Ford lost 12.7 BILLION dollars in 2006... how will that affect me buying a Tacoma?

[blueta2]

Re: Ford lost 12.7 BILLION dollars in 2006... how will that affect me buying a Tacoma

I will reiterate, and I will be correct once again; It is the shit product ford produces that is killing them. Produce something that works, works well, limited recalls, compete with foreign cars and it will sell, and sell well.

The costs of the union bullshit could then be absorbed.

True, but even when good products are made, the union still gives into to rising costs and the product whether good or bad will still be over looked. Maybe not with cars, but with other products.
Hey, the dollar stores are not filled with stuff MADE IN THE US ;-)

 

[manny78]

yes, manny, i agree.....a very few (compared to the rest of the people out there)intelligent, motivated, gifted, driven people in this world do push themselves to become entrapenuers (sp) and presue their dreams. i am all for this. i do not discourage it.

but MOST OF THE CITIZENS of our country, the people that work for a living everyday, the people who pay the taxes, the people who vote our politicians in and out of office, are not blessed with this ability. in spite of what kids are taught by their college professors, most of us college graduates will be working for someone else for a living....not being featured on the cover of forbes or newsweek.

THAT is why unions were formed...to protect the average joe from management's lust for power and profit at all costs.

Unions still have a purpose but in many cases they go too far. Ford and GM is a perfect example.

Now management is to blame. Dont get me wrong, they screwed up with so mnay decisions, so many 2nd grade products, stuff that cant compare to most japanese cars.

 

[rnch]

And they were great at the time. But unions have become too powerful.
There are many organizations within the workers comp boards that can protect as much as a union.
I'm staff and have no union fighting for my rights here. I have the HR dept, my big mouth and my workers board. The unions can and should have the same thing.
When WalMart employees wanted to go unionized, Walmart threatened to close the store and make sure they were all out of work. Those employees shut up quick. They are not being mistreated at Walmart.

thank you for you point of view.....management's point of view. your "worker's board" was copied from a process derived from a union origionated system.

if unions had not been around for all this time, who would protect workers from "my big mouth" ?

 

[rnch]

Re: Ford lost 12.7 BILLION dollars in 2006... how will that affect me buying a Tacoma

Hey, the dollar stores are not filled with stuff MADE IN THE US ;-)

perhaps because management, in their never ending quest for "profits at any cost", exported many formerly american assembly jobs to third world country assembly lines that pay their workes only a fraction of american workers, without most of the benefits american works have enjoyed for years and years?

 

[rnch]

Unions still have a purpose but in many cases they go too far. Ford and GM is a perfect example.

Now management is to blame. Dont get me wrong, they screwed up with so mnay decisions, so many 2nd grade products, stuff that cant compare to most japanese cars.

yes, manny, again i agree with you, SOME unions have gone too far.

but WHO signed these collective bargaining contracts?

MANAGEMENT!!!!


there is more than enough blame in the ford situation.....it cannot all be blamed on "those damn all too powerful unions".

 

[blueta2]

if unions had not been around for all this time, who would protect workers from "my big mouth" ?

Probably some strong woman ;-)

 

[SpringerFLSTS]

all you opro-management/union busting poeple give me a major case of the red-ass.

WHERE do ya'll think benefits like these came from?

8 hour per day/40 hours per week work schedule

paid vacations

breaks during the work day

paid holidays

pension plans

the salary you are making now


do ya'll really think all of the above came from the friendly, generous, bottomless basic goodness of management's corporate heart and/or from the tender concern that management has for the workers that are producing the product they sell to make their huge bonuses and generous stock options?

do ya'll also still believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy????


the benefits you enjoy, the safe working conditions you take for granted, the recourse you have against management retaliation....all are dreived from collective bargaining practices.

management cares about ONE thing....profits...into THEIR pockets. if they could slice your paycheck by 2/3, eliminate overtime pay, cut out the benefits you still have...........they would in a heartbeat.


ya'll recall the classic line form the old song "15 tons"...

"i owe my soul to the company store".

That is all fine and good but this pro union garbage is 30-50 year old thinking. They played thier part in history and now they are the reason shit is being made in Mexico or china. They are the dinosaur.

I worked for a union before and there was nothing more i wanted then out of it and believe me I tried. They kept the wages high for uneducated workers in their postions and for those of us educated in white collar positions they did f*ck all for us and our salaries were underpaid compared to non union in other companies.

I work for non union now and love it and have better benefits then before! Plus people work harder and don't sit on their on ass becuase if they do *poof* gone, no union to protect their lazy asses.

 

[HotBottom4U2NV]

The fusion just passed the camry as the best selling midsize car in the US. They aren't doing as badly as they want you and their employees to believe.

lol
you see how much their stock shares are currently?
compare that to 20 yrs ago and tell me they aren't doing bad.

 

[HotBottom4U2NV]

It's probably just best to stay the course here. Unions will eventually drag the US firms under, then the Japanese companies can acquire them. At that point the Japanese can either break the unions, ship all the jobs they can outside the US, or simply increase the price of cars in the US and pass those costs on to consumers.

It's kinda academic, actually. I'm not sure if it's funny or sad to watch the unions deny that all this is happening as it unfolds right in front of us though.

it's very sad bro. I live in big 3 heartland. the state used to boom, now it sucks...unemployment is like 7%, a lot of part makers have drastically downsized, etc...less people working-less money to spend-the whole fuggin state flops.
i find it hyporcritical that the same people proudly buying toyotas and hondas are the same people who are democrat and supported the UAW for all these decades. seems like they are totally abandoning them

 

[rnch]

yep, like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers years ago.

ahhhh, the irony here.... a man, a once upon the time card carrying union man, who got his start in political life by serving as the president of a union (SAG-Screen Actors Guild) who did his level best to bust unions and everything they stand/stood for.

amazing how some people forget their roots once they become rich.