Found out why i lost 17 pounds.

[macrophage69alpha]

in some studies...

low doses of exogenous testosterone decrease beta cell response as well as IL-6 levels...

HOWEVER at higher dosages, NO SUCH DECREASE is seen.


there is little research in this area... perhaps because testosterone is not a patentable drug and there are plenty of analogs that are..

from the limited studies that do exist...there is no conclusive evidence either way... there are indications of some suppressive effects, but those with respect to autoimmune and retroviral diseases are a good thing...

note - the dosages used in the studies is not comparable to use among athletes.. another issue that exists is the "rebound".. as many note.. there does tend to be suppressive effect, for some (as noted.. sust flu) which is temporary.. thereafter.. if you follow the health of most users one will find that they (completely anecdotal reference here) tend to be sick less often and for shorter periods of time..


most studies use TP.. which gives "burst" levels.. "highs and lows" and are "short term".. thus not indicating long term effects.. or the effects of more even blood levels...


however.. will change to IMHO testosterone, at sufficient supraphysiological levels, at least from anecdotal evidence, seems to improve immune response..

 

[BigAndy69]

Okay so the bottom line is test in very low doses improves immune fuction...but this means nothing to juicers since higher doses of test (say <100-200mg) supresses the immune function.

Good looking out Madcow.

 

[T2O]

Wow its funny I just saw this. I am on my last few days of test and anavars and for 10 days and my gains just stopped. I mixed some enth in with my cyp and upped the total doseage by 1cc and I got lightly sick a few days after this "mixed" shot. I am assuming my gains halted because of this???? Hmmmmm any ways it was a good cycle start my post soon and hope I can hold on to most of it.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I was mixing all my shots. Fina and Test. I am back and hitting the gym harder than ever. I still think it was the fina.

 

[bigdelt69]

I would like to see some more debate on this ammune system suppression. My doc says the same thing (about the test making things harder for the ammune system.) Allthough thier seems to be a debate over the issue.

West nile is some bad shit! I had dead birds all over my yard a couple of months ago.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Damn that's some scary shit. I thought the mosquito season was slowing down but then I was out in the back yard this weekend and there like a thousand small mosquitos in the grass. Obviously all the rain has spawned new flocks of mosquitos. It makes it scary to do any hunting right now. They bite you even though you spray with Deet.

Good thing you caught it early G18.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Damn I'm home sick with a cold with no appetite.. I feel weak and soft

Anyhow...it's fina/dbol time when I've recovered.

Heavy training by itself releases a good deal of free radicals into the system so daily anti-oxidants are a must.

 

[MoreBeefPlease]

golfer it is good your ok. but don't underestimate west nile i am near st louis and a friend of mine is a nurse she told me some shit about west nile and you were lucky. old people are the ones that are likely to die but it can put younger healthy people in to the hospital for a good amount of time.

glad your ok.

beef