ.
School of Health Sciences, University of South Australia, Holbrooks Road, Underdale, SA 5032, Australia. [email protected]

In this study, we examined the effects of bovine colostrum on peak vertical jump power (VJpeak), peak cycle power (CPpeak), alactic anaerobic work capacity, resistance exercise one-repetition maxima (1-RM) and plasma insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) concentrations. Using a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel design, 51 males completed 8 weeks of resistance and plyometric training while consuming 60 g x day(-1) of bovine colostrum (n = 26) or concentrated whey protein powder (n = 25). Peak vertical jump power, peak cycle power, alactic anaerobic work capacity, 1-RM and plasma IGF-I were not different between groups at baseline (P > 0.33). Peak vertical jump power and peak cycle power were still not significantly different between groups by week 4 (VJpeak: bovine colostrum, 7231 +/- 488 W; whey protein, 7214 +/- 530 W; P = 0.99; CPpeak: bovine colostrum, 1272 +/- 202 W; whey protein, 1232 +/- 208 W; P = 0.99). By week 8, however, peak vertical jump power (bovine colostrum, 7370 +/- 503 W; whey powder, 7237 +/- 481 W; 95% confidence intervals, 54 to 170 W; P < 0.01) and peak cycle power (bovine colostrum, 1400 +/- 215 W; whey protein, 1311 +/- 192 W; 95% confidence intervals, 20 to 61 W; P < 0.01) were significantly higher in the bovine colostrum condition. Alactic anaerobic work capacity and 1-RM increased (P < 0.001), but the increases were not different between groups (P > 0.08). Plasma IGF-I did not change in either group (P = 0.55). We conclude that bovine colostrum supplementation during training significantly increased peak anaerobic power, but had no effect on alactic anaerobic work capacity, 1-RM or plasma IGF-I.
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good research bro... you never fail to amaze me...
the reason i say no from the start is simply the fact that nobody has failed a test yet... and if... big if... it were possible... the odds of it happening... slim to none... it would have to be a freak situation... its a very popular product...
 
now another question i have is could GNC sell something besides muscle milk.. lets say their so called anabolic inhibitors or test boosters.. could these pop up on a drug test.. no i am not wastin my money on these things i mean i can get the real thing for half the price.. but i do have some buddies who buy this stuff and think they are safe from gettin popped could they show up?
 
kmoe42 said:
now another question i have is could GNC sell something besides muscle milk.. lets say their so called anabolic inhibitors or test boosters.. could these pop up on a drug test.. no i am not wastin my money on these things i mean i can get the real thing for half the price.. but i do have some buddies who buy this stuff and think they are safe from gettin popped could they show up?
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without researching... i'd say as long as it's not somthing on the list of banned substances (like someone else said some things at GNC are on this list...) ...the odds would be slim to none...
if it was a common thing to happen... there would be failed drug tests reported...
 
And as soon as I say this I find another study that says colostrum CAN infact increase serum IGF-1 levels...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12133885&dopt=Abstract

J Appl Physiol. 2002 Aug;93(2):732-9. Related Articles, Links


IGF-I, IgA, and IgG responses to bovine colostrum supplementation during training.

Mero A, Kahkonen J, Nykanen T, Parviainen T, Jokinen I, Takala T, Nikula T, Rasi S, Leppaluoto J.

Department of Biology of Physical Activity, 40351 Jyvaskyla, Finland. [email protected]

This study examined the effect of bovine colostrum (Dynamic colostrum) supplementation on blood and saliva variables (study 1) and the absorption of orally administered human recombinant insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I (rhIGF-I) labeled with 123I (123I-rhIGF-I) (study 2). In study 1, adult male and female athletes were randomly assigned in a double-blind fashion to either an experimental (Dynamic; n = 19) or a control (Placebo; n = 11) group. The former consumed daily 20 g of Dynamic supplement, and the latter 20 g of maltodextrin during a 2-wk training period. After bovine colostrum supplementation, significant increases were noticed in serum IGF-I (P < 0.01) and saliva IgA (P < 0.01) in Dynamic compared with Placebo. In study 2, gel electrophoresis was carried out in 12 adult subjects with serum samples taken 60 min after ingestion of 123I-rhIGF-I and showed peaks at 0.6 and at 40-90 kDa, with the former inducing 96% and the latter 4% of the total radioactivity. It was concluded that a long-term supplementation of bovine colostrum (Dynamic) increases serum IGF-I and saliva IgA concentration in athletes during training. Absorption data show that ingested 123I-rhIGF-I is fragmented in circulation and that no radioactive IGF-I is eluted at the positions of free, or the IGF, binding proteins, giving no support to the absorption of IGF-I from bovine colostrum.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12133885 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
gjohnson5 said:
20 grams of colostrum is a collossal dose. But once again there is a difference between slim and none
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is this the same colostrum that comes from a mother breastfeeding? if so... 20 grams would be easy to fed to a baby... my wife used a breast pump and put it in a bottle... it is different than the milk... the milk comes in after the colostrum... they are distinctly different...
if so... we need to have a breastfeeding infant drug tested...
 
theprofessor said:
is this the same colostrum that comes from a mother breastfeeding? if so... 20 grams would be easy to fed to a baby... my wife used a breast pump and put it in a bottle... it is different than the milk... the milk comes in after the colostrum... they are distinctly different...
if so... we need to have a breastfeeding infant drug tested...
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in terms of supplementation colostrum comes in at most 500mg pills. So 20grams is 40 times that. Huge dose... Yes we are talking about the same colostrum
 
yeah 60g and 20g is a huge dosage...i dont think there is even that much and a 6 pound bucket of muscle milk
 
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