For those who CYCLE and train for STRENGTH

[ryno9000]

The bold words are the important part here: For those who CYCLE, meaning you actually come OFF for a period of time, and for those who train for STRENGTH, not physique (powerlifters etc.)

My questions are these:

Lets say you are adding 5-10lbs/week to your lifts on the strength day (I do a quasi daily undulating periodization, so I have a hypertrophy day, light/technique speed day and a heavy day) when you are NOT ON GEAR, how do you adapt what jumps to make when you begin cycling, as jumps higher than 5-10 lbs are going to be possible because of the gear? Just do more weight accumulation sets until it feels "right" for the working weight?

Also, when you come OFF, how do you anticipate working set weight as your strength is declining?

Favorite strength gear/dosage that DOESN'T create nasty back pumps? I get them bad.

Also, only lifting 3-4 days/week as is common with strength/power training, should I dose orals lower on non-lifting days?

I've never focused on powerlifting specifically, so bear with me. I used to e a physique lifter.

 

[dbacik]

Stats and what cycles have you done or are you doing?

 

[ryno9000]

Stats and what cycles have you done or are you doing?

I've been on EF 7 years longer than you, but I'll play along.

28 years old next week.

5'11"
190 currently after an 18 month jail term...I lost a lot of weight.

It'll be shorter to list the gear that I have not run: Halo, Anadrol, Anavar. I try to stay away from nandrolones, as well as anything that is ultra-long estered.

I have pics on my profile and you can search my history of posts if necessary. This thread can actually be moved to "Weightlifting" forum since it may be more appropriate there.

 

[training700]

Keep the orals the same on off days. When on I will bump the weight up more as the compounds take affect. If are at a plateau and depending on the gear your on might still end up being only 5-10lbs which is really good when are pushing it.

Tren gave me bad back pumps but great strength gains. I would keep to lower reps and longer rest periods if need be.

Halo doesn't give me any problems with pumps and I feel really good and strong on it. Some people respond well strength wise to anavar and is mild so can run it longer. Be worth a shot. It can give some good pumps as well.

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[stevesmi]

The bold words are the important part here: For those who CYCLE, meaning you actually come OFF for a period of time, and for those who train for STRENGTH, not physique (powerlifters etc.)

My questions are these:

Lets say you are adding 5-10lbs/week to your lifts on the strength day (I do a quasi daily undulating periodization, so I have a hypertrophy day, light/technique speed day and a heavy day) when you are NOT ON GEAR, how do you adapt what jumps to make when you begin cycling, as jumps higher than 5-10 lbs are going to be possible because of the gear? Just do more weight accumulation sets until it feels "right" for the working weight?

Also, when you come OFF, how do you anticipate working set weight as your strength is declining?

Favorite strength gear/dosage that DOESN'T create nasty back pumps? I get them bad.

Also, only lifting 3-4 days/week as is common with strength/power training, should I dose orals lower on non-lifting days?

I've never focused on powerlifting specifically, so bear with me. I used to e a physique lifter.

I cycle and as a matter of fact I spend most of the year off the juice than on. I did mostly strength training my first couple years cycling and now I am more 70/30. your post isn't black and white in terms of answers but what i bolded I can tell you easily. pretty much lets say when I am doing flat bench I will warm up and then put on 2 plates on each side. and I will rip off as many as i can. that will give me a sense of how good my strength is. if i do 1 less rep than the week prior coming off the gear than i know that my top line strength will be down 5 or so pounds. its about being very in tune with your strength abilities and understanding that its okay to take a step back during that off time. thats especially true with compounds like tren which are boom/bust AAS. on it you are wrecking PR's, off of it your strength drops no doubt about it

as far as pumps thats an easy one.. get taurine. n2guard has enough in there to help greatly with pumps. pumps aren't a bad thing and you don't want to totally get rid of them.. that blood and nutrients going into the muscle is a good thing. but like you said when they get too intense they can get counter productive especially with PLers.

as far as oral doses I have been trying doing 4 on 1 off with harsher orals like winny or superdrol/beastdrol.. also i will add in an extra dose 2 hours before a heavy workout. there are plenty of strategies to try.